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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2010, 11:47:47 pm »

I read that questionnaire and it seems that I score about the same on all 3. The type with highest score (only by point difference!) was Pitta though.

So that means I can mix them however I want :)

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« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2010, 02:27:48 am »
Sometimes it is better to have someone else monitor your answers a bit. However you are right in that you are probably one of the rare people who are tri-doshic. This can be good or bad. If you get out of whack though it can be trickier to get back because it is hard to know what got you out of whack. I honestly don't know enough to comment any more. Someone with more knowledge may say a lot more.
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« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2010, 02:48:21 am »

Thanks for the Ayurveda tips. It's yet another thing to think about/experiment.

It looks like those recommendations are for individual foods so maybe certain combination have a different effect. I almost never eat just one food at a time.


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« Reply #28 on: March 13, 2010, 03:26:21 am »
Majormark,
You hit the nail on the head.  For instance potatoes and peas will aggravate a Vata person but if you put on lots of butter / ghee / some sort of grease : ) then it is fine.

Essentially each food has an effect or virya in Sanskrit. The effect is Pitta, Vata or Kapha (PKV) and then this is further broken down (in one of the forms at that site) into one or more of the six tastes sweet, salty, sour, bitter, pungent and astringent. Then each dosha (P, V, K are doshas) has a set of tastes that pacify and ones that aggravate it. For instance P and V are pacified by sweet but it aggravates K because a kapha person gains weight easily.
The system is quite easily explained but naturally to get right into it requires someone to show you. Pulse diagnosis is the coolest part of the system.
An easy book to get an intro to it is Dr Vasant Lad's book "Ayurveda The Science of Self healing". In India it is the health system for the poor as the British succeeded in convincing the natives that modern medicine knew it all.
When I read Aajonus's book it knocked me flat on my back. Broke my religion of 23 years. Vegie an all. I kept running to my girlfriend and saying look what he says about this and that and everything. It was scary that it made so much sense. The historical stuff fit in with what I was told by the Vaidya I know.
However things have settled down and I have welcomed it wholeheartedly. I have taken the new info and folded the Ayurvedic stuff in with it. Still haven't come out of the closet with all my vegie buddies yet  -X
It is difficult to eat raw pastured beef and liver tastes like ahem... you know what.
I did not go into this because I was sick. Quite the contrary I am very healthy. Haven't had any illness in years. I use Ayurveda to keep me comfy. I do not agree with Aajonus's contention that you should welcome illness. Illness to me is a result of boo boos. I know myself well enough to catch booboos before they erupt into flames.
Hate to sound like a proselytizer but Ayurveda is a companion to any diet. Because the knowledge has nothing to do with individual foods or nutrients.
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« Reply #29 on: March 13, 2010, 05:37:01 am »

Well, if you want to add some more "punch" to nutrition you could also study Quantum Touch and run energy into the food before you eat to see how that affects you. They claim some good things can happen. I understand at least one course with a good trainer is necessary in order to get the skill. I never really tried it yet, but maybe I'll find some time in the future.

For now, I got a 600+ pages book on Ayurveda... hmm.
 

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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2010, 10:26:29 pm »
Hi raw-all,

what you are writing is very interesting.  I never thougt Ayurveda could be compatibel with raw paleo.
I am a raw foodist for years, mostly vegetarien and vegan und quite very smal I think I definitly have to gain weight but I do not get it with veggies and sprouts and nuts and stuff, that is why I am going to try raw paleo. I like the Ayurvedic aproach and tried it a coupel of times but this mostly vegetarien cooking thing does not feels right to me.
I am a vata almost 100 % and a woman. So what should I eat in an ayurvedic paleo lifestyl.
Why do thy write that lamb is not good for Vata. I thougt it must be very good because it is so yang (heating) and I feel often very cold. And it is a healty meat. What about dairy. I used to make my own raw goat joghurt and I have sometimes raw sheep cheese and raw butter of corse and raw cream?
Also I still eat a lot of raw veggies, it is a habit and it satisfies my hunger, is it good for me?
What about sprouts like buckwheat and oats, lentils, I think it is not even paleo? And wild Herbs?
How much raw eggs would be ok for a smal vata woman?
Would love to know what you think about it.
 
