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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2015, 01:49:34 pm »
Isn't that an oversimplification of the role of the president?

From what I've been reading, the past presidents of the USA have done wonderfully in outsourcing almost everything.

I can't complain, a lot of Filipinos today are doing the office jobs Americans used to do.
The factory jobs are now in China and Mexico.
What are the Americans who used to do those jobs do now? 

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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2015, 04:18:13 pm »
I wish I had the courage to expose all of my ill founded or poorly conceived beliefs all over forum threads on the internet. I think I have a lot of good ideas (not of my innovation) that might even be able to help a lot of people, but I know that I won't get taken seriously.

No I don't feel personally guilty for anyone in this country, except a little bit for Native Americans, however I fucking hate white fascist pigs. I am not a self racist because I do not identify with those who lack humanity and common sense.

IQ test doesn't really mean much and who gives a fuck anyways, no body deserves the world more than anybody else.

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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2015, 09:27:13 pm »
From what I've been reading, the past presidents of the USA have done wonderfully in outsourcing almost everything.

I can't complain, a lot of Filipinos today are doing the office jobs Americans used to do.
The factory jobs are now in China and Mexico.
What are the Americans who used to do those jobs do now? 

If you were interested, you could study the shift from agricultural jobs to service-sector jobs to info-tech jobs over the last 150+ years in the U.S. I'm in the service sector, doing a job that didn't even exist until the late 20th Century. When I say shift, I do not mean elimination, as you imply; we do not lack factories or factory workers in the U.S.

Not only does the U.S. outsource; within the U.S., we use our "foreigners" (voluntary immigrants, if you study John Ogbu) to do both agricultural and service-sector jobs, and we have an "elite" class of voluntary immigrants in the info-tech sector. Outsourcing (of work or workers) was neither invented nor implemented by our chief executive, but by our business sector. The government gets involved in international business practices whenever there is a need or a chance to define international alliances.

You strike me as an intelligent man, GS. Perhaps your information sources are betraying you by feeding you half-truths and faulty assumptions.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #53 on: July 19, 2015, 09:36:42 pm »
Eve, thanks for having the patience to discuss.  This I believe is why we have a forum. To learn from each other.

So I gather with this shift in the kinds of jobs in the usa, there is no unemployment or underemployment problem?

Or maybe welfare and ebt cards fill the gap and most are happy?
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #54 on: July 19, 2015, 10:24:26 pm »
So I gather with this shift in the kinds of jobs in the usa, there is no unemployment or underemployment problem?

Or maybe welfare and ebt cards fill the gap and most are happy?

That's what I mean, GS. How could you possibly believe the broad generalizations that you write, except by an extreme lack of research? Maybe you need to stop reading the pundits and start reading history and economics.

Like every national economy, we have our ups and downs. Overall, we have less unemployment than we did a few years back, but that is moderated by a shift in reporting (some people ran out of unemployment benefits, some stopped looking for work, etc.) and a large disparity in our so-called inner-city sector (where unemployment can run upwards of 25%, even in the good years).

Just as the Philippines has an outpouring of educated workers pushing into the U.S. who tell me that "the Philippines is a violent place where women are kidnapped in broad daylight and forced into prostitution, and where certain social classes have no work opportunities but to be someone else's maid," I know better than to believe that their truth is absolute truth for all of the Philippines. That's not to say that these immigrants are lying. There is more than one side to every story. But that does not give me the right to generalize that all Philippine women get murdered in the streets or kidnapped and forced into prostitution.

I know, that sounds bizarre, but so do your broad statements about the U.S. I get the impression that the U.S. is bigger but less powerful than you think. Where you want to see good guys and bad guys, there are really just regular ol' guys.

Oh, and back to Trump - if he does get elected, he'll only be in office for 8 years, maximum. U.S. politics is best watched from a safe distance and enjoyed, if possible.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2015, 11:01:11 pm »
Damn. I heard that.

