H. Pylori :(

[aunaturale]

Hello RPF members

I was diagnosed with H. pylori infection one week ago. I have lost
about 30 solid pounds of weight and been having severe gastritis/bloating
to a lot of foods I wouldn't normally react to in the past

This steady drop in weight occurred in a two-year period, slowly.
I have seen two doctors and one gastro who finally came up with
the diagnosis.

Does anyone have advice about what I can do to stabilize this
menace? I have read about 30 testimonials claiming mastic
gum is a sure-fire way to keep it under control? any thoughts?

[RawZi]

    There are a number of diets that will rid you of your pylori problem, given the chance.  What are you doing for it so far?  How are you eating?

    Welcome

[aunaturale]

I am on a fully raw diet. Organic vegetable juice (celery, cucumber, parsley
cabbage) daily.

Raw grass-fed free range lamb which includes its fat. Roughly eating two
pounds a day. soon to buy organic organ meats
from northstar
I had to eliminate gluten and casein... damn do I miss
raw goats milk :/  For carbs I eat brown rice and quinoa

I have not treated myself for pylori yet but will most likely buy mastic gum
tomorrow.

[goodsamaritan]

Many ways to deal with tummy pain.
No one is certain if that diagnosis is accurate.

Things I know that have worked for me or other people:
- herbal colon cleansing and liver flushes
- fully cooked fatty pork for 1 day or 2 days
- Dr. Henry Bieler's soup
- zapping with a hulda clark zapper any variant
- herbal dewormer / parasite cleanser

[RawZi]

    I don't know anything about mastic gum.  Gums are fibers, right?  Hmm.

    You got the pylori beFore you started eating raw, I assume?  Pylori I believe they say cause ulcers.  Do you have ulcers?  Is that how you found out?  

    I don't think I was tested for which bacteria, but close to twenty years ago I got stomach ulcers, and when they got out of control, I treated them with diet as I read in Balch's Prescription for Nutritional Healing.  It worked fast. I was strict veg.  Balch's remedy kind of had Bieler's soup as an integral part of it.

    A couple of years earlier than that, I was teaching Ann Wigmore's program, and a student, an older woman had duodenal ulcers.  With our help, on energy soup, her ulcers healed quickly.  She came to us from cooked (Island food).

    My son have had stomach trouble for about eight years (vegan that whole time).  Acupunture helped him.  Adding raw biodynamic butter and unheated honey to his diet and a few other dietary changes, and within a couple of months he finally got off stomach medication, and is still off, and happy about that.

    I have heard raw kefir replenishes intestinal flora and overcomes the more hurtful bacterias.  I have heard unheated honey can.  I believe highmeats might be very beneficial for this.  I do think raw meat will help you.  Maybe it will take longer than you like, but I believe it will get your intestines functioning best.

    Green juices clean the intestines in my experience, see how it goes.

    To put on weight, it may help you to mix a raw egg in your green juice.

    Have you tried raw eggs?  I'm not sure specifically how they are with pylori, but they can be very easy and quick to digest and healing to weak intestines.

[ys]

Few years ago I went to the doc regarding my concerns of poor digestion and absorption.  The doc did bunch of tests and declared that I have H.Pylori.  He gave me antibiotics for about a month.

You know what, I regret listening to him.  The antibiotics screwd up my bowel for about 3 months and did not do any improvements.
I did some search on H.Pylori and found out that it is mostly hype and speculation at best.  It is controversial and inconculsive.  And there are claims that half world's populations have it.  It is very convinient to blaim it on H.P. 
It is all about money.  The doc got paid and drug company got paid, evryone is happy, except I.

I highly doubt your issues have anything to do with H.P.  I'm convinced mine were not.

Another thing, doctors appears to be completely useless treating these kind of conditions.

[William]

People who eat raw zero carb don't get H. Pylori, or any other such disease, so I would assume that if you tried that diet the H. Pylori problem would disappear.