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2010, 02:08:41 am »
First of all I am impressed with the people in Europe who know so many languages. Such a wonderful thing.

Ayurveda nowadays is associated with vegetarians but in reality it is not vege at all. All the different meats affect the doshas and are well described in "The Caraka Samhita" the best of the Ayurvedic texts. A German was one of the first Europeans to translate the Vedic texts (Sanskrit ) and I am not sure if he translated The Caraka. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_M%C3%BCller

If you are mostly vata then meat generally is a good idea because it is heavy. But you are right lamb is not so good. I cannot explain that one as I have not eaten or studied lamb. Dairy is very good for you, but warm it up to a comfortable temperature (not more than the cow's body temperature, whatever that is.) In other words do not drink milk from the fridge. At the minimum drink it at room temperature.

Raw vegies and sprouts will aggravate vata. Cream, butter and cheese pacify vata. Soft cheese may be better. Yogurt is better if it is diluted with water and add some rose water and cardamom and coriander or whatever spice you like. The reason you dilute the yogurt is that yogurt tends to clump up and when you eat it it is difficult for the stomach to break up the clumps. Put it through a blender etc for maybe 30 seconds to break up the clumps. If it is too hard to digest then make salty lassi instead.
Eat smaller meals and eat more frequently.

If you want to find out the affect that a food has on you, eat a lot of something over a period of time and see what happens. Then stop eating that item(s) for say a month and see what happens.
When the list says avoid something, if you eat it with something like butter or other liquid, warm, oily things that pacify vata it will reduce or eliminate the difficulty.

Raw eggs are fine as they are wet and slimy (the opposite of vata)

Another thing is look at the list of -   Incompatible Food Combining (PDF Document) at www.ayurveda.com

Vata tends to have a variable digestion in other words it works, then it is sluggish, then it works, so smaller meals are easier. Get plenty of fats, oils and warmth.

Traveling is tough on you. Keep warm and try to avoid rushing, breathe deeply, get plenty of sunshine and do abayanga (sp) warm oil massage on yourself daily. Follow the Daily Routine PDF at www.ayurveda.com site.

Vata is the section of your GI tract that starts around the small intestine involved with absorption and elimination so try squatting when you evacuate the bowels. May seem strange to climb up on the toilet rim to do it, but it will help you. If you get constipated eat more raw butter or ghee.
Personally I think that raw paleo is the ideal diet for vata as I am quite a bit vata also.
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Al

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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2010, 05:19:44 am »
Hi raw-all,

thanks a lot for your answer, it will help me a lot I think. How comes that you know so much about ayurveda. I saw that you are Canadian. As a raw foodist with some vata, don t you have problems to keep yourself warm in the canadien winter?
All that I wrote about Ayurveda and nutrition is that they advise to eat mostly cooked food, especially for vata. And everything in moderation. And grains and legumes with all meals and some cooked veggies and some raw. Eating almost exclusively animal flesh and products does not seem to fit very well in the context? Do you eat veggies As well or fruits or nuts to balance your meals and to bring variety or do you think it is better to stay with animal food only?
Everything you wrote about the vata dosha feels very right to me and I really will pratice these things. Do you think I have to totally stop eating raw vegetables or can I take some perhaps with meet and butter? And sprouts? I used to love my sprouts (but I allways get bloated when I eat to mutch or to often of them). About egg yolks, how mutch per day would be reasonable for a woman. I know it is difficult to answer, the reason I ask is that  I always read that 2 yolks  per day is the max. but I love them and I could even eat some more. What do you think about bone marrow? And about Avocado, Olives and coconut (some Staples for me) and about flax seed?
How is your daily diet and routine? What dosha are you and since when and why are you paleo.

quite some questions ;) thanks a lot for your help
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Noel
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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2010, 07:43:26 am »
Lots of questions!
Without doing a full consultation I cannot be accurate so what I say is just generalizations. I am an Ayurvedic Practitioner although I learned it for knowledge only.
Nowadays Ay. suggests warm cooked foods for everyone and Kapha people are OK for raw veges. You have to bear in mind that the author is from India and is a person who feels that vegetarian is necessary for spiritual development and so he is speaking from the viewpoint of an average Indian so that means they eat cooked food.
I am doing the raw paleo omnivorous diet out of curiosity. I eat very little fruit and drink the vege juices that Aajonus suggests. I eat no nuts as he suggests unless it is with the nut butter recipe which I haven't tried yet. I am still a bit uncomfortable with all the meat because I have had 20+ years of being vege.