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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2015, 01:48:56 am »
When I read the word POTUS, I immediately got the vision of some long ago Roman emperor.... The word did not always have a negative connotation, and should be view much differently than dictator. The emperors of Romes hay day had the most difficult task of placating the aristocracy while at the same time portraying themselves as the champion of a proud people. I see very little difference in the role of POTUS and that of an emperor, in many cases both are merely a figurehead controlled by the aristocracy, which is now called the 1%. Look back at the procession of presidents, and you are seeing the history of roman imperialism taken to the next level.

Within the imperial system, occasionally a true champion of the people will rise up and challenge the inequality of the system, and with the love of the people behind them, they are able to successfully take on the Aristocracy( at least until they are "taken out"  as were J. Caesar or JFK)

If trump is truly putting himself out there to be the peoples champion, and is willing to take his screw you money and turn his back on the criminal empire and its crony capitalism, which he has been apart of, then that would earn him some respect as a legitimate contender.

This is all optimistic speculative banter..... but perhaps Trump is reaching the point in life where the gold and jewels no longer are enough, and he is in the early stages of developing a case of the messiah complex, and out of a craving for the love and admiration of the world he is beginning to devote himself to a cause greater than his own ego...
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2015, 02:15:29 am »
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Today's Huffington Post News: A Note About Our Coverage Of Donald Trump's 'Campaign'

reported by Ryan Grim, Washington bureau chief for The Huffington Post, and Danny Shea, Editorial Director, The Huffington Post

Posted: 07/17/2015

After watching and listening to Donald Trump since he announced his candidacy for president, we have decided we won't report on Trump's campaign as part of The Huffington Post's political coverage. Instead, we will cover his campaign as part of our Entertainment section. Our reason is simple: Trump's campaign is a sideshow. We won't take the bait. If you are interested in what The Donald has to say, you'll find it next to our stories on the Kardashians and The Bachelorette.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2015, 02:24:58 am »
There is no biased reporting at Arianna Huffingtons post..... 

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/07/18/trump-bashes-arianna-huffington-as-liberal-clown/
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2015, 03:45:48 am »
Trump has an enormous amount of support. If he didn't, naysayers wouldn't put so much effort into slandering him and his supporters.

His talking points are unstoppable, and he's the only one advocating for the people who provide substance to the country.

Here's another recent talk from Las Vegas. He's a winner, embarrassing opponents, and I'm loving every moment of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXjz3qLufv8
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2015, 04:43:35 am »
Isnt being protectionist good?

Give Americans jobs?

No, protectionism, like all other forms of socialism, is very destructive to the economy.

Argentina is one of the most protectionist countries in the world right now. And the economy is in shatters; while not entirely because of it, that is certainly a large part of the reason why.

When you restrict the free flow of goods and/or capital, the results are a reduced availability of goods and capital investment. The price of goods goes up and the quality goes down, if they are available at all. Capital investment is reduced and as a result productivity suffers, and workers find it harder to get a job, and when they do, it's a lower quality job that pays less. Protectionism makes just about everybody less wealthy in the country implementing the protectionist policies. A few isolated businesses and workers (and of course politicians) may profit from it, however, and these are generally the ones pushing for it politically. For instance, if you own the only shoe making factory in a country, and you convince politicians to make it illegal to import shoes from other countries, or to slap gigantic tariffs on them, then obviously you are able to sell the shoes you produce at a higher price, and capture a larger percentage of the local market, without having to improve the quality, in fact you can reduce costs by sacrificing quality, because the people in that country basically have no choice but to buy your low-quality, overpriced shoes.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2015, 05:01:54 am »
Like every national economy, we have our ups and downs. Overall, we have less unemployment than we did a few years back, but that is moderated by a shift in reporting (some people ran out of unemployment benefits, some stopped looking for work, etc.) and a large disparity in our so-called inner-city sector (where unemployment can run upwards of 25%, even in the good years).

Yeah, the US labor force participation rate is down to 62.7%, the lowest level since 1977. And back then, most women did not have to work if they didn't want to. Consider that.

