Possible conversion?

[TylerDurden]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/food/article-3064116/Deliciously-Ella-build-global-blogging-brand-bedroom.html

This woman is a hyper-priviledged, ueber-wealthy  bitch who might be useful to us. Perhaps someone could e-mail her about our rpd forum and our way of life to persuade her to switch to our diet.Please inform us beforehand, so that we can delete this post soonest.

[cherimoya_kid]

Vegans are hard to reach, unless they come to us of their own accord.

[goodsamaritan]

It's worth a shot.  Just present RPD to her.  I believe Tyler, you and her are in the same country?

She will run out of animal nutrition some day.

[TylerDurden]

It's worth a shot.  Just present RPD to her.  I believe Tyler, you and her are in the same country?

She will run out of animal nutrition some day.

Err, I am no longer in the UK. I am in Austria. I suppose I was kinda hoping some UKer with a silver spoon in his/her mouth would be willing! (lol)

[cherimoya_kid]

Err, I am no longer in the UK. I am in Austria. I suppose I was kinda hoping some UKer with a silver spoon in his/her mouth would be willing! (lol)

LOL not likely that we have any.

[van]

i always find it interesting, that when you read the history of vegans ( well for that matter anyone really) they all come from really junk sugar diets.  Then they find God and decree it's cause they gave up animal products.   So again, it's just as important as to what you eat as to what you don't eat.

[goodsamaritan]

Haai is from the UK.

[JeuneKoq]

It's not gonna happen.

She's too successful with here cooked vegan lifestyle, which is on a side note more socially acceptable than RP, and the popularity of her cook book and app is ever increasing. Why would she suddenly let all of that go for a diet she knows too few are going to get interested in? I doubt she would be interested in it either. I mean, it's basically the antipodal of her current diet.

The only way this could go down is her getting into a RP diet, while still making vegan cook books that are much more popular, and marketable.

Heck, she might write a small number of raw omnivorous recipe books under a pseudonym, so she won't get bashed by her vegan(-friendly) crowd.

[TylerDurden]

I note that most of us have previously been either raw vegans and/or cooked-palaeolithic-dieters. So, it is sometimes worth posting about our diet in more mainstream venues so as to attract those who have experienced some health benefits from other diets can go rawpalaeo and improve their health further. Sabertooth is doing a good job, so far. My one and only interview ended up with me being mocked and deliberately misquoted.

[jessica]

"possibly conversion"? haha tyler what is this? it seems rather cultish, or perhaps you are just day dreaming about finding a suitable lady friend.

[TylerDurden]

"possibly conversion"? haha tyler what is this? it seems rather cultish, or perhaps you are just day dreaming about finding a suitable lady friend.

  Don't be ridiculous.  I merely mentioned the possibility as we need more gurus in the RVAF diet community now that AV has died. For some strange reason, most people need to follow a leader and cannot do things on their own. At any rate, the ones most likely to do our diet and stick to it are those who have either wholly or partially failed on all other diets as regards awful health problems.

[goodsamaritan]

I thought you were our fearless leader?

Let's talk about your lady friends too.

[TylerDurden]

I thought you were our fearless leader?

Let's talk about your lady friends too.

I am not a leader, I am a rogue male, not remotely  interested in leadership. You are our leader, practically speaking, given your technological expertise. Without me, this forum could easily go on, without you, I doubt some other RPD  techno-expert,  since CB left, would spend part of his time maintaining this website.

Anyway, pity we do not have any RVAF diet gurus out there. I like the eccentricity of this diet but I do admit some things would become a lot easier for me if we had as many RVAF diet members in the world as there are raw vegans. Unfortunately, people are so gullible, they almost universally believe in the supposed "deadliness" of raw animal foods.

[jessica]

i just didnt see anything remotely compelling or attractive about the woman in the article and cant imagine why you would want such a character to "represent" this way of living.  its an interesting paradigm that people who seek out this diet are generally very independent minded and the diet itself SHOULD lead to a more individualistic and instinctive approach to a personalized diet and lifestyle, thats something very difficult to gurutise.

[TylerDurden]

i just didnt see anything remotely compelling or attractive about the woman in the article and cant imagine why you would want such a character to "represent" this way of living.  its an interesting paradigm that people who seek out this diet are generally very independent minded and the diet itself SHOULD lead to a more individualistic and instinctive approach to a personalized diet and lifestyle, thats something very difficult to gurutise.