[aunaturale]

If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception 

these are a couple studies which show the link between halitosis and pylori......
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12090454
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=229963

their are numerous testimonials from a forum (not raw foods) which states
mastic gum has helped TREmendously for people with gastrointestinal problems
here is the website:
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/helicobacter-pylori/TK288CTNHUNHA1M1A

[aunaturale]

I completely agree with what ys said about antibiotics.
In my two years of bad health I have discovered a world of truth

truths about health, nutrition politics religion.... on and on and on

but going back... antibiotics are and WILL never be an answer for any illness
for every antibiotic out there is always a natural alternative which
scientists have "patented"

remember, its all about the $

[RawZi]

    For me, my body can be a delicate chemistry.  Not so much now, that I'm a little stronger, but still it is.  What diet program were you following when you developed these problems, the Weston Price Foundation's typical diet?  Have you tried zero carb for long periods at a time?  The germ theory and typical supplements work to some degree for people who are following SAD.  Antibiotics, supplements and any kind of plant fiber at all could be 101% wrong for many WOE's.  I'm not saying not to do the gum, but I'd like to see you get the best here.  Have you read the child boards here yet?  I think it will help more if you make an introduction and read through others' introductions.  Then we can give you suggestions that better go along with where you're at, and members who maybe followed the same diets will respond more.

If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception 

these are a couple studies which show the link between halitosis and pylori......
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12090454
http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&therow=229963

their are numerous testimonials from a forum (not raw foods) which states
mastic gum has helped TREmendously for people with gastrointestinal problems
here is the website:
http://www.topix.com/forum/health/helicobacter-pylori/TK288CTNHUNHA1M1A

[William]

If H. pylori doesn't cause trouble in the body aka "bacteria theory" per aajonus's writings...
then what may have caused my dramatic weight loss (30 lbs)

Possible ulcer? adrenal failure
It seems that all these allergies from foods over the years
has caused my body to shut down. I am steadily going bald,
have no sex drive whatsoever, and my breath smells like roadkill.
This has all taken place and I'm only 21!

Believe me I'd like to think that pylori doesnt pose a problem in people
but I may be an exception 

Only roadkill? Lucky you - in the early years of whatever caused my heart disease, my breath smelled worse than the foulest sewer. I thought there was something dead inside me. No sex drive and hair losss (me too, for a few years) and weight loss just means that you are sick, diagnosis is not helping. Carbs never helped me; in fact completely stopping carbs is when the heart problem disappeared, after trying everything else.

Allergies are supposed to be caused by mineral deficiencies. Raw veggies all contain nutrient blockers, which guarantee that you will never be free of mineral deficiencies/allergies.

I still think raw zero carb is your best bet, but this also worked for me when I got stupid and ate SAD and had a stroke: www.healself.org

[aunaturale]

    For me, my body can be a delicate chemistry.  Not so much now, that I'm a little stronger, but still it is.  What diet program were you following when you developed these problems, the Weston Price Foundation's typical diet?  Have you tried zero carb for long periods at a time?  The germ theory and typical supplements work to some degree for people who are following SAD.  Antibiotics, supplements and any kind of plant fiber at all could be 101% wrong for many WOE's.  I'm not saying not to do the gum, but I'd like to see you get the best here.  Have you read the child boards here yet?  I think it will help more if you make an introduction and read through others' introductions.  Then we can give you suggestions that better go along with where you're at, and members who maybe followed the same diets will respond more.

I ate a clean diet of eggs cooked meat chicken tuna.. I had eliminated pastuerized milk
about 3 years ago after I read an article on mercolas. I was eating wheat sandwiches at the time
but not on a daily basis.

At this point, I think my best option is to continue raw beef lamb and fat... minimize veggie juices
and take mastic gum... Ive made it this far, what have I got to lose

if people can cure themselves of cancer and other "incurable" diseases who's to say I cant!

thank you for your help RawZi. the names Luke

[aunaturale]

Only roadkill? Lucky you - in the early years of whatever caused my heart disease, my breath smelled worse than the foulest sewer. I thought there was something dead inside me. No sex drive and hair losss (me too, for a few years) and weight loss just means that you are sick, diagnosis is not helping. Carbs never helped me; in fact completely stopping carbs is when the heart problem disappeared, after trying everything else.

