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Just this evening we went to a home party hosted by a group of lawyers in their 70s.  One was telling his ordeal at the hospital at how his blood sugar level shot up and that he was on insulin for quite some time now.  All the while they were conversing eating and drinking the usual bad food.

My eyes just rolled.

Same thing happens when my relatives get together and all the old people get to talk about how many drugs they are taking and who their specialists are and their check up schedules that keep them busy.

more eyes rolling.

Fortunately for us, this should not happen in our generation.  It would be a refreshing change to get organized with a bunch of health nut raw foodists and grow old together and hang out once in a while. We should all be beautiful healthy people into our old age. Drug free and strong.  Take advantage of those senior benefits.

I'll probably wait for all our journals to mature when Lex is 80, I'll be 60.  We'll probably party over beef brains.  Who knows.

How do you think most of us will turn out at 80?
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2009, 12:54:50 am »
You're assuming that a diet is the end-all be-all answer to perfect health. I'm not convinced that's the case when it comes to cancer and some other conditions.

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2009, 12:59:14 am »
Well, really many people on a raw animal food diet have seen many of their health problems disappear. Things like cancer have even come to a halt. I believe we'll all be a happy bunch of old people having our own potlucks and still rolling our eyes at others consuming cooked foods.

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2009, 10:35:17 am »
You're assuming that a diet is the end-all be-all answer to perfect health. I'm not convinced that's the case when it comes to cancer and some other conditions.

Actually I'm not assuming diet as the end-all be-all answer to perfect health.  There's also fasting.  There's exercise. Sun exposure.  Stress free living.  Pollution avoidance of every kind.  This is where the paleo "lifestyle" comes in.  Tools like herbs, electromedicine etc.

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2009, 01:34:00 am »
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Just this evening we went to a home party hosted by a group of lawyers in their 70s.  One was telling his ordeal at the hospital at how his blood sugar level shot up and that he was on insulin for quite some time now.  All the while they were conversing eating and drinking the usual bad food.

My eyes just rolled.

Same thing happens when my relatives get together and all the old people get to talk about how many drugs they are taking and who their specialists are and their check up schedules that keep them busy.

more eyes rolling....
I've noticed the same thing among most gatherings of elderly American folk. Granted, these are generalizations not true of all, but they generally ring true. Talk of ailments, medications, recommended doctors, etc. dominates the conversation to the point of excruciating monotony. Many people claim that they look forward to living in Florida and love the life there once they get there, yet so many of them do little but sit around and bitch and moan. Yet these same people will claim that the modern diet is healthier than the Stone Age diet, based solely on vague pre-judgements they have about the latter.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2009, 02:27:28 am »
One forgets that old people are more likely to be depressive etc., not surprising given that their glands are f*cked after years on cooked diets, with smaller brainweight, Alzheimer's etc. derived from consumption of heat-created toxins from cooking. So, naturally, they'll moan and gossip. Besides, people at the end of their lives are  far less likely to change having lived a routine-filled life for  many decades.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 03:04:34 am »
One forgets that old people are more likely to be depressive etc., not surprising given that their glands are f*cked after years on cooked diets, with smaller brainweight, Alzheimer's etc. derived from consumption of heat-created toxins from cooking.
I haven't forgotten. I've seen the "dementia," "Alzheimer's," depression, etc. first hand, including among some relatives. Those are some of the diseases of civilization I meant that cause people to bitch and moan. Very sad. I don't blame the people themselves. They are who they are largely through no fault of their own. Granted, many people eat junk knowing it to be junk, but few realize the extent to which it's connected to their multiple chronic health issues.

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So, naturally, they'll moan and gossip. Besides, people at the end of their lives are  far less likely to change having lived a routine-filled life for  many decades.
I can understand some complaining. I complain at times myself, although generally more about negative changes in society rather than my own health complaints. But if I get to the point of bitching and moaning nearly every day despite doing all I can via diet, exercise, sunshine, activities, etc., then I think it'll be time for the carbon monoxide. Luckily, I think most of the bitching and moaning and aches and pains would disappear if people changed their diets and other habits. I have seen amazing improvements in people in their 70s and 80s.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2009, 03:23:17 am »
Yes, but many people like having aches and pains.It makes their humdrum lives more interesting if they can see the doctor as a routine etc., especially after they've retired.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2009, 03:33:14 am »
Well, then those folks have no one to blame but themselves. If I get that way, please shoot me (but give me the chance to reform first ;-) ).
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 04:29:51 am »
sometimes 'we' really don't know what to reform to.  Just imagine is yours and my way of close to zc failed us today.....