Also, most of the jobs that have been created over the so-called recovery since the financial crisis are service sector, they are jobs based on consumption based on an unsustainable level of debt fueled by the Central Bank's moneyprinting on steroids. (Yes, despite what you may hear from leftists and from politicians, the Federal Reserve is just another Central Bank like any other, it's a branch of the State and not "private" or "independent" in any way. And they all do the same thing, which is basically to tax the population covertly through inflation, it's just that different central banks do this to different degrees, and they create larger or smaller boom and bust cycles by doing it, too)

And finally, since Obamacare was instated, the situation got even worse because it requires businesses with more than 50 full-time employees to pay huge additional taxes, or "contributions" as I think they call them. Because of this, many businesses have been firing full time workers and replacing each with two part-time workers instead. But as far as the employment figures go, if two people find a new 20hs a week job, and one person has just lost a 40hs a week job, the economy just gained a new job. And of course, the part-time employed are not counted as being unemployed even if they would rather be working full-time, so the unemployment figures appear to go down on paper.

The whole thing is a mirage, and it's gonna be rather spectacular when the bubble pops. (I mean spectacular in the sense that people won't believe what's happening, not that it will be good)
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2015, 07:04:35 am »
Because of this, many businesses have been firing full time workers and replacing each with two part-time workers instead. But as far as the employment figures go, if two people find a new 20hs a week job, and one person has just lost a 40hs a week job, the economy just gained a new job. And of course, the part-time employed are not counted as being unemployed even if they would rather be working full-time, so the unemployment figures appear to go down on paper.

... a-n-d part-time workers do not need to be paid benefits. As a full-time worker, I am paid again 25% of my wages in additional benefits, including retirement contributions and full health insurance. If I work more than 40 hours per week as overtime, I get paid at 1.5 my hourly rate. In contrast, the four half-time positions that my company just posted do not include benefits for the same work I do. Read it again: four positions, or the equivalent of two full-time people, will save my employer from paying benefits and overtime to those workers.

Curiously, my company is constantly understaffed; even in a poor economy, it's hard to find workers who are both qualified and willing to work here. That is another factor that has to be figured in to unemployment figures - prima donna job-seekers who want their ideal job or no job at all. This includes older displaced workers who want to earn what they earned in their prime and recent graduates who reckon that their 4-year degree qualifies them to start at the top.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2015, 07:20:55 am »
Prima Donna? You're better off waiting for a real job to come along, or at least one with advancement opportunity, instead of taking a dead-end low-wage job, in many cases. I'm not saying it's black and white, but those are the facts.

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« Reply #64 on: July 20, 2015, 07:48:04 am »
Prima Donna? You're better off waiting for a real job to come along, or at least one with advancement opportunity, instead of taking a dead-end low-wage job, in many cases. I'm not saying it's black and white, but those are the facts.

I am talking about real jobs with advancement opportunities, jobs where you can learn about the business, demonstrate your worth, and then get promoted. Many goal-less students get their degree in sociology or comparative religions and flash their diploma as if it were the Golden Key to management. Then, they move back home to mom and dad's and get high every day, waiting for someone to worship them with a high-paying job.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #65 on: July 20, 2015, 08:08:36 am »
The old model of employment is becoming obsolete, there are massive changes coming down the pipeline, if people of the world would join together we could completely remake our worlds economy and how wealth is distributed. 

Switzerland is going to vote on a basic income plan in 2016 to replace the current welfare system, and many trial runs have proved that when people have their basic needs, and are not under deprivation, then they will not submit to exploitative wage labor, and instead seek out more fulfilling and meaningful ways to contribute to society.
 
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #66 on: July 20, 2015, 08:13:23 am »
https://youtu.be/6Jnjco2agZE

Check out Trump.
No apologies.
Bringing out issues:

Incompetent handling of war veterans needs.
Incompetent handling of illegal immigration.

I like Trump because he says what needs to be said.

Tears down the political correctness censorship. 

Entertaining.  To see an aspiring leader who is not controlled by the powers that be.  As Sabertooth called it, Trump may be in the same league as JFK and Julius Ceasar. He needs to watch out.

