Sea-breeze ain't what it used to be

[sabertooth]

Talk about an inconvenient truth, where is Al Gore when we need him.... The Inconvenient truth is that it is very well likely that there is no one singular cause for any number of conditions which lead to ill health and genetic damage, the conditions which lead life away from holistic balance and unity with nature are multifaceted.

There is a much larger structural establishment driven incentive for the denial of the damage of electromagnetic pollution than there is for other issues in the health community such as petrochemical and agricultural pollution. Its obvious with the preliminary animal studies that there is great cause for concern for all these issues, yet the only way to guarantee 100% safety would be to put a stop to the juggernauts of industry which control the electrical, agricultural, and fossil fuel policies which dictate to the people of the world the type of environment that they will have to live in if they want to participate within modern 1st world society.

There are prominent luminaries of our time grandstanding for clean air and clean food, while living inside a metropolis beaming with EMF pollution...people who wouldn't eat anything GMO, but think nothing of spending hours a day using their smart phones and living in an ocean of electromagnetic chaos....

In the state of affairs today we have no idea exactly what is responsible for all the disease and genetic abnormalities that has exploded since the electronic revolution. Even if it was proven 100% tomorrow that it was all scientific fact.... pollution from fossil fuels, conventional agriculture, and EMFs are all equally to blame for causing adverse health effects in the majority of people alive today...NOTHING would be do to change anything in any significant way.... The industry would find ways to discredit the truth...deny deny deny.....and it would be business as usual, and whatever collateral damage to life on this planet would just be written off as the price of doing business...then tossed down the memory hole.

The trouble is that everything regarding the causative factors of the modern epidemic of Genetic entropy and degenerative disease runs tandem. The same technology which makes it possible for GMO is responsible for smart phones, so trying to divide causation of adverse effects scientifically is not realistic....it is nearly impossible for science to isolate properly established control groups to test their theories without interference from other seperate but somehow related co-factors.

This inability to ascertain the causative agents within the quantum soup of emerging factors leaves those truly concerned.... with the only rational option to try and limit ones own exposure as much as possible..... to all of it. Dont live in the mega cities with its smog, fluoridated chlorinated water....Dont eat GMO foods from the mega stores... don't choose to live under power lines, next to cell towers, limit your exposure within reason as much as possible.

[JeuneKoq]

*sigh* EMF is NOT microwaves. Fucking learn the difference.

Yes they are?:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

Microwaves are a form of electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths ranging from one meter to one millimeter; with frequencies between 300 MHz (100 cm) and 300 GHz (0.1 cm).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_field#Health_and_safety

The potential effects of electromagnetic fields on human health vary widely depending on the frequency and intensity of the fields. For more information on the health effects due to specific parts of the electromagnetic spectrum, see the following articles:

    Static electric fields: see Electric shock
    Static magnetic fields: see MRI#Safety
    Extremely low frequency (ELF): see Power lines#Health concerns
    Radio frequency (RF): see Electromagnetic radiation and health
    Light: see Laser safety
    Ultraviolet (UV): see Sunburn
    Gamma rays: see Gamma ray
    Mobile telephony: see Mobile phone radiation and health

[cherimoya_kid]

EMFs are FIELDS. That's what the F in EMF stands for. Microwaves are WAVES. EMF are generated by magnets or by electricity moving through a wire. The Earth's magnetic field is generated by its magnetic core, for example. Electrical wiring in homes also generates a field, from the alternating electrical current moving through it. Microwaves have nothing to do with that.

Seriously, do none of you have enough scientific training to know the difference? The fuck are you people doing arguing about this stuff when you don't know what you're talking about?

[TylerDurden]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3339511/Schoolgirl-15-hanged-developing-allergic-reaction-WiFi-school.html

[JeuneKoq]

EMFs are FIELDS. That's what the F in EMF stands for. Microwaves are WAVES. Seriously, do none of you have enough scientific training to know the difference? The fuck are you people doing arguing about this stuff when you don't know what you're talking about?

Do you even read about the stuff you claim to know so well? And what do you think those "fields" are composed of?