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2010, 03:59:18 am »
Well, there was no Tyenol in the in 12,000 B.C.  There's no room for drugs in nature.  Diet is important with dealing with disease, diet is what allowed the diseases to happen in the first place.  You don't have the building blocks, you don't repair yourself.  You can't expect a bridge to hold up without somebody doing maintenance on it.  The same goes to our bodies.  It's just a matter of chemistry.  Your body needs to acquire certain things from the foods you eat.  How on earth are you going to get better without proper nutrition?  I worked in a hospital and I hated it.  Bad food and toxic meds on top of it.  The only "legal" way to treat cancer is radiation, chemo, or surgery?  I just don't understand the concept of destroying the body to heal it.  That's stupid!  Medicine has changed for the worse since Hippocrates.  It all boils down to the root of all evil: money. 

I hate to say it, people should be dying anyways.  What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain?  That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about.  Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution.  Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore.  Will our numbers dwindle once again? 
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2010, 11:38:35 am »
I mostly agree, except that natural treatments were used by Stone Agers and nonhuman animals. For example, the modern drug aspirin was refined from white willow tree bark, which Stone Agers no doubt used for headaches and aches and pains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow#Medicine). A good book on such treatments is Wild Health: Lessons in Natural Wellness from the Animal Kingdom, by Cindy Engel.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 09:03:53 pm »
As long as I'm on raw paleo diet, I feel fine.  But once I get into bad stuff like coffee or christmas ham... bam, I get into some trouble.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 01:42:59 am »
...  What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain?  That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about.  Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution.  Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore.  ...

    Many people love flying and driving everywhere etc shipping their goods from across the oceans and on and heat their homes to 72F in the Winter and cool to 68F in Summer 24/7 to "help" their environmental allergy problems, they never stop.  If the majority wants to call that human, I'd rather not count myself in.  Many of those same are totally supporting taking down rainforests to plant cornfields to make alcohol to fuel their car.  What next?  Digging up cemetaries and burning relatives' bodies for gastank, heating and cooking fuel?  It's fuel addiction.  They'll see if they can burn the planet like a candle without blinking an eye.  

    Sorry for OT but fuel junkyism is not necessarily the most efficient, healthiest, best nourishing or sanist way to do what's best for humanity and the rest of the planet, but things will go how they will go.

    The old people talking about their health problems, they were just sucked into the system.  Too bad, and it affects the young too.  The world should be like an earlier time when all ages of people were together and young went to the very old to ask how to live, rather than to doctors who do not know and only want to take money from you the stranger and insurance their bedpartner.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 08:00:04 am »
Beginning with my generation, the western medical "system" will cease to consume my family.  My legacy will be in the websites I've written, the blogs, this forum.

My written works will be required reading for my children and grandchildren.

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2010, 08:03:19 am »
Maybe fly off to somewhere to spear fish..then some land hunting for wild deers..with spears..  :P

Star gazing with music while we all feast... and talk about the days when we used to use medication and laugh. Probably that :P

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« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2010, 08:36:42 am »
Well, there was no Tyenol in the in 12,000 B.C.  There's no room for drugs in nature.  Diet is important with dealing with disease, diet is what allowed the diseases to happen in the first place.  You don't have the building blocks, you don't repair yourself.  You can't expect a bridge to hold up without somebody doing maintenance on it.  The same goes to our bodies.  It's just a matter of chemistry.  Your body needs to acquire certain things from the foods you eat.  How on earth are you going to get better without proper nutrition?  I worked in a hospital and I hated it.  Bad food and toxic meds on top of it.  The only "legal" way to treat cancer is radiation, chemo, or surgery?  I just don't understand the concept of destroying the body to heal it.  That's stupid!  Medicine has changed for the worse since Hippocrates.  It all boils down to the root of all evil: money. 

I hate to say it, people should be dying anyways.  What ecosystem allows a predator to outnumber the rest of the chain?  That's what happened to humans when agriculture came about.  Now we're six billion strong because of the green revolution.  Boy, people do not get it. Let's see what happens when all the petroleum is gone, and people don't eat it anymore.  Will our numbers dwindle once again? 

agree with first paragraph (with a caveat): i agree with paleophil, herbs were used in the past and are still used even by wild animals for both external and internal healing.

and then i just plain agree with the second paragraph

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2010, 09:14:08 am »
My grandfather had type 1 diabetes and lupus*, which meant he could not take medication for either. They're incompatible--lupus medication will worsen diabetes and vice versa. So instead, he had to monitor his diet. He ate to what he needed. My father told me (as my grandfather was dead by then) that he desired meat, that's what he ate. When he desired fruit or vegetables, he'd go for that. If he didn't, he would worsen. This is how my family tends to live (even though they do eat cooked food). I've always listened to my body. I've tried substituted food my cravings before--instead of eating meat, eating crackers. This never works and I'm usually either still hungry or still feel that craving in some way. Only until I eat the food I'm craving will it cease.

I think that's a big thing people do--ignoring their body.