You are quite right. That should be the ideal. It is also necessary, as we, unlike most other diets, openly acknowledge that what RPD variation works for one person is unlikely to work for another person. Simply because , peoples' bodies are wholly different from each others and their health situations entirely different, and so on. All that said, MOST people are followers, not innovators or self-guided types, so the former need a guru to help them along a bit until they eventually have to acknowledge the fact that they have to listen to their own instincts/bodies etc.

When I first started going RVAF, I used to come across a multitude of people who kept on asking what Aajonus or Weston-Price or Sally Fallon recommended. I would constantly ridicule some of the more absurd statements made by the various raw gurus,, only to be openly denounced(by some of the members of this board of forums, among many others). In the end, I realised that many people need a leader so that they can follow a well-defined path on their way to glory etc.!

As regards the woman I cited, I can think of half a dozen reasons as to why not only I but most others would avoid her like the plague. I was just thinking of Carol Alt, the supermodel, who managed to start a RVAF diet of sorts based on her celebrity and success.

[sabertooth]

Its obvious that the woman was suffering from eating the wrong foods and taking drugs.... once she gave up the ice cream and steroids her health improved even on a nutrient poor vegetarian diet...of course she has only been vegetarian for 4 years,  so we may assume she would be soon reaching the point where her body tissues will become depleted of animal derived nutrition.

I think it would be beneficial to contact her and at least try to open up a dialogue, even if there is a good chance that we will be ignored. There is still a chance that she may begin to notice issues with her own health in the near future which would lead her to us, if only she was aware of our existence.

Whats her contact info, I'll send her an open ended message regarding the paleo diet?

I still contend that there is a global conspiracy to suppress Raf by the media at large, while at the same time giving blind support to vegetarianism. We here nothing about the problems with malnourished vegetarians in the mainstream, yet I see droves of frail and feeble vegetarians within my own community.

As for becoming a guru, I gave it some serious consideration, and tried to break out onto the world stage, but it seems like my efforts have been largely ignored, and I have been blacklisted from American television. I even tried to contact other gurus like Vitalis, and Gary Taubes without any luck. Ive tried to contact the max plank institute, and other research organizations without response.

My time is limited, I do not have three hours a day to devote to the cause.... I am busy raising 5 children, caring for my women folk,  becoming food sovereign and working multiple jobs. The post on this forum are my primary testament to the world.

[cherimoya_kid]

In a way, the unique thing about this forum is its refusal to follow a particular guru. I humbly submit that we, as a group, are more valuable than any guru. I'm certainly grateful for GCB and Aajonus (and Weston Price, and even the better raw vegan gurus), but we are much more useful when we steal the useful knowledge from ALL of them, and ignore the stuff they get wrong.

[PaleoPhil]

In a way, the unique thing about this forum is its refusal to follow a particular guru. I humbly submit that we, as a group, are more valuable than any guru. I'm certainly grateful for GCB and Aajonus (and Weston Price, and even the better raw vegan gurus), but we are much more useful when we steal the useful knowledge from ALL of them, and ignore the stuff they get wrong.

Well put.

[goodsamaritan]

In a way, the unique thing about this forum is its refusal to follow a particular guru. I humbly submit that we, as a group, are more valuable than any guru. I'm certainly grateful for GCB and Aajonus (and Weston Price, and even the better raw vegan gurus), but we are much more useful when we steal the useful knowledge from ALL of them, and ignore the stuff they get wrong.

I would like to add Iguana.  He keeps the flame of instincto alive and well in this forum!

How about those on raw zero carb?  Used to be popular here.

[JeuneKoq]

I think guides and gurus are quite necessary to successfully get into a certain diet while avoiding doing the same mistakes these people already dealt with, and being able to follow a certain guideline, at least for some time.

If you need a master to learn kung-fu, if you need a coach to learn proper running form, then it makes sense to follow someone who has experience and knowledge on a particular diet.

Afterwards, you can do like Bruce Lee did with kung-fu and improve what you feel needs improvement in your current diet's guidelines, or correct the flaws you have encountered.

Of course there are some who figure their own diet out by themselves, and who might as well become precursors of their own dietary movement (GCB and AV are of those people), but they will also have to be the ones to face all of the beginner's obstacles.

[TylerDurden]

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[TylerDurden]

NB:- I was unable to post any messages earlier this morning, just kept stating that my message had timed out or something.

[goodsamaritan]

There was a hosting bug.  now fixed.