Does Aajonus mention eating back fat?

[roony]

It just would be nice to have something to look at when he's spouting out claims. He makes a lot of money on his books and consultations, he has plenty of motive to make up research results.

He does cite his research, read his we want to live, or recipe for living, but he lists the authors & books which contains the research he talks about


Most alternative practitioners, do exactly the same thing, ie chek, schulze, biser etc., they dont cite their research, quite possibly for legal reasons


Also he's not exactly recommending expensive drugs, with serious side effects, its just honey, dairy etc., if it doesnt work for you dont take it, even if he did cite the sources, it wouldnt change the fact it doesnt work for you

Ultimately health is about your own body & what it responds to, no amount of research is going to change that

[goodsamaritan]

Thumbs up!

[TylerDurden]

That's an interesting statement, since only two states in the entire USA can legally retail raw dairy but you can get raw bodyfat in every state (afaik). My belief is he endorses it because it's tastier, and maybe he's making up this other reason because he himself is hooked on dairy and wants a reason other then that to endorse it.

  That's what I've always thought. Getting people to do a raw meat diet is pretty difficult, so that's why he recommends so much raw dairy/raw honey/raw nuts/raw coconut cream which most SAD-dieters don't have a problem with  re taste.

[RawZi]

... he recommends so much raw dairy/raw honey/raw nuts/raw coconut cream which ...

    I hit the "jackpot".  He only recommended animal foods to me, two-three fruit and three pure green vegetable juices to me, no coconut nor nuts (nor bread).  He actually said I need more meat than people who have more of certain hormones.  He told me to eat two full meat meals per day every day.

[Raw Kyle]

   I hit the "jackpot".  He only recommended animal foods to me, two-three fruit and three pure green vegetable juices to me, no coconut nor nuts (nor bread).  He actually said I need more meat than people who have more of certain hormones.  He told me to eat two full meat meals per day every day.

How lucky. Maybe if you rolled the dice again and he didn't remember you from before he'd say something else? That would be a good experiment to see if he's accurate and precise in his prognoses.

[RawZi]

How lucky. Maybe if you rolled the dice again and he didn't remember you from before he'd say something else? That would be a good experiment to see if he's accurate and precise in his prognoses.

    LOL he probably never remembers me.  I think he's too busy analyzing the hands for hormones, the irises, the general body structure etc.

    Did he recommend too much honey and butter to you?  

    I don't think his diet is perfect.  I do know it's best for me for now.  I like raw paleo.  That's why I'm here.  In the future I may cut out the dairy from my diet completely, no matter if it becomes more available or not.  I don't know.

    Who am I to say, that just cause eating coconut doesn't do enough for me, or maybe even is bad for me, that coconut cream is not helping the next guy to heal?  I'm just me.  I'm not them.  

    I've been to so many different types of healers and seers.  I've spent so many thousands of dollars to them, and some were free.  Anyway, for me, what he said about me made sense.  

    If I get another consult, if it's interesting, I'll write about it.

[Raw Kyle]

I didn't have a consult with him, when I say "he recommended" I mean in his book. In his books he makes blanket recommendations to people.

I just can't shake the feeling that there's something "wrong" with the whole AV Primal Diet thing. His general shadyness, the claims (50 or whatever heart attacks as a child?). My dad had a heart attack, you don't survive 50 of those. It just seems so strange, and the whole obsession with dairy thing. Yet I wonder why, he doesn't own stock in big dairy or anything.

[RawZi]

My dad had a heart attack, you don't survive 50 of those. ... Yet I wonder why, he doesn't own stock in big dairy or anything.

    I have no idea why he doesn't own stock.  I have no idea about him  heart attacks either.  I don't remember reading anything about him and heart attacks, nor him talking about it.  I believe it's possible.  I told doctors for six years that my son was stopping breathing every few minutes every time he slept.  The doctors thought I must be making it up, and waiting six year to do a sleep study.  Finally they did a 313 minute sleep study on him.  They told me if he stopped breathing 50 times, that would be extreme, and very dangerous.  That people die all the time from that.  Well, the results of the sleep study came in, and it detailed that in 313 minutes, he stopped breathing 300 times.  They had never seen that before.  They said they don't know why he's alive.  They don't know how he gets himself to breath again so many times.  So as I see it, many things are possible, that we have just never seen.