*He happened to pass on other autoimmune disorders to his children. My father was born with a rash. My aunt and I get eczema, a lot. I've found that mine worsens with exposure to chemicals. I cannot stand perfumes, air fresheners, or soaps. My mother as well has issue with drugs and chemicals. We both are very sensitive to them.

As a scientist, I do believe in medication, but I don't believe in quick, faulty science. That's why I agree with raw foodism. What are we evolved to eat? What is the chemical difference between raw and cooked food? I've never believed that red meat was bad for people. However, people seem to have issue with cooked red meat. This makes a lot of sense. I think that if people ate what they're evolved to eat, then no, they shouldn't have much issue with health. However, if my leg breaks, I'm going to want to fix it.

I've never understood why people want Homo sapiens to be above animals (or in some strange other category--either we're apart of nature or we're not, and you can't not be a part of nature). I'm part of life as much as they are. I'm not above animals, of any sort, and I'm not their master of any kind. I may 'own' five cats, but I consider them as my friends. I have a warm, comfortable den, and they're welcome to join me, it's of no hindrance to me and they get a home. When I die, I've always wanted to be fed to another creature--I particularly have a soft spot for vultures and general carrion birds. As other animals are food for me, I would not want to deny them the privilege of a meal.

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2010, 07:48:39 am »
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I've never understood why people want Homo sapiens to be above animals (or in some strange other category--either we're apart of nature or we're not, and you can't not be a part of nature). I'm part of life as much as they are. I'm not above animals, of any sort, and I'm not their master of any kind. I may 'own' five cats, but I consider them as my friends. I have a warm, comfortable den, and they're welcome to join me, it's of no hindrance to me and they get a home.

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When I die, I've always wanted to be fed to another creature--
Yes, I'd also like my body to be used positively like that in the wheel of life--preferably with me dead first.  ;) I'd hate for my corpse to be filled with toxic chemicals and stored in a cement box, as with the bizarre current practice in the Western world. That never made sense to me. Even if my body did somehow get re-animated and smash through the lid and ground to rise from the grave, it would be filled with toxic junk and I would probably not be a happy camper. Yuck! Makes no sense.

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I particularly have a soft spot for vultures and general carrion birds.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing after I saw a video on the traditional Tibetan method of sky burial that uses vultures.
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2010, 10:51:00 am »
Yes, I'd also like my body to be used positively like that in the wheel of life--preferably with me dead first.  ;) I'd hate for my corpse to be filled with toxic chemicals and stored in a cement box, as with the bizarre current practice in the Western world. That never made sense to me. Even if my body did somehow get re-animated and smash through the lid and ground to rise from the grave, it would be filled with toxic junk and I would probably not be a happy camper. Yuck! Makes no sense.

In my town, we have a habit of cremation. Everyone is then poured into a tube in the Earth (not your own personal tube, but a communal one). They didn't want to take up land space with cemeteries. Whenever I tell my friends from the city and urban areas, they think its quite weird.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing after I saw a video on the traditional Tibetan method of sky burial that uses vultures.

I think that's where I must of first heard about the idea. I believe there are feeding fields for human burials in the USA, I'm just not exactly sure where. In my town, we have a lot of vultures. I've always found them fascinating. From time to time, we'll see them sitting with our male cat.

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« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2010, 11:06:20 am »
.... From time to time, we'll see them sitting with our male cat.
That's interesting. A scientist who studies wolves decided to eat with them. As long as he ate only meat the wolves respected him and treated him as one of the pack (and if he ate the liver they treated him as the alpha male). But if he ate any plant foods, they would growl at him. I'm starting to wonder if this is not an isolated phenomenon. Maybe most or all carnivores respect each other in some way. Granted, they fight and kill each other too when they compete for a kill or encroach on territory.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2010, 06:08:03 pm »
Link please?

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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2010, 01:16:38 am »
Kiss and Howl: This Man Is a Wolf’s Best Friend
By SUSAN STEWART
http://movies.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/arts/television/16wolv.html

Shaun Ellis doesn't have a PhD, apparently, so technically he is called an "animal researcher" instead of a scientist.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Bunch of old people talking about their diseases... my eyes roll.
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2010, 08:07:27 am »
lol am i the only one who believed his great wolf experience, i just rationalised we all do crazy things at times, or brilliant theyre both the same lol

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« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2010, 08:18:12 am »
"next they’re ripping up your face with their love bites. (When this happens, Mr. Ellis says wolf saliva heals his cuts faster than conventional medicine.)"  ...

This is how we'll eat in the future, not with plates & knives, but through the ecology of the animals around us, running in packs with other animals & galloping with gazelles, naturally eating what nature chooses for us, interacting with natures ecological cycles, through its animals, in order to help us back to our own natural instincts & natural primacy

giving back to the earth in the form of ecological cycles within cycles, hunting packs within packs & nourishing & recreating the soil with the remains of our food

disposing of any real living food in a plastic bin is a travesty
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