Tyler and CK, simply pointing to anecdotal cases where particular diseases have been suppressed though vaccination is not the main focus my concerns regarding the safety of vaccination. Though none of our individual methods of persuasion, and grammatical tact may be ideal, there is still room for us to continue to discuss our differing views like civilized Cave Men, without stooping to petty insults.
TB and malaria were naturally occurring disease which were primarily a result of poor environmental conditions. TB epidemics were from living indoors in smoke filled coal heated houses, or triggered by a combination of nutritional deficiently, and some other unknown cause. Malaria is something that occurs near stagnant water, where there may be a whole culmination of environmental factors which make one prone. A lot of those who died of it where people like imported slaves from sub-Saharan Africa who had no natural ancestral immunity, nor were they well adapted to the environment their masters forced them to live in, or the food they were forced to eat. Many colonial settlers were already on the edge of malnutrition and suffered from a number of imbalances, before trotting off to exotic places where they came down with exotic parasites such as malaria. We were not being told all the details of how the people who contracted the diseases lived in completely unnatural environments with polluted water and poor nutrition. For every story of an epidemic blamed on some microbial organism, there are countless forgotten generations of people who lived in great health in similar geographic areas, and were able to coexist with the very same microbes. I side with Be Champ and his law of the terrain over, germ theory any day
My children are not being raised in an Dickensian slum, nor are they going to live in a swamp in Borneo. TB and malaria are not much of a threat in suburbia. I try to have clean water, and provide healthy food, I let them play in the farm yard and roll in the muck, they never have had any bacterial infections and what little viral bugs go around they get over it just fine without any need for drugs. My biggest concern as a parent is not what microbe may arise from our environment naturally, it is what is being released through genetically modified viruses released in vaccination as well as the GMOs in the crops, and the myriad of pollution that is a part of modern life. The last swine flu outbreak was a genetically modified strain that was released in live virus vaccination experiments. The mother of my children was going to UK hospital for her prenatal care when it was released, we all got it, and it triggered her to go into early labor. This was before my raw paleo days and I got extremely sick, but we all recovered from it, without the help of drugs. We are entering an age where terminator genes are being imbedded into food crops, and it may not be long before genetic modifications begin to be intentionally placed into vaccines. The same people who willingly allowed cancer viruses to be permitted into vaccines are still running the show, and regardless of the potential benefits of vaccine technology , I have very little faith in the scruples of the cartels which dominate vaccine development and marketing. Call me a conspiracy theories , but I just don't trust the foundations run by billionaires who publicly call for population reduction, who have control of the WHO, FDA, CDC, AMA, and whatever other world governing bodies involved in the racket which passes for modern medicine .
In theory vaccine science seems feasible, but as we often know when ideals are put into practice the results do not always meet the expectations of the best laid plans of mice and men.
This issue of mandatory vaccines being pushed by the world government authorities is an affront to individual health freedom and liberty on many levels, the battle lines are being drawn, and I will not back down from this fight. I challenge anyone to an open debate on a point counter point basis, and we will let the witnesses decide for themselves where the truth may lie. Who will join the cause for the freedom to be a vaccine skeptic ( Are we lab mice, or are we cave men?) ( Are we live stock or are we the wild, and unbridled spirit of humanity? )
The main points being illustrated by those opposed to vaccines are willfully ignored in this debate! While the straw man tactics are employed to limit the scope of the discussion from the pro vaccine contingency, there are legitimate claims that vaccines have caused and are continuing to cause harm. It is very well possible that the original polio vaccine was contaminated, and the number of people who were adversely effected by the contaminate shots, by far out numbered the people " potentially saved from polio. Will everyone at least agree that the original polio shots where tainted and that a large percentage of people who received those shots later suffered from cancer? The scientist who worked on the vaccine admitted it for Gods sake?
I continue to insist that there must be better ways to insure the health and vitality of the human race than what the current medical industrial model is pushing, the problem is that there are already so much money and power invested in the current system that the kind of scientific research that would be needed to verify and implement alternatives will not be conducted. If people want to see change in the insane governmental health policy that is being forced upon us, then it must be initiated through the grass roots, and practiced on the small scale, by regular people.
Here is a novel ideal, why not put it to a vote? There are a number of forum members and guest who are on the sidelines that are reading what is being discussed, let us have a vote on who believes that vaccines benefits out weigh the risk, and who believes that there are potential damages which outweigh the alleged benefits of vaccination?
