Aajonus Vonderplanitz on the doctors

[instant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abg8l2Zs7d8

i thought Aajonus would look a little better and have better hair; his hair seems to be thinning..

[RawZi]

    Are you his age mr(miss/mrs) instant?  I'm looking for your profile age.  I don't know what kind of previous health or diet you come from, but aajonus' ways work for my health.

[Raw Kyle]

I just don't get wtf they're talking about, he's standing there eating that stuff and they're talking about risks. Certainly begs the question.

[instant]

im 26.. but
Someone posted on another raw forum that hair loss is like acne, there a symptom of poor diet..
So one could have all there hair forever..


or is hair loss solely genetics and its inevitable ?

[RawZi]

    Between chemtrails, toxic water, car accidents and who knows what else, I have no idea why his hair might be thinning at age 62 after curing himself from so many things.  It's a lot to go through.  Diet isn't like chopping off a limb and now you're healthy, it's an ongoing process.  Did you read the child boards? 

[instant]

no is there a section on hair loss?

[instant]

ahh found it

Baldness is just another disease. Genetics determines whether you will be susceptible or not, diet determines whether you ultimately end up going bald, and how severe. The thing is that baldness is one of the less severe illnesses that shows itself in people who aren't particularly unhealthy. Baldness is actually very similar to acne in it's cause and treatements.

post on this forum here
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/raw-weston-price/baldness-american-indians/10/

[invisible]

I posted that. The thing about hairloss is that it shows itself much more easily than other health problems, and once it starts it's extremely hard to stop via diet - following a healthy diet from birth is really needed to have best protection since the damage is cumulative, you don't lose all your hair overnight, whereas other problems don't become evident until they have developed extensively.

The diet of teenagers that causes acne also weakens the hair follices (DHT, sebum and inflammation in the sebacious skin gland causes acne, while in the hair follice these same things causes hairloss).  Hair grows back but after x nuimber of hair cycles grow back weaker and thinner. Thinning hair doesn't mean he is necessarily sick - just aging and getting old. He eats a lot of dairy too, the pasteurized product is particularly bad for these conditions, likely the raw as well.

I had terrible acne and rapid early onset balding before starting this diet, acne cleared right up and hairloss slowed down but no regrowth to speak off after a few months. Aajonus probably was thinning well before he started this diet, and the best diet could for him was slow down the loss, maybe he'd be a cueball otherwise?

If you are willing to take drugs in combination with diet you could more than likely keep all your hair. Either one separately might not keep all your hair depending on your genetic predisposition, but will at least slow down hairloss.  

(IMO raw paleo (preferably zero carb) combined with fasting + calorie restriction will prevent hairloss from happening/stop more loss once it happens, high calorie raw paleo only to slow loss once it's started...if started at birth good chance to prevent)

[invisible]

I just don't get wtf they're talking about, he's standing there eating that stuff and they're talking about risks. Certainly begs the question.

IMO the reason he's on the show to be made fun of.

[RawZi]

ahh found it

post on this forum here
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/raw-weston-price/baldness-american-indians/10/

    Remember, he has said the only exercise he gets is typing on the computer, walking to the bathroom, driving his motorcycle and walking a little.  It may not be his diet so much as his lifestyle.  He lives in a warm climate.  These American Indians live their lives outdoors.  When my pets live indoors in the Winter, they lose their fur.  When they spend outdoors in the cold they maintain their fur.

[SkinnyDevil]

Spot on, Invisible. They just wanna take shots at someone.

But as Kyle said, they talk risks and force their view while AJ just does what he does.

[instant]

overall aajonus looks good..
but my hair is thinning fast. even though i start raw paleo i was hoping that i could regrow or save my hair.  i was hoping to look at aajonus as a hair model, but if i have hair as much as him at the same age, i would be happy.

[instant]

No offense but i would not want to follow the diet these people are on... they look very sick and weak, cry over nothing.. something is wrong here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4VFjA1WYc

[Roselene]

No offense but i would not want to follow the diet these people are on... they look very sick and weak, cry over nothing.. something is wrong here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P4VFjA1WYc

    You DO realize this program was made for effect.

[instant]

I don think so, they just dont look like vibrant healthy people...

[SkinnyDevil]

Doesn't matter.

A few people don't adequately represent all who follow any particular lifestyle. There is more to a person than what they eat, and eating habits alone are not a magic cure-all for all that may ail us.

Ever seen a super-scrawny raw vegan?

Compare that the raw vegan athletes like Richard Blackman, Robert Cheeke, or Tonya Kay.

Diet alone is only one small factor.

