Paleo-Libertarian Connection

[SkinnyDevil]

What is "rightwing" anarchist?

I assume you are referring to anarcho-individualism, but I doubt any right-wing folks would want to lay claim to that as a right-wing thing.

Anarcho-communalism & anarcho-individualsim are typically viewed as the opposing ends of the anarchistic spectrum.

[William]

What is "rightwing" anarchist?

King.

[TylerDurden]

What is "rightwing" anarchist?

I assume you are referring to anarcho-individualism, but I doubt any right-wing folks would want to lay claim to that as a right-wing thing.

Anarcho-communalism & anarcho-individualsim are typically viewed as the opposing ends of the anarchistic spectrum.

  Rightwing anarchism  is simply the survivalism of the fittest, a kind of rightwing individualist  anarchism.

[TylerDurden]

Well, when are we going to get our political poll?

[PaleoPhil]

Ah, I give up. It looks like it's too complicated to put into a simple poll in a way that would satisfy most people. If someone else wants to take a shot at it, feel free.

I still think that there seem to be more self-described libertarian-type folks among the Paleo diet crowd than there are in the general population, and I think the list of prominent Paleo-libertarians is a pretty good indicator of that (though it's not important enough to me to argue about it and others are of course free to hold different views). Whereas the raw vegan wing seems to have more leftwingers than the general population. Of course, one can be Paleo and leftwing or libertarian and vegan, but these seem to be less common links. Does anyone who has also noticed this have any ideas on why this might be? The folks that created the Paleo-libertarian forum apparently noticed the same correlation that I did, so maybe I'll ask them about it some day.

[cherimoya_kid]

Ah, I give up. It looks like it's too complicated to put into a simple poll in a way that would satisfy most people. If someone else wants to take a shot at it, feel free.

I still think that there seem to be more self-described libertarian-type folks among the Paleo diet crowd than there are in the general population, and I think the list of prominent Paleo-libertarians is a pretty good indicator of that (though it's not important enough to me to argue about it and others are of course free to hold different views). Whereas the raw vegan wing seems to have more leftwingers than the general population.

I don't know, but I know a LOT of very rightwing Christian raw vegans, enough so that the theory just doesn't even hold water to ANY degree.  Most raw vegans are either politically EXTREMELY left or EXTREMELY right, very little in-between.  THAT is a true fact that I've noted.   

Raw Paleo types, hmm...yeah, most are probably socially liberal.  I do know some more socially conservative ones, though, but admittedly, not many.  I don't know many Communistic ones, but there are definitely some economic conservatives.  A lot seem to be centrists, compared to the raw vegans, maybe.

[PaleoPhil]

Maybe you're right, Cherimoya. If so, we'll probably be see rightwing-vegan forums spring up and greatly outnumber the Paleo-libertarian forum, if there aren't some already. Do you know of any?

[cherimoya_kid]

Maybe you're right, Cherimoya. If so, we'll probably be see rightwing-vegan forums spring up and greatly outnumber the Paleo-libertarian forum, if there aren't some already. Do you know of any?

Well, the "Hallelujah Diet" taught by George Malkmus (which is really just a raw vegan diet with lots of carrot juice plus the occasional baked potato) is about 80-90% raw, and vegan.  That's generally practiced only by conservative Christians.  A very conservative Christian lady who lives about 20 minutes from me spontaneously went 100% raw vegan, and she has converted quite a few of her friends and church members.  She started a raw vegan potluck that attracts a lot of local raw foodist Christians.  Also, I hear that the raw vegan diet is spreading through Utah like wildfire, as they say.

I don't know if the Hallelujah Diet has any forums.  There are definitely conservative Christians that pop up on the main raw vegan forums, from time to time.  I kind of think most of the Christian raw vegans don't spend much time online in forums.  They get a lot of their sense of community and togetherness from church, I think. At least, that's my theory.

[PaleoPhil]

A "reporter for a major magazine" also noticed the Paleo-libertarian connection and is seeking people's input on why there is such a strong Paleo-diet/Libertarian connection:

Reporter for a Major Magazine Seeks the “Paleo-Libertarian Connection”
Richard Nikoley
http://freetheanimal.com/2013/03/reporter-libertarian-connection.html?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=freetheanimal

I'm in touch with a writer doing a commissioned piece for a major publication on the Paleo-Libertarian Connection. Many of us have talked about it over the years: how come Paleo is so attractive to libertarians of various stripes (minarchist to anarchist), as a group...to the general frustration and dismay of all the Paleo socialists?

I'll be linking up with him—probably in-person—soon, and he's also in contact with a few others—but that's as much as I'll say. I thought it might be cool to put the issue/question open for intelligent commentary: positive, negative or neutral.


Who knows, if it's good, you might end up being quoted in a major publication.

Here are a couple more articles making the connection:

The Disappearance of the Fat Libertarian
by Allan Stevo
http://lewrockwell.com/stevo/stevo17.1.html
There seems to be a new trend in the libertarian movement – "going paleo" is how it is commonly referenced.

A libertarian diet: How the government makes you fat.
http://thebrightlibertarian.blogspot.com/2012/07/a-libertarian-diet-how-government-makes.html

The Paleo-Libertarian Yahoo! forum that Richard N. blogged about back in 2009 is gone, but it lasted longer than a lot of Yahoo! forums and the Paleo-libertarian connection still seems to be strong.

I wonder if this thread is what caused Tyler to think I was claiming to be a libertarian? In case there's any confusion re: my initial post in this thread, by "libertarian orientation," I meant libertarian-leaning, not 100% libertarian. My views come closer to Nassim Taleb's than more libertarian folks like Ron Paul (though some libertarian purists don't accept that RP is libertarian either). Nassim did support RP's presidential campaign, so there are many similarities. I'm more libertarian-leaning than anyone I know in the real (non-Internet) world (and I coincidentally was criticized just yesterday for voting for Gary Johnson for Pres. instead of Obama in the last election), though less so than I used to be.

[cherimoya_kid]

Yeah, I feel like the lone Socialist around here, sometimes.  ROFL

[svrn]

adam kokesh eats paleo

[cherimoya_kid]

adam kokesh eats paleo

Interesting.  What's his rationale behind eating paleo?

[l0rdcha0s]

I think the reason for more paleo dieters leaning towards libertarian/anarchism is the ideologies behind the movement (at least in the states). Many other parties are more inclined to tell you what you are and aren't allowed to eat while these two allow you the freedom to choose more. While others are fighting against raw milk, healthier forms of food, no GMO labeling. These parties are more for allowing this things and giving you the freedom of choice to do what you want. After all, what you put in your mouth is none of my business.

[cherimoya_kid]

I think the reason for more paleo dieters leaning towards libertarian/anarchism is the ideologies behind the movement (at least in the states). Many other parties are more inclined to tell you what you are and aren't allowed to eat while these two allow you the freedom to choose more.

Yeah, but I got my politics before I went paleo. I admit that libertarianism is the most paleo-diet-friendly philosophy, but libertarians can be pretty unrealistic about the larger world.   There are other things in life and the world besides food.

[PaleoPhil]

adam kokesh eats paleo

Cool, thanks.

We don't have an obesity "epidemic," we have a denial epidemic!

[svrn]

Interesting.  What's his rationale behind eating paleo?

i think he got into it through bodybuilding. I think he does raw dairy as well though so not paleo but definitly very high on animal foods either way.