With raw veges I would tend to do as AV suggests by juicing them if possible and adding raw unheated honey to them to make them less Vata aggravating.
According to AY. sprouts aggravate Vata. Anything crunchy does that. They are hard to digest so other than the taste that you like they are as useful as eating rocks. You are asking your GI tract to do a huge amount of work to try and digest something that it is not strong enough to digest. So you get gas which bloats you. Someone out there thinks everyone in the world should eat sprouts and tofu. They are probably selling it. For Kapha persons sprouts are an excellent idea.

Eat as many raw eggs as you like. They are perfect for you. Eat the whole egg (obviously except the shell  ;) ) Every time I read articles that say everyone should eat this or that I cringe at how the fool arrived at such a conclusion. We all have different nutritional needs.
Bone marrow, avocado, olives, and coconut are fine for you. Flax is not so good.
My daily diet varies since I started this diet. It is rarely the same and when I travel it all goes out the window. :)
Paleo made sense when I read AV's books. I have given myself 6 months to see if the diet is useful. Gotta admit no cooking is a bonus. Electric bill should plummet.
Cheers
Al

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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2010, 05:22:35 am »
Hi raw-all,

makes a lot of sense what you are writing. I wish I had known about it earlier.
what do you use for your veggie juice. would be juicing sprouts a good idea?
with the juicing thing I don't get it. Some say that it is superhealthy and others, a lot of paleos as well, think that stuff is poisonous because of the antinutritions and stuff. I think lots of greens have some antinutritions, carrots and things have starches, cruciferus have goiterogens, some plants have a lot of oxalic acid and so on. What do you think about wheatgras. And do you think smoothies could be good?
At the moment I just put vegetable, spices, meat or fish and something fatty like butter or coconut or bone marrow or avocado in a food processor and mix it until I cant be see or taste what it was before and than I can eat (and digest) it.  actually it tastes quite good and I don't need much of it. I would love to let go of the huge amounts of food I had to eat as a raw vegan. You are so right with what you wrote about vata eating sprouts and vegetable's is like eating stones. This is how I feel a long time. I eat and I eat ( all so healthy stuff) but I am starving. The only time I could gain weight and substance while doing raw was when I ate a lot of high sugar fruit with nuts.  But I was never very comfortable with all this fruit, made me irritable and hurt my teethe. High fat as a raw vegan did not work for me neather. I always felt sick with all this fat and the huge fat veggie smoothies I made. So  I found this thing with eating sprouts as a staple food. Do you think it would be good to cook the sprouts
About eggs, this morning I was a bit hungry so I decided to start my day with two raw egg yolks. O my god, I was so  sick the whole day, don't now if it was because 2 is to much or if it was just to early to eat, (normally I do not eat so fast after getting up? Anyway I have this problem a lot, I eat something, often if some fat is involved, and after it I am really really sick, often cant eaten for a long time after it, seems that everything rests in my stomach, does not moves for hours and makes me nauseous. At the end I often loose weight this way, funny because I did it simply to gain weight -\
Because raw paleo is also high fat I am wondering if I could strengthen my fat digesting abilities. Or is it that it will come when I have myself adapted  with the new foods?
Why do you think that flax is not good for me? High in omega 3. And what about hemp?
I always head you should not eat the egg white raw. You think it is better?
How do you feel with the raw paleo diet? Do you recognize some improvement? I think I do have to read ajonious books, the fist one I bought already, the second one is quite expensive. Is there any other book you can recommend.
It must be difficult to stay on the diet while traveling. Where do you travel to?

all the best
Noel

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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2010, 05:52:57 am »
raw all, just forgot to ask, ;D

what do you think about raw seewed, dulse and spaghetti, almonds, durian and hemp nuts or hemp oil for Vata? and  what about meat from horses? And fish eggs. And liver -X The reason I ask is because I have to order some things und would like to choose things that are sort of supportive this time ;)

thanks a lot again

Noel

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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2010, 02:28:18 am »
Hey all,

I've been trying to heal my teeth (a la Weston Price proposition) on a raw diet over the last couple of years, although it's proved quite unsuccessful thus far (actually losing more enamel).
...