Allergies are supposed to be caused by mineral deficiencies. Raw veggies all contain nutrient blockers, which guarantee that you will never be free of mineral deficiencies/allergies.

I still think raw zero carb is your best bet, but this also worked for me when I got stupid and ate SAD and had a stroke: www.healself.org

Having pylori is the toughest ailment to accomplish in my eyes... the bug
shuts down your bodys stomach acid and you all know that something like that
can only lead to trouble...

there are probably over 50+ "diseases" that are caused by vitamin/mineral deficiencies
not including the allowable passage of parasites and candida to thrive...

if you dont mind me asking.. what specific foods are you eating at this time Will?
thanks for the website... knowledge shall set you free 

[William]

if you dont mind me asking.. what specific foods are you eating at this time Will?
thanks for the website... knowledge shall set you free 

Pemmican and raw egg yolk is staple, occasionally any kind of meat,  browned outside if it is ground beef.

[aunaturale]

Pemmican and raw egg yolk is staple, occasionally any kind of meat,  browned outside if it is ground beef.

If the fat is rendered, how is it in any way advantageous from its raw form?
I assume that you have an allergy towards egg white?

what are your thoughts on organ meats?

[RawZi]

I ate a clean diet of eggs cooked meat chicken tuna.. I had eliminated pastuerized milk
about 3 years ago after I read an article on mercolas. I was eating wheat sandwiches at the time but not on a daily basis.

    The meat wasn't raw I assume.  The eggs as well I assume.  The tuna was canned I assume, even if albacore dolphin safe and packed in olive oil and/or spring water.  I assume the milk may have been organic grain fed.  

    In my case my problem may have been from the wheat.  When I had my ulcers, judging by that B vitamins and organic cereals gave me the most immediate pains.  I'm actually figuring out more, thinking back to even after the ulcers were gone after that and wheat, thanks!  Were you drinking water, and if so, what kind?  Did you eat at regular hours?

At this point, I think my best option is to continue raw beef lamb and fat... minimize veggie juices
and take mastic gum... Ive made it this far, what have I got to lose

    You may have a lot to lose, I wouldn't know your position well enough to give an answer to you.  Shouldn't hurt to try the gum, and hopefully it will help.  There are fibers and sugars in certain fresh mushrooms that help some people in some situations a lot.  There are lots of people out there that swear by various fibers.    

if people can cure themselves of cancer and other "incurable" diseases who's to say I cant!

     Sounds good and true.  I won't say you can't.  You likely can.

thank you for your help RawZi. the names Luke

    You're welcome , Luke.

    RawZi

[William]

If the fat is rendered, how is it in any way advantageous from its raw form?

It does not make me run to the toilet, as raw fat does.

I assume that you have an allergy towards egg white?

No, I just don't think that it is food, and it has avidin which destroys B vitamins.

what are your thoughts on organ meats?

I let my stomach do the thinking on that, and I feel no urge to eat them. The fortnightly 1/2 lb. liver seems to make no difference.

[aunaturale]

The meat wasn't raw I assume.  The eggs as well I assume.  The tuna was canned I assume, even if albacore dolphin safe and packed in olive oil and/or spring water.  I assume the milk may have been organic grain fed. 

    In my case my problem may have been from the wheat.  When I had my ulcers, judging by that B vitamins and organic cereals gave me the most immediate pains.  I'm actually figuring out more, thinking back to even after the ulcers were gone after that and wheat, thanks!  Were you drinking water, and if so, what kind?  Did you eat at regular hours?

    You may have a lot to lose, I wouldn't know your position well enough to give an answer to you.  Shouldn't hurt to try the gum, and hopefully it will help.  There are fibers and sugars in certain fresh mushrooms that help some people in some situations a lot.  There are lots of people out there that swear by various fibers.   

