Primal body Primal mind

[carnivore]

Anybody has read this new book : http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/ ?

In the sample (http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/PrimalBody-PrimalMind-Sample.pdf), the author advocates a diet based on raw animal products, high in fat and moderate in protein.

Also in the blog :

http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/blog/?p=295

I have noticed that lots of (raw) meat makes me tired, and I wonder if this is not because of the burden puts on my (weak) digest system, and the gluconeogenesis which makes my body burning primary glucose.

[Nicola]

The author has become a member on Charles zerocarb forum


http://forum.zeroinginonhealth.com/showthread.php?tid=2026


Nicola

[rafonly]

i bought the ebook version of this book >
convenient but problematic (it turned out to be)

for more than 12 hrs i was unable to download the ebook
next day, when i emailed them letting them know that i had finally been able to do the download
they went ahead & charged me for the 2nd time!

re. the book contents:
have only read about 20% so far {the famous/infamous 80-20%}
the author states she is a member of the weston-price organization > recommends milk products, esp. butter & cream which are the highest in natural estrogen content, meant to feed calves; she also recommends a dairy company named organic pastures, which keeps its cows in the field while feeding them corn

otherwise the book sounds really interesting so far...

[rafonly]

problem solved & forgotten: i was refunded the 2nd charge

now to the book

on p.74 gedgaudas writes:
"bile can become stagnant & unhealthy for many reasons, though the most common culprits include poor hcl production ... rancid fats ... excess estrogens ..."

if that is the case & considering that the milk of any & all animals 1 could extract milk from is high in estrogen (& even more so its butter & cream):
does dairy use result in the impaired digestion of real dietary animal fats (suet, hide fat, etc.) in a human being?

[rafonly]

i do not want to convey the wrong impression -- this book is not about milk

having read 50% so far, my conclusion is that, for the few of us who practice carnivorism, it's more significant than gary taubes'
as an example in point, it contains a whole chapter on leptin & leptin resistance thereby depicting leptin as the foremost hormone, 1 that has the upper hand even over insulin
{after all, gedgaudas has some nutrition degree, whereas taubes is a sociologist, aka a statistics lover}

"it's all about improving communication & signaling between cells & tissues via optimizing hormonal function + using the right type of fuel -- & this is accomplished by minimizing the need for insulin & keeping leptin levels optimally low. this is best accomplished by eliminating sugar, starch, & excess protein from the diet & satisfying hunger by eating enough fat to satiate appetite -- thereby teaching your body to burn fat rather than sugar for fuel -- thus maximizing your metabolic efficiency" (p.159)

[carnivore]

Thank you rafonly to give us your feedback about this book.

How much protein does she recommend ?
On her site, recipies include lowcarb vegetables, vegetable oils,  so it's not really suitable for carnivore.
Maybe I'll buy the book...

[rafonly]

a few months back, when i 1st heard of this book, i was also put off by the recipes in that website
this time, however, after reading the discussion on charles forum thanks to nicola's link as a reply to your initial question, i became interested in the book

it is a fact that 1ce in a while she recommends butter & coconut oil; to skip those few paragraphs is a small price to pay for the valuable content of the rest of the book

"you are 1 of 2 things: you are either a 'fat burner' or a 'sugar burner'. if you are overweight, crave carbs (& stimulants), or are leptin-resistant, then you are a sugar burner.
"... although it is possible to burn off the excess glucose {by higher metabolic rate or exercise}, 1 cannot 'burn off' the excess insulin ...
"it is also possible to be thin & diabetic" (p.166)

[carnivore]

Interesting...
I am gonna buy the book. I know nearly nothing about leptin.

Her advice to avoid carbs is not at all in the line of WAPF. I wonder how Fallon and others see her book. There is not yet a review of her book on their website.

[rafonly]

earlier i posted this quote from gedgaudas' book:
"you are 1 of 2 things: you are either a 'fat burner' or a 'sugar burner'. if you are overweight, crave carbs (& stimulants), or are leptin-resistant, then you are a sugar burner" (p.166)

for a broader picture, you can read about leptin resistance
(a) from another author, stargazey, here:
http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2008/08/leptin-resistance-i.htm
http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2008/08/leptin-resistance-ii.html

(b) from research findings:
http://ajpcell.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/283/1/C244

re 'sugar burner' here
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7890604293949783916&postID=3738845242469203728
stargazey wrote:
"Hi, Rafonly. I looked up the term "sugar burner" and oddly enough, most of the sites that mentioned it were selling something. Most of the cells in our body contain the enzymes for the TCA cycle and oxidative phosphorylation. Both pathways are nicely designed to run on fatty acids or ketones or glucose or even all three, depending on the food we eat. If we eat carbs, they run on sugar (glucose). If we eat fat, they run on fatty acids and ketones. All the people who gave me blood sugar data were at least doing low-carb, meaning that they had very little glucose available to burn compared with the amount of fat they were eating.
"As far as leptin resistance, that's a rather complicated topic that I can't address right now. I wrote about it here and here if you would like to get a somewhat-simplified version of how it works."

