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Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« on: January 31, 2010, 10:41:16 am »
Hey i just recently started eating raw paleo. Unfortunately I am starting antibiotics for about a month (its not because of the diet).  Anyway would you say its still okay to eat raw paleo while on antibiotics? I feel like it might be dangerous because of my weakened immune system due to the antibiotics. Any suggestions???
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 10:51:38 am »
I'm sure most of here are going to ask what the antiB are for, and may suggest alternatives. 

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2010, 11:05:14 am »
    Why do you have to do 1 mo antib now?  I don't mean the name of the infection, or the part of the body.  I mean why now?  Like maybe, did you just now get the infection?  Is your insurance mandating now or never?  Is it something that will get worse in some way if you wait another month to do the antib and try to cure it with raw meat instead for this month?  What do you think?
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 11:57:23 am »
Every year during the winter i get dermatitis on my face. Ive tried every holistic cure in the book but cant egt rid of it without antibiotics. 1 year i decided to try to simply let it do its thing and see if it went away and it got so bad it looked like i lost half the skin on my face. This is also part of the reason i switched to raw paleo. Even though theres a chance it wont help anyway
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2010, 12:57:44 pm »
Every year during the winter i get dermatitis on my face.

    Has the dermatitis started yet this Winter?  How has your diet changed since last year?  Is this your first time doing raw paleo?  Even if you tried putting urine on it last year, if you're eating different now, your urine is different.  

    I did have a terrible infection almost a year and a half ago.  I have been prescribed antibiotics a couple of times, supposed life-or-death, not cosmetic, since I started RVAF omnivore.  I have not swallowed nor accepted one hyperdermic of antibiotic.  I took other measures.  

    I am not suffering your dermatitus, but I've had awful skin, so I know it can be physically painful AND emotionally painful, not to mention people can get scared that they think you have smallpox, leprosy or will pass it to them.  They may not let you come into the office; because they don't want your ill face to represent them.

    Is there a chance you can go without the antib?

    If you have to take it, then take it, and let us know how it goes.
    
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2010, 01:27:48 pm »
Yes its already started this year and just very recently actually started raw paleo so i knew that it was inevidable. What do you mean put urine on it???
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 01:40:01 pm »
Some kind of dermatitis on your face? No antibiotics needed.

Have you seen my website? http://www.eczemacure.info

I just recently published an article you may be interested in http://www.myhealthblog.org/2010/01/31/principles-of-natural-eczema-treatment/

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2010, 01:43:46 pm »
If you need anitbiotics then take them.  The consequences of not taking them can be pretty bad.  My kidney stone also caused a bladder infection.  If I didn't take the antibiotics I risked total kidney failure.  I chose to take the antibiotics.

Not sure why you would think that eating a paleo friendly diet would be more of an issue than any other diet.  Each antibiotic comes with its own limitations.  As an example, Cipro doesn't play nice with dairy, So, just make sure that you understand what the limitations are and then follow the recommendations for the antibiotic you are taking.

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2010, 03:42:13 pm »
 As an example, Cipro doesn't play nice with dairy, So, just make sure that you understand what the limitations are and then follow the recommendations for the antibiotic you are taking.

    Cipro doesn't play nice with vegan food either.  I've had friends with terrible reactions to that one.

    Kurite, I assumed you had already gone through amaroli:
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Ive tried every holistic cure in the book but cant egt rid of it without antibiotics. 1 year i decided to try to simply let it do its thing and see if it went away and it got so bad it looked like i lost half the skin on my face. This is also part of the reason i switched to raw paleo. Even though theres a chance it wont help anyway
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    This is a word about it:
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Urine therapy refers to any method for maintaining or improving health characterized by the external or internal application of an individual's urine to that individual. Forms of urine therapy include applying urine to the skin (e.g., by massage or clay packs), ingesting it, injecting it (e.g., urine enemas), and snuffing it. Some proponents describe human urine as a divine nectar, a nectar of immortality, or a God-given panacea.

    Aajonus' mom taught him to put it on skin for acne.  Aajonus has used it a number of times on skin as a detox from vaccines.  I know people who bathe in aged urine every day.  Take out a couple of books on it.  Occasionally aajonus writes about it to.  My grandfather taught the kids to use it on their skin to get rid of infections and prevent them.  You can run a search on AV's articles and newsletters on the WeWant2Live site.  Most books available on it are for fruitarians and vegetarians.  There are different ways for meat eaters to use it.  I'm sure paleo man didn't throw it out if the could cure an infection with it safely.  We did manage to survive the paleo era, so I assume they learned to use it pretty fast, with no doctors or pharmaceuticals.
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2010, 05:20:44 pm »
Thank you very much for all of your help. Goodsamaritin just wanted to start by saying i love the website but was wondering, are you recommending that I actually go through an entire cleanse and if so do you have a recommended cleanse product and/or just stick with raw paleo? Also my body temp is usually at 97.6 degrees fahrenheit and i saw on your website that this may have to do with body ph. Is this probable? Also what do you mean by hydrating fruits? Besides watermelon are there others?
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2010, 07:49:49 pm »
I don't recommend any specific products.  There should be equivalents in each country.  They are just principles of healing which I hope are repeatable worldwide.

Hydrating fruits are available in my country, maybe you will do well with fresh spring water or freshly alkalized water or just iced water / home distilled water with a lemon squeezed in it.  I believe many cities put fluoride in their water so you need to make sure you are getting pure water.

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2010, 08:46:47 pm »
If you need anitbiotics then take them.  The consequences of not taking them can be pretty bad.  My kidney stone also caused a bladder infection.  If I didn't take the antibiotics I risked total kidney failure.  I chose to take the antibiotics.

