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Offline Ioanna

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Mercury in non-foods
« on: June 17, 2009, 05:56:49 am »
such as amalgam fillings and thimerosal-containing vaccines...

I used to work with autistic children, so I'm kind of passionate about this topic.  The downside was that it just made me feel like autism was more prevalent than it really is.  It is on the rise though.  The amount of mercury in vaccines has increased something like 30-fold more than it was about 20 years ago.  And if a scientist were to write a grant using thimerosal for some aspect of the study, it will not get funded/(s)he will be asked to use a different mercury source.  (At least that's what a doctor told me.)  Pharmaceuticals will say that the benefit of vaccination outweighs the risk of autism.  I know so many people with autistic children though, I'd be afraid to vaccinate if I had kids... amongst other things that I think may contribute to the onset of this disorder.

As for amalgam fillings, I thought they were implicated in so many chronic illness and neurodegenerative problems.  I don't know anyone with experience here, so I don't know.  The industries, of course, will say that the toxicology is insignificant to cause any illness.... yet, amalgam fillings are no longer permitted.

Your thoughts?

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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2009, 04:27:47 pm »
such as amalgam fillings and thimerosal-containing vaccines...
they are extremaly unhealthy and many people have got serious health problems because of them
it's better to no to be vaccinated (unless some venomous snake will bite you and you'll need an antidote, for example)
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2009, 07:01:53 pm »
While I do believe that vaccination is unhealthy, I don't believe it causes the kind of mass epidemics re autism that has been claimed. I mean study after study has shown no health-problems from ingesting tiny traces of mercury(for example there was that famous syechelles study which showed that children of seychelles islanders who ate 10 times as much seafood as the average american citizen, did not have any neurological defects):-

http://www.rochester.edu/pr/releases/med/mercury.htm
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2009, 10:12:14 pm »
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While I do believe that vaccination is unhealthy, I don't believe it causes the kind of mass epidemics re autism that has been claimed. I mean study after study has shown no health-problems from ingesting tiny traces of mercury(for example there was that famous syechelles study which showed that children of seychelles islanders who ate 10 times as much seafood as the average american citizen, did not have any neurological defects):-

Could be, but I don't think that example supports you.  There are three classes of mercury compounds: elemental, inorganic salts, and organic.  They are each unique in every clinical way from tissue distribution, biotransformations, elimination, diagnosis, and management.  Your example (fish) is organic mercury, but amalgam and vaccinations utilize elemental mercury.  I'm not sure the two can be compared for toxicity.

Plus, this could all be bs (I have no idea), but if the fish eaten raw, AV would  call it 'bio-mercury'... or something like that.  And I think he says this is actually detoxifying, while cooking would make it more deleterious.

Still wondering what you think! :)

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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2009, 11:37:01 pm »
so many people get fundamental improvement in their health when they have their amalgams safely (see Cutler's protocol) removed
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2009, 11:43:41 pm »
so many people get fundamental improvement in their health when they have their amalgams safely (see Cutler's protocol) removed

Not me, though. At my late father's urging  during my primal diet phase years back, I was encouraged to get rid of my mercury amalgams and have them replaced with ceramic ones(I had 1 or 2 to replace). Anyway, I didn't notice any definite health-improvements afterwards, even over the coming months.
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2009, 11:58:31 pm »
Could be, but I don't think that example supports you.  There are three classes of mercury compounds: elemental, inorganic salts, and organic.  They are each unique in every clinical way from tissue distribution, biotransformations, elimination, diagnosis, and management.  Your example (fish) is organic mercury, but amalgam and vaccinations utilize elemental mercury.  I'm not sure the two can be compared for toxicity.

Plus, this could all be bs (I have no idea), but if the fish eaten raw, AV would  call it 'bio-mercury'... or something like that.  And I think he says this is actually detoxifying, while cooking would make it more deleterious.

Still wondering what you think! :)


I don't buy AV's theory. There's nothing special about raw food that would bind mercury(or any other elemental toxin). And there's the minamata bay incident where the japanese(who usually prefer eating raw fish to cooked fish) got hefty mercury-poisoning as a result of many tonnes of mercury being dumped into the bay over the years. They don't seem to have had much protection from eating mostly raw fish all the time.

Incidentally, the above was an isolated incident, affecting only that 1 bay, not any further than that, and was due to highly unusual industrial corruption etc. There are natural traces of mercury all over the Earth, particularly the ocean, along with traces of  elements  such as uranium(which pro-mercury-advocates never seem to mention), which are way below the levels found in Minamata Bay at the time.

As regards the type of mercury, the anti-mercury crowd cite vaccinations and amalgams as being as equally harmful as mercury in food, so my view is that if 1 of the 3 ideas is easily proven wrong re the notion of traces of mercury supposedly being lethal, then, at the very least, the whole theory looks shaky.  And there's my own experience re amalgams. Granted, more data needs to be done, but the current studies' results 99% of the time favour the notion that all types of mercury are fine in trace amounts.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2009, 12:27:08 am »
Not me, though. At my late father's urging  during my primal diet phase years back, I was encouraged to get rid of my mercury amalgams and have them replaced with ceramic ones(I had 1 or 2 to replace). Anyway, I didn't notice any definite health-improvements afterwards, even over the coming months.
Ok, maybe I didn't say it precisely - if you read the Cutler's protocol you'll see what I meant
I quote - "Once you get all the amalgam out of your mouth, then you'll be able to start chelating. However, it might take you several years before you get completely cured. This depends on how toxic you are and how hard is your body holding on to mercury. Progress will be slow and you have to keep this in mind."
It is especially difficult to get rid of mercury out of your brain, as there must be crossed the blood brain barrier
So your diet could be what has chelated you over the years, thus your general health improvement
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2009, 12:40:20 am »
Unlikely as I experienced many very quick benefits from cutting out raw dairy and adding in raw meats. So, it's far more likely that the few, more gradual benefits were also from diet.
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2009, 12:54:33 am »
But those benefits resulted from different health problems - they were quite easy to be improved (in comparison with heavy-metal toxication)
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Re: Mercury in non-foods
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2009, 07:09:59 am »
Hey Tyler, I think you did good for yourself to have them removed!... maybe it will present in the long run?  I looked up the half-life of mercury and it's 15-30 years in the CNS without chelation.  Also I found that the amount of mercury absorbed is up to 15 micrograms per day per amalgam filling, fish and seafood portion about 2.3 micrograms, and environment 0.3 micrograms per day.  Well, I'm not an expert, but sounds that proper removal can be a good thing.

 

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