Has anyone noticed tooth healing with raw omni (with maybe 100g raw animal fats per day) and the inclusion of Green Pasture raw fermented cod liver oil, Green Pasture butter oil and maybe some supplementary D3 and 6-12 (very orange) egg yolks per week?

I realise that raw butter is not paleo and that some strains of raw grass-fed butter are more suitable than others (that is, from A2 milk instead of A1 milk), but it's meant to be high in K2, which is very beneficial for tooth healing and bone building.
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I know that you (my good contemporaries) will have some useful guidelines for me, so here I am putting my enquiry into the ether...

Best,

Scotty

Hi Scotty,

I share your experiences.  I've been eating this way for 10 years now in which time my teeth have only worsened.  My gums are receding quite badly and I've recently noticed a growing transparency on some teeth which, I can only assume, is a result of mineral loss.  I also have the calculus problem you so accurately described.

A quick summary: This WOE for me started with AV's primal diet but, for the last 6 years or so, has been pretty much RPD.  I'm also VLC now and have been for many months.  As a rule, I no longer consume any fruit or honey.  Struggling to reliably source good animal fat sources I have recently re-introduced raw grass-fed butter.  I've been taking the Green Pastures fermented CLO for a number of years.  I've experimented with supplementing with home-made ground egg shells as a source of Ca.  I bought a file to grind bones as directed by Van but obviously bought the wrong type as it didn't work.  I'm still hopeful that this method could provide a solution, however, and will try buying another file/farrier's rasp.

I agree with some of your, and other's, reflections as to what may be at the root of this issue - mouth bacteria, mineral imbalance (through insufficient ingestion, poor assimilation, or interruption via consumption of dairy or other inappropriate foods ) etc.  My concerns that this diet was causing Ca/Mg imbalances was alleviated somewhat by Lex's bone scan results but my own continuing dental deterioration remains a worry.

As Tyler points out, our experiences seem to be in a minority.  Most people experience much improved dental health.  The assumption must be, therefore, that there remains a single or multiple factors common to us that does not exist in other's eating this way.  This could be a myriad of things - many of which have already been mentioned.  One prominent factor in my mind, beyond perhaps a shared biological/physiological pre-condition (which must also remain a primary causative factor), is the consumption of salt.  I think I'm correct in saying that I am in a minority among other RPDers in that I still consume Celtic or Himalayan salt.  This goes back to my adrenal problems which causes my body to lose salt.  But, I'm beginning to suspect this may be throwing out my mineral balance.  Do you still eat salt Scotty?


Please keep this thread updated with your progress as I consider this an important issue.  You are not alone!
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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2010, 05:05:08 am »
Scotty and Michael, are you getting plenty of all the dental-related nutrients, like vitamins A, D3, MK4-K2, magnesium and calcium and what shape is your gut in (poor gut flora and damaged intestinal epithelial cells can reduce your absorption of those nutrients)?

If you can't file bones or get raw or near-raw edible bones in another way, like from dried fish, then maybe another option to consider would be slow-cooking bones to make them edible, or bone broths? I know it's not raw Paleo, but it comes close and it sounds like you have extreme cases that may call for more unusual measures than what others require.

I've also found some dental products that work fairly well for me: Quantum gum cream (it contains good stuff like myrrh, neem and tea tree oil, though it also contains a small amount of lecithin), Thera Neem herbal mouthwash, and tea tree oil toothpicks.

Chewing on suet, beef jerky (dried at 95 F or air dried) or chewy meat also cleans my teeth, as it does dogs'.
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« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2010, 04:46:21 am »
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestion Phil.  Much appreciated!

Interestingly, I have been contemplating consuming bone broth again recently as I've been making it for my son.  (This is due to the fact that the only foods we can get him to eat so far is cooked fish/seafood in beef bone broth along with a few select raw foods such as butter, egg yolks and goat yoghurt! Oh, and he does love scrambled eggs with lots of raw butter!)