Not sure why you would think that eating a paleo friendly diet would be more of an issue than any other diet.  Each antibiotic comes with its own limitations.  As an example, Cipro doesn't play nice with dairy, So, just make sure that you understand what the limitations are and then follow the recommendations for the antibiotic you are taking.

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A. UTI's are usually triggered by E. Coli bacteria that travel from the anus into the

urethra and the bladder. But the germs are normally kept in check and removed by the

immune system in the bladder. When the immune system is weakened for reasons of

constipation, lymph congestion, impure blood, kidney congestion, stone or crystal

formation in the kidneys and bladder, etc., then the E. Coli bacteria can attach

themselves to the surface of bladder cells and inflame them.

Repeat infections usually occur when the person took antibiotics once. Antibiotics

should not be used for UTI's. It is better to use Pau d' Arco, olive leaf extract, MMS, or

D-Mannose sugar (which makes cells walls so slippery that the germs cannot attach

themselves to the cell membranes. The kidney cleanse would be necessary to prevent

repeat infection.


Why not try MMS???

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2010, 10:38:35 pm »
One quick suggestion if you do end up taking the antibiotics; make lots of high meat now, preferably outside the fridge so it's ready in time, and eat it throughout the course of treatment. The BIG cause of yeast overgrowth is antibiotics which wipe out good and bad bacteria indiscriminately. You need to make sure you repopulate quickly with good bacteria to maintain a healthy balance. There's nothing you could take, IMO, that would be better for this than high meat. :)

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 12:27:48 am »
 If I didn't take the antibiotics I risked total kidney failure.  I chose to take the antibiotics.
That's not true, as there are numerous natural methods re kidney infections.
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 03:35:26 am »
what is mms???
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2010, 05:35:33 am »
I recently ate some beef which had gone greenish on the outside. It smelt(or is it 'smelled'?) absolutely delicious, but when I ate it, it tasted more bland than the meat, in the same packet, which had not yet turned green. Did it turn green due to an initial lack of anti-oxidants which is also why it tasted less; or was all the good stuff going up my nose because the bacteria already used it? I also seem to remember hearing somewhere that 'we' can't get back protein from bacteria(something to do with bacteria on fruit), so will bacteria reduce the amount of available protein?
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2010, 06:29:49 am »
... It smelt(or is it 'smelled'?) absolutely delicious, but when I ate it, it tasted more bland than the meat, in the same packet, ...

    What is the packet made from?

    I think it's smelled.
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2010, 06:38:58 am »
I also seem to remember hearing somewhere that 'we' can't get back protein from bacteria(something to do with bacteria on fruit), so will bacteria reduce the amount of available protein?

No, ,it looks like it makes proteins more bio-available in meat.

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2010, 08:28:40 am »
    What is the packet made from?

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2010, 09:09:06 am »
A. UTI's are usually triggered by E. Coli bacteria that travel from the anus into the urethra and the bladder.

I asked my doctor about this and he says that it is not necessarily true - especially for males with a long urethra.  There are many internal infections including kidney, bladder, prostate, and testical, that are not caused from a direct outside source. 

Antibiotics should not be used for UTI's. It is better to use Pau d' Arco, olive leaf extract, MMS, or D-Mannose sugar (which makes cells walls so slippery that the germs cannot attach themselves to the cell membranes.

A friend of mine would disagree with this statement as he lost a kidney after trying these cures.  He says if he had it to do over again he'd take the antibiotic and keep the kidney.  Unfortunately it is too late now.  Another friend destroyed both his kidneys from using an herbal tea, (now illegal in the US), advertised as a kidney cleanse. He was dependent on dialysis 3 times per week for 10 years before he died at the age of 34. This is one of the risks with alternate cures.  Most don't work at all and some can be fatal.

Modern medicine is not perfect, but my experience with alternative and holistic cures has been even worse.  At least with the modern medications I'm told what the side effects are likely to be.

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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2010, 09:58:00 am »
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2010, 10:20:20 am »
I asked my doctor about this and he says that it is not necessarily true - especially for males with a long urethra. 

    That's what I was thinking.  Even for women, I think they can get urinary tract infections without e-coli cause or spread.

A friend of mine would disagree with this statement as he lost a kidney after trying these cures.  ....  Unfortunately it is too late now.  Another friend destroyed both his kidneys from using an herbal tea... advertised as a kidney cleanse. He was dependent on dialysis 3 times per week for 10 years before he died at the age of 34. This is one of the risks with alternate cures.  Most don't work at all and some can be fatal.

    I would agree.  Herbs cannot heal kidneys.  They may force cleanse them and actually stress them.  Even the herbs for balancing autoimmunity in the kidneys may cause too much acidity and damage.

Modern medicine is not perfect, but my experience with alternative and holistic cures has been even worse.  At least with the modern medications I'm told what the side effects are likely to be.

    Well, modern medicine has not worked for me.  They're good for removing limbs or setting bones, but the rest, the body heals itself better in my experience.  Modern antibiotics, RXed and used as directed, various with different family members, have triggered dangerous kidney reactions in my family.  We all have our own direction we're coming from.

    Yes, I say take an antibiotic in an emergency, but if it is not an emergency, quite often it is better if you can to eat raw meat, cultured and aged raw meat even better.
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Re: Antiobiotics during raw paleo?
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2012, 09:42:47 pm »
This is the same question that I was hoping to get answered. A part of me really doesn't want to take antibiotics for my new tick bite, but I know that lyme can be incredibly destructive if left untreated (I feel it now and remember it when it was worse). I can get an appointment Wednesday with a doc who will likely prescribe me abx so I have to decide quickly.

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« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2012, 09:10:22 pm »
aajonus says lyme disease isnt caused by tick bites.
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