I would be surprised if later on he calls out the Federal Reserve like Ron Paul.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #67 on: July 20, 2015, 08:26:33 am »
I am talking about real jobs with advancement opportunities, jobs where you can learn about the business, demonstrate your worth, and then get promoted. Many goal-less students get their degree in sociology or comparative religions and flash their diploma as if it were the Golden Key to management. Then, they move back home to mom and dad's and get high every day, waiting for someone to worship them with a high-paying job.

Yeah, things have changed. The unemployment rate among recent college grads is way higher than when you were young. Many of the jobs available really don't have any job security, advancement potential, etc.. And for you to judge an entire generation is stupid. I hope I don't start doing that at some point.

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« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2015, 08:50:54 am »
... a-n-d part-time workers do not need to be paid benefits. As a full-time worker, I am paid again 25% of my wages in additional benefits, including retirement contributions and full health insurance. If I work more than 40 hours per week as overtime, I get paid at 1.5 my hourly rate. In contrast, the four half-time positions that my company just posted do not include benefits for the same work I do. Read it again: four positions, or the equivalent of two full-time people, will save my employer from paying benefits and overtime to those workers.

Well there should be no such thing as benefits, they are a distortion on the market created by the State's meddling. The first thing to realize is that if you get benefits, they are coming out of your wages. Because your employer calculates the cost of those benefits when they decide to employ you. And it would be the same for them to pay that amount of money to you directly, or to pay it in benefits. Hence they offer you a lower wage with the benefits. Many people would prefer to be paid the extra money instead, but because of State intervention and meddling, that's either illegal or inconvenient in many cases.

Many of these benefits are simply tax loopholes, because the State charges taxes on your salary/wages, but not on things like health insurance or 401k contributions. However, things are not so simple. Health insurance is also a subsidy for the medical industry, and it is also a means of keeping people sick and dependent, and addicted to medical drugs. I'm guessing most people in this forum who live in the US would rather not have medical insurance, and have the extra money instead. The 401k and other retirement plans are problematic because they restrict your options as far as investment opportunities, but they are a benefit in that you only pay taxes on that money when you withdraw it, and not year to year as you're making it, meaning if your investment plan yields a profit that compounds over the years, the final number will be much larger than if you had to pay the tax on that year to year. But of course, there's always the possibility that when social security is finally recognized as being broke, they will simply expropriate private retirement accounts and use that to fund social security for the masses. They've done that in Argentina twice, and while I'm not saying they will do it for sure in the US, it's a possibility. Or perhaps they could simply increase taxes to 90% and so you really only get 10% of the money in your retirement account when you try to spend it.

It would be much better to remove these loopholes and mandated insurance/contributions, and simply reduce (or better yet, eliminate) the taxes associated with labor. Part of the reason why health care is so expensive in the US is because it's mandatory to pay for it. That guarantees the health insurance agencies (or the State, with the public option) a lot of customers without having to offer them a good service for a good price. Social security was always and in every country introduced by politicians who believed that the masses were too stupid to be trusted to save for their own retirement, so the government would do it for them. And in every case, these State-mandated retirement systems have gone bust as the State spends more than they take in, and because of inflation wiping away the value of the contributions over the years. So nowadays in all of the world the situation is such that social security acts simply as a tax on the working population, that is used to finance the payments to the retired.

Curiously, my company is constantly understaffed; even in a poor economy, it's hard to find workers who are both qualified and willing to work here. That is another factor that has to be figured in to unemployment figures - prima donna job-seekers who want their ideal job or no job at all. This includes older displaced workers who want to earn what they earned in their prime and recent graduates who reckon that their 4-year degree qualifies them to start at the top.

Well the State is offering huge unemployment benefits, food stamps, and other freebies to encourage people not to work. Of course, the "freebies" aren't really free, the State must tax the productive class in order to subsidize the unproductive. Also, all of these distortions in the labor market make it so that businesses would rather not have to hire more people, even if they would otherwise benefit from doing so. They'd rather be understaffed than being overstaffed and having to deal with the uncertainty of the situation.