Meat was cooked as well as the eggs. Milk was pasteurized non organic. Tuna canned.
Ate 3 solid meals a day.  I'm still trying to figure out how and why pylori came into
play and the claim that half the worlds population has it and have no symptoms.
Maybe this was my destiny, right. I'm here now. On a raw forum ha! I would've never thought
about raw if this never happened.

anyways, I Drank reverse osmosis water. 8 glasses of water in one day was a feat for me...
my body doesn't have an "appetite" for it  what's your take on 8 glasses?

[jessica]

RO water is pretty dead tasting to me, it doesnt really quench thirst, if you can get some good minerals, a little pinch of good salt or if you can stand it some kelp/seaweed to put in there itd probably be beneficial

i used to drink RO water for years but found the most delicious stream up a hill where the water filters through rock and some algae, i drink less of it but feel less thirsty as well, if i run out and have to drink RO i feel drained/diluted and thirsty...i dont know?

[aunaturale]

Simply, it doesn't quench ones thirst. You wouldn't find
reverse osmosis in nature, right!

Damn, is there anything that man has tampered with!!!!!
Stream water I can get a taste for

[TylerDurden]

With regard to bacterial infestation, the usual approach of RVAFers would be to counter it by ingesting huge amounts of bacteria so as to provide a more healthy balance. Of course that would mean eating "high-meat" which many RVAF newbies take longer to get used to the taste of by comparison to fresh raw muscle-meats.

[Hannibal]

H. Pylori is beneficial!

"In 1996, Martin J. Blaser advanced the hypothesis that H. pylori has a beneficial effect: by regulating the acidity of the stomach contents.[25][51] The hypothesis is not universally accepted as several randomized controlled trials failed to demonstrate worsening of acid reflux disease symptoms following eradication of H. pylori.[52][53] Nevertheless, Blaser has refined his view to assert that H. pylori is a member of the normal flora of the stomach.[54] He postulates that the changes in gastric physiology caused by the loss of H. pylori account for the recent increase in incidence of several diseases, including type 2 diabetes, obesity, and asthma.[54][55] His group has recently shown that H. pylori colonization is associated with a lower incidence of childhood asthma."

some other articles -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1618379/?tool=pmcentrez
http://gut.bmj.com/content/57/5/561

[aunaturale]

With regard to bacterial infestation, the usual approach of RVAFers would be to counter it by ingesting huge amounts of bacteria so as to provide a more healthy balance. Of course that would mean eating "high-meat" which many RVAF newbies take longer to get used to the taste of by comparison to fresh raw muscle-meats.

I had a piece of "high meat" last week (about 3 days aged), bit into it and jumped out of my seat!
It had a alcohol-type savor in my mouth...

is this normal and ok to continue eating?

[djr_81]

I had a piece of "high meat" last week (about 3 days aged), bit into it and jumped out of my seat!
It had a alcohol-type savor in my mouth...

is this normal and ok to continue eating?

Others can confirm but there's no way the meat could have been "high" after just three days. Even when cultured outside of a cold environment (fridge) it still would take at least a week to be noticeably high IMO.
I'm not sure why the meat tasted that way.

[aunaturale]

H. Pylori is beneficial!

Hannibal, according to Aajonus' experience when working with raw food
and "bacteria theory" he states that salmonella, E. coli and other various bugs
which cause deaths from food poisoning are indeed healthy for the body...

the only thing is is that if it comes from cooked foods it becomes toxic!
At this point I fully agree with what he says. I am two weeks into my raw diet
and have not experienced any discomfort or diarrhea. For some reason
maybe I created a way for the pylori to thrive and take over, such as candida overgrowth patients
you may have heard about. Change the environment and microbes and bacteria start
working with you, not against.

so I will take in what I know, follow the diet faithfully and jump on a one-month trial of
mastic gum to control the pylori not eradicate. Everything has its place in the world... to
eradicate a microbe that is a part of you, is essentially killing yourself.