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/about/WhatisEMF/en/

"What makes the various forms of electromagnetic fields so different?
One of the main characteristics which defines an electromagnetic field (EMF) is its frequency or its corresponding wavelength. Fields of different frequencies interact with the body in different ways. One can imagine electromagnetic waves as series of very regular waves that travel at an enormous speed, the speed of light. The frequency simply describes the number of oscillations or cycles per second, while the term wavelength describes the distance between one wave and the next. Hence wavelength and frequency are inseparably intertwined: the higher the frequency the shorter the wavelength."

On the sources of EMFs:

Natural sources of electromagnetic fields

Electromagnetic fields are present everywhere in our environment but are invisible to the human eye. Electric fields are produced by the local build-up of electric charges in the atmosphere associated with thunderstorms. The earth's magnetic field causes a compass needle to orient in a North-South direction and is used by birds and fish for navigation.

Human-made sources of electromagnetic fields

Besides natural sources the electromagnetic spectrum also includes fields generated by human-made sources: X-rays are employed to diagnose a broken limb after a sport accident. The electricity that comes out of every power socket has associated low frequency electromagnetic fields. And various kinds of higher frequency radiowaves are used to transmit information – whether via TV antennas, radio stations or mobile phone base stations.

[cherimoya_kid]

Jeune, you don't understand the difference between fields and waves. You really need to shut the fuck up about it all.

The thing you people don't understand is that the diet is so you can function. It's not an extension of your anxiety and neuroses. It's an ANTIDOTE, for your physical AND mental issues.

I mean, go live on a rock in the middle of the Pacific Ocean if you want. Don't pretend that things are more dangerous than they are, though. Not here. If you want to play "I'm too sensitive to function", the raw vegans are masters of that game. Go play it on their forums. Not here. Here we don't lie to ourselves.

[JeuneKoq]

Jeune, you don't understand the difference between fields and waves. You really need to shut the fuck up about it all.

More than you do, apparently. I'll shut up about it because I know how much it frustrates you to be wrong.

Otherwise, please explain.

[cherimoya_kid]

Waves propagate out for long distances in a straight line. We can detect light, x-rays, etc. from distant stars and even other galaxies in some cases. In contrast, the EM fields emanating from the cores of those same stars don't even reach more than a few million miles out. 

[sabertooth]

I insist that there is still so much we do not know about the functioning of all the intrinsic details of life at these energtic levels.

Its very well likely.... at a basic biologic level of where genes are being encoded, proteins are being synthesized, and the basic building block mechanistic view of life is being played out... "moderate" exposure to such EMFS and microwaves have very little measurable effects.

What is totally unknown is how electrical magnetic pollution effects things at the epigenetic level. There are forces at play within the structure of life that are not merely a function of this mechanistic view.... there are very subtle and sly energies which are only detected at the epigenetic level. Phenomenon such as morphogenetic resonance could indeed be affected by even the most subtle interference.....There are informational feedback mechanisms which signal epigentic programming to perform critical DNA repairs and alterations....these systems may indeed be affected by interference....in a way that the nuts and bolts of Genetic biology can appear to go along as usual, but the spirit of life and its ability to rejuvenate, reconcile, and evolve may very well be affected.

The chronic exposure to frequencies of artificial electromagnetic interference, could obstruct and alter the way in which the process of genetic repair and adaptation occurs...regardless of how pure the diet is or how clean the environment..... Genes break down and need to frequently undergo systematic repairs, but if there is a constant 24/7 barrage of EMF and Microwave interference inundating the body then these systems may be prevented from operating optimally.

Not to say that its all doom and gloom and that such interference with the inner workings of the epi-mechanics of life poses an eminent threat....my primary concern is in how artificial interference, be it chemical, spiritual, nutritional, or electromagnetic.... inhibit one from living and passing on to the next generation the most optimal life possible.

[cherimoya_kid]

It's all a bunch of worry over nothing. Unless you live within a few dozen yards of high voltage lines or a cell tower, there's nothing to worry about for the vast majority of people. Perhaps a few are naturally sensitive to it, but none of those people have tried this diet, so it's an open question as to whether they might be completely cured by fixing their diets.