Live to 150 but give up sex etc.

[TylerDurden]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3264341/How-live-till-150-JANE-FRYER-meets-eccentric-scientist-thinks-s-secret-Just-one-problem-ll-sex.html

[cherimoya_kid]

Rofl that's a good article. Geoff, do you have any thoughts?

[goodsamaritan]

I read the article.  He is currently only 36.

This guy is full of BULL SHIT.

Here is the real thing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen

This man wrote a book, is a 2nd generation health nut and 110 yrs old in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAvTTGDSUQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAvTTGDSUQ

So what's Bernardo LaPallo's secret? Five foods: garlic, honey, cinnamon, chocolate and olive oil.

[Ioanna]

No red meat 

[TylerDurden]

The (first)guy is as crazy as Kurzweil in his consuming endless drugs and supplements. The sort of guy who believes in the current mainstream dietary dogma.

There is a possible point here, though. Think about it. There are many species in Nature which die very soon after mating(for males) or soon after giving birth(for females), which makes sense. If a being produces tons of offspring on a single occasion, then, since nature is all about passing on one's genes, their future lifespan after that  is irrelevant. Theoretically therefore, those who either never ejaculate even once or  have children much later in life will live longer lives.

Ah, here is some evidence:-

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/singletons/201407/good-news-older-mothers-you-may-live-longer

The catch is, though, that children of much older mothers live much shorter lives:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-392506/Babies-younger-mothers-twice-chance-living-100.html
So, er,  if you want to live longer, have children when you are an ancient gravedodger, and Nature will ensure you live longer so you can take care of your offspring.

Basically, the mesage as usual is :- "give up on life's pleasures when you are young  in order to have a long pleasant old age". Now my late older brother's philosophy of "live fast, die young" seems so much more attractive, by comparison.

[goodsamaritan]

No red meat 

Bernardo LaPallo (114 today) said that his father told him not to eat red meat (especially processed ones)... except lamb.  Lamb his father said was good. Bernardo in another interview said he ate fish 2x a week.

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116 yr old lady says BACON is her key to longevity!  And chewing gum.

http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/susannah-mushatt-jones-116-bacon-longevity/2015/10/07/id/695114/

[TylerDurden]

Maybe his father had always cooked lamb rather rare, not well done, unlike other meats.

[goodsamaritan]

Not having sex, giving up sex, not reproducing, not having children, contraception, abortion... is all just part of the depopulation agenda.
The only ones buying this crap are the white non-muslim Europeans.
And we can see now that their eventual disappearance at Fertility Rates of 1.5 and below, ushers in the Muslim / Middle eastern / African take over of Europe... taking advantage of a welfare system.

I can understand where White Europeans or their cousins across the oceans buy into this no relationships crap, it is because your men are living under the tyranny of government backed feminism.
The migrant muslim / middle eastern / africans do not buy into feminism.

You will not see Chinese elderly men ever agreeing to no sex.

I know for a fact that old Chinese proverbs and jokes in my country says old Chinese men need to have sex with teenage women as their youthful energy is passed on to the older men.

An elderly Chinese man or Filipino man with a bit of money will have at least one young lady on call as a sugar baby from time to time, if he can't have sexual intercourse at his advanced age, merely for some  sexual company, hugging or touching is enough for him. 

My healer friend Vander uses the offer of reviving sexual stimulation in his sick men patients as a CARROT to encourage them to get well, it works... I've adopted the same to men I've helped heal.

We healers here observe catholic priests have illnesses that are prostate related... due to lack of sex... this 36 yr old no sex for longevity guy may suffer from a prostate problem eventually.

[TylerDurden]

China until recently had the 1 child policy. With pollution now a serious danger in China it is going to get worse. Iran is struggling to have more children despite its government suddenly wanting to be like you. The middle-east is also dropping in birth-rate on a gradual level and the japanese and koreans are  dropping in birth-rate  a vast amount.Oh, and watch out, Africans are predicted to far outbreed the Filipinos in the next century or so.

One of the interesting things about past civilisations was how prone they were to mass epidemics which, in most cases,  ultimately wiped them out simply because they clustered too closely together in vast mega-cities(such as ancient rome with its 4 million people). The spanish flu wiped out more than the total  WWI casualties, as I recall(?). The point being that mass epidemics were very rare in the palaeolithic era as tribes did not clump together and hardly met at all. Ah, well all we need now is a new (incurable) ebola and I can have back the green, pleasant fields of england once again.