I am reluctant to start regularly eating cooked foods but I guess I may have to seriously consider it if I can find no other solution.  I would expect Tyler to point the finger at the raw butter I've starting eating again quite recently but there was a long period without it which showed no dental improvement.

I think my GI tract is in a poor state along with problems with digestion, liver, adrenals etc.  All a legacy from my previous poor nutritional upbringing/lifestyle/diet and the resultant health issues.  I expect absorption is still an issue.  I think I'm probably ok on the consumption of A,D,K2 although the assimilation may be a different matter.  I do recall you doing great research on this matter, however, and would greatly appreciate a reminder of the preferred sources of these vitamins if you have a moment?  I've also thought for many years that I have problems with Vit A despite my level of consumption, for instance, as I've suffered with night blindness since I was a child! 

The Mg and Ca have long been concerns on this diet for me as I see little sources of either of them!  As I mentioned, Lex's bone scan was a relief for me in this respect and I'm confident much of the modern requirement for vast quantities of these minerals is related to anti-nutrients in modern diets.  But, theory isn't currently helping my teeth!  I'm pinning great hope on van's suggestions of filing bone. (no pressure van!)  ;)

I do clean my teeth as little as possible (perhaps 3 or 4 times pw) and use a simple homemade concoction of bicarb, very diluted hydrogen peroxide and spearmint essential oil.  I only rinse with still bottled spring water.

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« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2010, 10:54:54 am »
If you have dental decay and dental plaque, I would clean more often, using natural substances of course.

Some Traditional Factors that Promote Dental Health:
(The basics are sunlight + liver/greens + fat + bones)
•   Sunlight (D3)
•   Raw fermented cod liver oil (A and D3); if you don’t get much sunlight you’ll probably want to add some Carlson’s D3 fat-containing gels (alternatively, use a dry D3 supplement and try taking fish oil with it for absorption)
•   Pastured liver and liver-containing foods, like bug/worm-fed poultry eggs, shellfish and other whole fish (A, D3, MK4-K2)
•   Edible bones, like soft raw bones, dried or low&slow-cooked until soft, or simmered into a broth (calcium, phosphorous, magnesium, silicon); also insects, lizards, bird embryos (balut), small birds, rodents, and other small critters with bones and bonelike structures (calcium--there's some of the missing calcium among peoples that don't eat dairy)
•   Raw, young greens and brassica (K1, magnesium, calcium) with fat for absorption (mature, tough and bitter green veggies should be fermented, steamed, simmered or quickly chowed to neutralize antinutrients and make the nutrients more digestible)
•   Raw pastured butter (MK-4 K2)
•   Probiotic foods and fermented foods reported to promote healthy gut flora (which help with absorption of fat-soluble nutrients--A, D3, MK-4 K2), such as high meat, fermented fish, unsalted fermented raw vegetables like sauerkraut and nightshade-free kimchi
•   Raw animal fats to help absorb the fat soluble nutrients (A, D3, MK-4 K2) and soothe the gut
•   Kelp and other seaweed (K1, calcium, magnesium)
•   Fatty fish (like herring, sardines and salmon) and the meat, blood, organs (see above), fat and bones (see above) of grassfed cattle raised outdoors on mineral-rich pastures or fed mineral supplements (A, D3, MK-4 K2, calcium, phosphorous, magnesium, silicon)
•   Fatty fruits (like coconut and avocado) to help with absorption of fat soluble nutrients (A, D3, MK-4 K2, K1), if digested well

Did you notice that most of these factors are found in the traditional diet and lifestyle of coastal Arctic hunter-gatherers like coastal Inuit and Chukchi? I don’t think it’s coincidence that traditional Inuit were found to have the highest jaw strength of any people measured. There are probably other factors too, like the fact that traditional Arctic peoples used their teeth to tear, chew and soften/work skins, hides and frozen meats and ate more of their meats and fish raw than most peoples.

Also recall the gleaming white fangs of the wild wolf for whom dental caries are a rarity (and when they occur I read that they tend to self-heal--amazing!...sorry, I lost the reference, but learning about wolves and other wild facultative and obligate carnivores is highly recommended) and think about what the wolf eats.