And I didn't even get into the crazy laws regarding "worker's rights", where apparently just because someone is an employer, they've lost all their rights, and just because someone is a worker, it means they have the "right" to rob their employers blind. Discrimination lawsuits and "wrongful termination" are particularly insane and destructive. Hiring someone is always a risk, but when the State makes it illegal to fire them, and makes it so that they can sue you at whim for no reason at all and take you for all you're worth, it's an unreasonable risk. At that point it's better to try your best to avoid having to hire people.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #69 on: July 20, 2015, 10:12:14 am »
https://youtu.be/6Jnjco2agZE

Check out Trump.
No apologies.
Bringing out issues:

Incompetent handling of war veterans needs.
Incompetent handling of illegal immigration.

I like Trump because he says what needs to be said.

Hah! That was great. Notice how they all try to play out this fantasy of "Trump is finished."

"You have to get out of the race, the race is over for you." When the audience clearly loved it.

That video is a rich example of how these talking heads deliberately work to hypnotize people into believing their nonsense. Just watch the way they talk throughout this reel. All he had to do was stand his ground and apart fell their illusion. This is only going to help him grow support. McCain is not supported by veterans, they gave Trump a standing ovation. Multiple veterans groups have already issued statements in support.

The powers that be are terrified. He's tearing their puppets into pieces.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #70 on: July 20, 2015, 10:42:02 am »
Hah! That was great. Notice how they all try to play out this fantasy of "Trump is finished."

"You have to get out of the race, the race is over for you." When the audience clearly loved it.

That video is a rich example of how these talking heads deliberately work to hypnotize people into believing their nonsense. Just watch the way they talk throughout this reel. All he had to do was stand his ground and apart fell their illusion. This is only going to help him grow support. McCain is not supported by veterans, they gave Trump a standing ovation. Multiple veterans groups have already issued statements in support.

The powers that be are terrified. He's tearing their puppets into pieces.

The technique of these talking heads and editorial opinions is to put words in Trump's mouth.

They are banking on the lazy viewers to not actually view Trump's full speaking engagement to see the full context of what he said.

In Trump's first foray... they accused him of being RACIST against Mexicans... when Trump's real beef is with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

In this 2nd foray... they accuse Trump of being against VETERANS or belittling captured VETERANS as if John Mc Cain was supposed to be some untouchable HERO.  When actually Trump's real beef is with the treatment of VETERANS as 3rd class citizens owing to bumbling execution of benefits.

For short clarity, see Trump's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

Or Facebook https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump

Or his website https://www.donaldjtrump.com/

Straight from the horse's mouth.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #71 on: July 20, 2015, 10:49:20 am »
You don't mock John McCain's war record. That's like mocking a concentration camp victim. Trump's ego is too big for him to realize that he destroyed his candidacy with that comment. McCain really is a hero. He's a dangerous warmonger, but he suffered badly while a POW in Vietnam.

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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #72 on: July 20, 2015, 10:53:31 am »
You don't mock John McCain's war record. That's like mocking a concentration camp victim. Trump's ego is too big for him to realize that he destroyed his candidacy with that comment. McCain really is a hero. He's a dangerous warmonger, but he suffered badly while a POW in Vietnam.

This is exactly what the talking heads want people to think with their "sound bites".
But that is not what Trump was saying.
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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #73 on: July 20, 2015, 11:52:29 am »
The only reason we know about John McCain is because his father, an Admiral in the Navy, was a good and powerful man.

The John McCain we know has not lived up to his father's name. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFM1xqqTX_g

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Re: Donald Trump for President of the USA
« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2015, 06:07:17 am »
McCain is a traitor, and being shot down in a proxy war does not make him a hero.

Once his captors found out his father was an admiral he was given the royal treatment. He could of went home, but decided to stay jailed in order to gain street cred for his future political aspirations. While the children of Americas poor were left to rot in poor conditions, he was given special treatment. He even lied about being beat up after being captured, his injuries were a result of the crash and not enemy torture. He is a true Fake, and its a shame that so many people still don't see it.

McCain was the manchurian ringer candidate who was put in to lose against Obama, and now he is being used to polarize and divide any opposition to the imperial power structure.
 
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