GS, I suggest you read the book "make room! make room!" by harry harrison, all about the miseries of a future earth swamped by overpopulation. It portrays what life would really be like in such a nightmare.

[goodsamaritan]

No no no.  The topic is just longevity.

Let's not get into the population control drivel again.

And male longevity is connected to continuous moderate sexual activity until very old age... NOT in celibacy.

[TylerDurden]

No no no.  The topic is just longevity.

Let's not get into the population control drivel again.

And male longevity is connected to continuous moderate sexual activity until very old age... NOT in celibacy.

Like I said,the evidence is both for and against. For example, a number of centenarians have stated that no sex was one of the reasons for their living longer:-
http://aplus.com/a/advice-from-centenarians-on-longevity

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075289/No-sex-secret-long-life-says-105-year-old-Clara-Britains-oldest-virgin.html

http://www.israel21c.org/cut-out-sex-to-live-long-life/

Oh, yes, this brings up the point that castrated men live longer(a bit drastic, though):-

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/life-without-sex-it-just-seems-longer-1262927.html

Hmm, other future alternatives for longevity  include hibernating part of the year like some animals. Well, that would not really involve living longer per se as one  quarter of the year you would be effectively comatose unable to do anything, but it would be a great idea for those wanting to reach the future as quickly as possible on a chronological level.

https://marioriveira.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/buddhist-monks-and-their-quality-of-life/

While there is of course plenty of evidence both for and against, I think the definitive evidence is that the later you leave it to start reproducing, the longer you will live:-

http://discovermagazine.com/2001/may/breakdialogue

[goodsamaritan]

The age at which people have the urge to reproduce is I observe more likely genetic.

Just as the age of menarch of woman varies via genetics.

Taoists have this thing about holding semen and not wasting it... but they do not go to the extent of saying do not use it at all.

For those who did not click the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Ching-Yuen

This guy was either 190+ or 250+

he had 23 wives in his long life and had some 180-200 descendants... as of their recent count... note descendants could either be children or grand children or further.

As for serious doubters... just the usual establishment gerontology as mentioned in the recent update of this wiki... I'd rather believe the Chinese records as their civilization is far older.

It's no big deal if a couple of outlying 150+ people are found to be true.

What is important is this guy contributed his knowledge:

Li's answer to the secret of a long life:[11]

- Tranquil mind
- Sit like a tortoise
- Walk sprightly like a pigeon
- Sleep like a dog

He was an accomplished herbalist / health nut and a military / martial arts consultant and of course father to many children... women loved him, he had stable finances.  And did you catch that he was 7 feet tall?  Must have had different genetics as well.

It would be interesting if we could trace his descendants and see how they fared.

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The original article with the 36 year old nut in short is rubbish.  At 36 years old he is of no authority to speak about longevity or giving himself as an example.  Let's have the plethora of 90+ and 100+ people speak up, write books and give interviews instead.

[goodsamaritan]

http://www.israel21c.org/cut-out-sex-to-live-long-life/

REPTILES being studied here do not count in my book.  Reptiles are far far different creatures to human beings.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/life-without-sex-it-just-seems-longer-1262927.html

This article carries no weight in this discussion other than some hyper sexually active human males die young... yet some live long.  The life without sex assertion studied are not human.

https://marioriveira.wordpress.com/2013/04/14/buddhist-monks-and-their-quality-of-life/

Being a monk is not necessarily a life time.  A lot of people go in and out of "monking" years at a time.  At least that is what my good friend and healer Sifu Jen Sam said.  He was a monk for several years and later on left to pursue his healing and having women and children... and boy did he have his share of women... he thinks later on he might become a monk again.

Calorie restriction, not over eating, less stress, clean air, meditation, disciplines of martial arts, all good stuff.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075289/No-sex-secret-long-life-says-105-year-old-Clara-Britains-oldest-virgin.html

This lady said:

"People have asked whether I am a homosexual and the answer is no. I have just never been interested in or fancied having sex."

It's not like she chose to not have sex to have a long life, she just did not have the instinct for sex.  And at 105, that's not extraordinary yet.

My great grand parents on my paternal grand mother's side had lived 105 and 107 and they had 16 children... just one woman.

My great grand father on my paternal grand father's side had 14 children and he lived to 114.

What I can learn from my paternal great grand parents is they lived provincial lives... clean air, clean food.

In contrast, my great grand parents on my mother side had shorter lives (86, 50+, 70+)... and far less children per woman... (6-9) being urban folk in old Manila.