I probably missed some foods and nutrients. I hope I remembered the basics.
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« Reply #40 on: July 29, 2010, 05:48:39 pm »
Thanks Phil.  I really appreciate you taking the time to consider and type all of that!  It will serve as a useful reference and reminder as, even though I've been aware of most of these things over time, my short-term memory issues most often means it gets forgotten.

Along with the Blue Ice fermented CLO that I've been consuming now for a number of years, I do utilise many of the foods on this list but could certainly do with focusing on them a little more and adding some that I may be missing.

A bit more emphasis on gaining significant body surface area sun exposure and dental hygiene would probably also be a good idea.

Thanks again for this.  I'll try to remember to update the thread over time with any improvements just for the record.
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« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2010, 07:30:48 am »
Michael,
How did the eggshell experiment pan out?
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« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2010, 07:57:43 am »
raw-al, I've discontinued the practice for now and will be trying the homemade bonemeal instead.

I didn't notice any improvement with the egg shell but then probably didn't religiously stick to it for long enough.  My concern with it was also that, whilst they're high in Ca, they're NOT high in Mg.  Therefore, they're potentially causing further harm by unbalancing the critical Ca/Mg ratio if sufficient Mg is not obtained from elsewhere.  I did have a period of eating raw cacao for this reason (very high in Mg) which was only edible when eaten with raw honey.  Eventually I decided the whole practice was becoming farcical and far removed from true paleo principles.

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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2010, 12:42:30 am »
With my teeth healing at the forefront of my mind, I've been sporadically experimenting with grinding bones as directed by van as a source of Ca, Mg and other bone/teeth building minerals.  But, to be honest, I'm finding it quite a pain and don't know if it's something that I'll be able to consistently adhere to.

So, I keep coming back to this same issue - how to supply sufficient Ca/Mg on a VLC RPD diet.  I've been thinking about other sources of Ca/Mg and it appears that dried herbs can be a particularly good source.  Dried Coriander leaves, particularly, supply good quantities of Ca/Mg which are also in a good ratio.  According to NutritionData, 100g of dried coriander supplies Ca 1246mg and Mg 694mg.  I've been looking into the production methods of commercially bought dried herbs and it is possible that they're dried at low temperature to preserve the essential oils responsible for the wonderfully distinctive flavours.  I'm also considering the prospect of buying a commercial dehydrator to low temperature dry my own home-grown, remineralised bulk herbs which I think could serve as a potentially superb source of minerals (and possible business project).

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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2010, 01:12:30 am »
With my teeth healing at the forefront of my mind, I've been sporadically experimenting with grinding bones as directed by van as a source of Ca, Mg and other bone/teeth building minerals.  But, to be honest, I'm finding it quite a pain and don't know if it's something that I'll be able to consistently adhere to.

So, I keep coming back to this same issue - how to supply sufficient Ca/Mg on a VLC RPD diet.  I've been thinking about other sources of Ca/Mg and it appears that dried herbs can be a particularly good source.  Dried Coriander leaves, particularly, supply good quantities of Ca/Mg which are also in a good ratio.  According to NutritionData, 100g of dried coriander supplies Ca 1246mg and Mg 694mg.  I've been looking into the production methods of commercially bought dried herbs and it is possible that they're dried at low temperature to preserve the essential oils responsible for the wonderfully distinctive flavours.  I'm also considering the prospect of buying a commercial dehydrator to low temperature dry my own home-grown, remineralised bulk herbs which I think could serve as a potentially superb source of minerals (and possible business project).

Any thoughts?

Interesting that coriander leaves are what you arrived as a solution.
Personally I would not dry any herbs unless I had to. They are more potent and bioavailable by just taking them of the plant and into the palette.

However were I to do so I would cut them and hang them upside down in the house wherever fine herbs are hung.  ;D
Having said that Michael Tierra, C.A., N.D. who has written a few books on herbs that are considered to be well written, says:
"Most herbs should be dried in a warm, well-ventilated, dry environment, by spreading them out in a single layer on a wire mesh or screen. Daily turning will assure even drying and fine quality. Roots should be carefully washed, scraped and chopped into small pieces to assure uniform drying."
Then he says to store the in a dark glass or earthenware jar, They lose potency in six months.
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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #45 on: September 14, 2010, 08:30:51 am »
However were I to do so I would cut them and hang them upside down in the house wherever fine herbs are hung.  ;D
This is how my family has always dried herbs and it works fantastically. :)

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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2010, 09:04:45 am »
Michael,
I believe that back through the ages man has instinctively known what was best to heal his ills.