if & how (directly or otherwise) leptin resistance results in high levels of glucose as fuel, aka 'sugar burnerism' -- in the case of previously overweight persons, over-50, or supertasters, ie cases of overlyness, above the threshold, or excess -- is still an open question in my mind

[carnivore]

earlier i posted this quote from gedgaudas' book:
"you are 1 of 2 things: you are either a 'fat burner' or a 'sugar burner'. if you are overweight, crave carbs (& stimulants), or are leptin-resistant, then you are a sugar burner" (p.166)

...

if & how (directly or otherwise) leptin resistance results in high levels of glucose as fuel, aka 'sugar burnerism' -- in the case of previously overweight persons, over-50, or supertasters, ie cases of overlyness, above the threshold, or excess -- is still an open question in my mind

Doesn't Gedgaudas give any explanation for the connection between leptin resistance and fat burning in her book ?

[rafonly]

unfortunately, she does not provide any explanation; she just highlights the primal significance of leptin

that's why her book set me in motion looking for more on leptin resistance; my gut feeling is that leptin resistance is behind such problems some1 may have as trouble to digest dietary animal fat or gaining fatty weight while being a carnivore

further stargazey's blog mentions those 3 cases of overlyness i mentioned before, albeit relating only 1 of them, namely (current or previous) overweight, to leptin resistance -- but instead of elaborating on it she goes on to talk about too frequent meals as a cause of leptin resistance, which is also a point worth of attention, of course; she recommends to eat slowly to enhance 1's leptin sensitivity (allowing leptin the time it needs to kick in & do its job)

so i asked stargazey about leptin resistance in the case of persons who are over 50 or supertasters; hopefully she'll eventually come up w/ a post on this issue

in the meantime, gedgaudas does say that leptin resistance is only overcome by foodstyle practice!!! -- not by supplements or medications
& patience, 1 may add

[rafonly]

here's what gedgaudas says in this regard:

"how do we control leptin to our advantage? by eating just enough dietary fat, in the absence of carbs (& other insulin generating stimuli, including excess protein), to satisfy our appetite & assure our hypothalamus that 'hunting is good'.
"since leptin controls hunger & leptin = the primary sensor for fat, & since we are creatures of the ice age for whom fat basically means survival, eating fat as our dominant source of fuel -- the way we were actually designed -- = our ultimate key to the mystery of health & long-term survival" (p.225)

[carnivore]

earlier i posted this quote from gedgaudas' book:
"you are 1 of 2 things: you are either a 'fat burner' or a 'sugar burner'. if you are overweight, crave carbs (& stimulants), or are leptin-resistant, then you are a sugar burner" (p.166)

for a broader picture, you can read about leptin resistance
(a) from another author, stargazey, here:
http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2008/08/leptin-resistance-i.htm
http://lowcarb4u.blogspot.com/2008/08/leptin-resistance-ii.html

(b) from research findings:
http://ajpcell.physiology.org/cgi/content/full/283/1/C244

re 'sugar burner' here
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7890604293949783916&postID=3738845242469203728
stargazey wrote:
"Hi, Rafonly. I looked up the term "sugar burner" and oddly enough, most of the sites that mentioned it were selling something. Most of the cells in our body contain the enzymes for the TCA cycle and oxidative phosphorylation. Both pathways are nicely designed to run on fatty acids or ketones or glucose or even all three, depending on the food we eat. If we eat carbs, they run on sugar (glucose). If we eat fat, they run on fatty acids and ketones. All the people who gave me blood sugar data were at least doing low-carb, meaning that they had very little glucose available to burn compared with the amount of fat they were eating.
"As far as leptin resistance, that's a rather complicated topic that I can't address right now. I wrote about it here and here if you would like to get a somewhat-simplified version of how it works."

if & how (directly or otherwise) leptin resistance results in high levels of glucose as fuel, aka 'sugar burnerism' -- in the case of previously overweight persons, over-50, or supertasters, ie cases of overlyness, above the threshold, or excess -- is still an open question in my mind

Leptin resistance is caused by excess serum triglycerides which prevents leptin to enter leptin receptors in the brain.
We know that triglycerides increase with carbs consumption.
So leptin resistance means carbs burning.

[carnivore]

"In recent experiments, the NOD mice showing symptoms of diabetes were injected with a strain of adenovirus that had been engineered to express leptin. The leptin-expressing NOD mice displayed a rapid reversal of diabetes symptoms and began to gain weight normally."

http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/search/label/leptin