[instant]

you do have a point SD.. sometimes i look into diet to much

[TylerDurden]

I talked to the wife in that TV episode and she pointed out that it was grossly distorted. For example, the husband of the cooked-diet-eating couple was won round to the notion of eating raw foods to the point where he almost was willing to eat raw chicken and did in fact consume some raw milk. Unfortunately, the producers of Wifeswap were horrified at the notion of the 2 couples reaching an understanding(the whole premise of the show, after all, is the culture shock of 2 couples from radically  different lifestyles living together and making each others' lives a living hell), so they forced the husband to first watch the chicken being slaughtered before being allowed to eat it raw, so, of course, being a dainty urban-living type, he couldn't then bring himself to eat the resulting flesh.

[PaleoPhil]

    Between chemtrails, toxic water, car accidents and who knows what else, I have no idea why his hair might be thinning at age 62 after curing himself from so many things.  It's a lot to go through.  Diet isn't like chopping off a limb and now you're healthy, it's an ongoing process.  Did you read the child boards? 

Wait a minute, isn't Lex older than 62, and didn't Lex report that his hair stopped thinning and some even returned? If true it does seem at least possible that a diet properly tuned to the needs of one's body can stop hair loss, though perhaps not in all people. My own hair loss slowed greatly when I eliminated gluten, but did not stop (I used to wake up each morning to a pillow full of 20-30+ newly fallen hairs and hairs in my mouth--now only a about a dozen or so accumulate between weekly washings). It does seem to be one of the more stubborn issues.

I think it's great that Aajonus apparently put his cancer into remission with dietary change and I commend him for the courage to stand up to the ridicule of those doctors who behaved rudely and arrogantly in that segment, the obvious premise of which was the old Barnum-and-Bailey-style freak show, but I don't think that should stop people from questioning things. My own mantra is "question everything."

[TylerDurden]

Last I checked, I was pretty sure Lex was 59 when I first heard of him and is now 60 - but maybe I'm wrong.

[instant]

i think hes 62

[PaleoPhil]

Well, according to Lex's success story he was born in '51, so that would make him a little bit younger than Aajonus (I blame my overestimate of Lex's age on his frequent talk about being old ), yet despite just a small age difference, Aajonus' hair is rapidly thinning whereas Lex's hair had stopped thinning, at last report. It's not a scientific comparison, but does give me pause. Of course, Aajonus might argue that he's still got more hair, more muscles, etc., but I think Lex started eating decently much later than Aajonus and genetic differences from birth can also be a factor. I don't look at it as an opportunity to find fault with Aajonus, and I value the information he has shared about high meats, but I am curious about whether he could do even better if he made a few changes, such as eliminating dairy.

In the autobiographic writings I've read of Aajonus, he surprisingly admits that he didn't do well while he was eating lots of raw dairy until he started eating raw meats. I've seen nothing in his writings demonstrating any benefits from dairy, though there probably is something somewhere. Perhaps it was just the raw and high meats that produced his health benefits? I also wonder whether those plentiful green juices or limited fruit might contributed to his hair loss. I know when I eat carbs, even raw ones, I tend to get more hairs falling out.

[SkinnyDevil]

Query: Why would we assume paleo-humans would kill and eat an animal, but not consume the dairy of the dead animal?

Naturally, it would be a small consumption of dairy (50% of the kills would be female, only a lactating female would have milk, and there is far less milk to go around), but it seems reasonable that there would be SOME dairy intake.

[instant]

Query: Why would we assume paleo-humans would kill and eat an animal, but not consume the dairy of the dead animal?

you know this is very interesting and i never thought about this.... it could be possible dairy always played a role in our diet...

[PaleoPhil]

I did come across one article that claimed that hunter-gatherers sometimes drank milk from the udders of lactating animals they'd killed, but a single reference out of thousands of pages of materials I've read on Paleolithic nutrition, lifestyle, etc. is miniscule.

Plus, Tyler explained elsewhere that the amount of milk that would likely be in an udder at any one time would be small, because the calf has to squeeze the tit to get the milk to come out of the mammaries. I don't know if they somehow squeezed the milk out of the mammary glands or something. Never heard of that. My guess is that small bits of milk were a small, rare treat rather than a staple food.

It would also be running afoul of nature's design if adult hominids could have easily consumed milk, because it has special qualities designed for the relevant infant mammal species (such as auroch calf). I think Tyler or someone also told me that wild and near-wild species like water buffalo and aurochs would have produced far less milk than today's holsteins, which have been specially bred for centuries to produce way more milk than their calf needs.