I heard a story a number of years ago about a Vaidya (Ayurvedic doctor) who was well known to be an exceptional herbalist. He was visiting America and happened to be walking by the American Cancer society headquarters, wherever that is. As he passed the building he noticed some weeds growing by the building, so he examined them and said that these are potent herbs for healing or curing cancer. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story, but I do believe that like animals in the forest there is an ability innate within us to self heal using things that are available around us. That ability lies dormant because we chose to let it. Nobody is preventing us from developing it. Big pharma ain't the problem... it's us.

That theory supports those of us who have somehow managed to find the diet that is working and making sense for us.
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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2010, 01:50:36 pm »
I thought about spices in the past too, but they are extremely expensive on a per .lb basis, so to eat 100g would not be economical. Plus, even fresh they aren't the kind of foods I'd want to eat 100g of. Marrow and tripe contain a lot of calcium.

Halibut, shellfish, tuna and smelt contain magnesium. Oysters and smelt also contain calcium.
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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2010, 11:51:44 pm »
I thought about spices in the past too, but they are extremely expensive on a per .lb basis, so to eat 100g would not be economical. Plus, even fresh they aren't the kind of foods I'd want to eat 100g of. Marrow and tripe contain a lot of calcium.

Halibut, shellfish, tuna and smelt contain magnesium. Oysters and smelt also contain calcium.

PP,
It may not be necessary to eat such large quantities of the herbs as you suggest. Volume does not equal effectiveness. Regular consumption will have a gradual and gentler effect with less toxic overload.

One issue with herbs and spices is that they lose punch with age, so what you buy in a grocery store is probably DOA and expensive. I find health food stores have fresher when in bulk and it can be better quality, and cheaper in bulk because most people are too lazy to use the bulk bins. It depends on the store. Usually small is more expensive.

The best is to grow your own.
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Re: Raw Omni + Tooth Healing
« Reply #49 on: September 15, 2010, 12:24:35 am »
Thanks for your thoughts and suggestions guys.

I agree that herbs can work out astronomically expensive when purchased in small quantities from health shops and similar establishments.  Fortunately, I have found an affordable supplier of bulk organic dried herbs which would make it a financially viable proposition.  Of course, this would only be necessary until I was in a position to grow and dry my own in bulk.  For producing sufficient quantities of reliable quality, I think commercial dehydrators are the only realistic method.

As far as quantity goes, I'd think 50g per day would be sufficient on the basis of the nutritional analysis I stated earlier and, particularly, when all the animal foods eaten are considered also.  I think this quantity is easily achievable.  Of course, eaten fresh would be preferable for many reasons but the Ca/Mg content dwindles significantly which would then require substantial volumes of herbs to be eaten.  I have no intention of becoming a herbivore!!  :)

Phil, does marrow contain a substantial proportion of Ca?  Do you have any analysis figures or studies indicating this as I've been unable to find anything?  I'm not sure if the fish you mentioned, or meat as previously mentioned, contains sufficient quantities.  Perhaps, ordinarily, these foods would be sufficient for others following RPD but I suspect my body requires larger amounts of these critical minerals due to historical problems with heavy metal poisoning, malabsorption etc.  I suspect my teeth wouldn't be suffering after 10 yrs eating this way were this not the case.  I also suspect, historically, foods no longer ordinarily consumed would've been the providers of these important minerals such as some of the more obscure animal parts, fish/seafood, blood, insects etc.

I'm trying to cover all the nutritional bases for repairing my teeth and avoiding future bone/teeth issues.  Vit A, D3, K1, MkIV K2 etc are simple enough.  It's the macro minerals I seem to struggle with!

I return to the dentist chair in a couple of days following my infection/antibiotic episode.  It will be to discuss tooth extraction OR reworking of the problematic old root canal to try to save the (dead) tooth.  I'm leaning towards extraction despite my existing lack of teeth in those quarters of my mouth.
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