    Maybe this is what got me interested in reading AV's book and then trying his diet.  What he wrote, if true, is outrageous.  My life has been outrageous in more ways than what I wrote.  Since crazy stuff happens to me, well, it's kind of like there's a kinship.  I feel an understanding deeper than I see elsewhere, in how I need.

    Oh, and the raw homemade unpasteurized grassfed kefir, it's the first thing that's actually reduced my son's number of apnea episodes.  Raw vegan didn't help, raw fruitarian didn't help, Living Food Lifestyle didn't help it, and a huge list of other things didn't put a dent in it either.  Hopefully he won't always need dairy and will be well on his own without it.  In the meanwhile, it's giving him a chance.  You don't need aajonus' knowledge, but I do.  Different paths for different situations.  Raw milk helps other people too though, that don't have apnea, there's all kinds of situations.

    While we're on the topic of fat in the primal diet section, I used suet yesterday, and today my hands are cold like when I use olive oil.  The butter always helps the temperature of my hands.

[cherimoya_kid]

     Hopefully he won't always need dairy and will be well on his own without it.

I thought that the only animal product your son is currently eating is dairy. Is that not true?

[RawZi]

I thought that the only animal product your son is currently eating is dairy. Is that not true?

    I'm hoping he will start eating fish and meat (for his health), and that it will work.  I know he can't handle cooked meat.  He's had really bad allergic reactions to it before when he ate half a bite of cooked meat by accident (24 hour vomiting they had to give him cancer med to stop it long enough for an mri).  Even he thinks he could tolerate (healthwise) cooked fish, but doesn't plan to try.  He has not tried any raw flesh yet nor cooked fish.  Bringing you back up to now, he's eating grassfed rennetless A2 raw dairy, has been for about 7-8 months, and if you count (unheated) honey.  He's not interested in crickets (yet) and he's averse to eggs and wants definitely to never eat eggs.  So, in short, it is true, from animal products he's only eating dairy currently.

[William]

If he ever tries raw, I suggest somewhat dried, like a soft jerky.
Those who can't tolerate fresh meat can often eat dried with no ill effects. I do it 3 hours at 95F, early times yet for this.

[cherimoya_kid]

   I'm hoping he will start eating fish and meat (for his health), and that it will work.  I know he can't handle cooked meat.  He's had really bad allergic reactions to it before when he ate half a bite of cooked meat by accident (24 hour vomiting they had to give him cancer med to stop it long enough for an mri).  Even he thinks he could tolerate (healthwise) cooked fish, but doesn't plan to try.  He has not tried any raw flesh yet nor cooked fish.  Bringing you back up to now, he's eating grassfed rennetless A2 raw dairy, has been for about 7-8 months, and if you count (unheated) honey.  He's not interested in crickets (yet) and he's averse to eggs and wants definitely to never eat eggs.  So, in short, it is true, from animal products he's only eating dairy currently.

You raised him vegan, didn't you?

[RawZi]

If he ever tries raw, I suggest somewhat dried, like a soft jerky.
Those who can't tolerate fresh meat can often eat dried with no ill effects. I do it 3 hours at 95F, early times yet for this.

    I suggested it to him, and he said if he ever hunts, he would eat his fill at the spot.  Then he said he would dry the rest at very low temperature and smoke some, do something to make the rest last long.  He's explaining a lot to me right now as I write.  He is asking questions too about what's healthy, as far as making the rest of the carcass keep longer.

[RawZi]

You raised him vegan, didn't you?

    We ate kale salads, wild fruit, munched seaweed, I sprouted, I cultured tempeh, we didn't use seasoning etc.  We used natural medicines (chiropractic etc).  He didn't know the word vegan.  I wasn't ridiculous about it, one time he was in an accident and I had to stay at an out of town hospital so I ate some ... I think it was scallops (small portion), and he knew.  I needed protein.  I knew a potato wouldn't cut it.  From when he was very little my friends were vegetarian and he asked me how he could be vegetarian too.  I told him by only eating things that don't involve the death of an animal.  So he became vegetarian there (consciously).  I gave him grassfed (albeit salted) cheese (rennetless) a couple of times, he knew what it was and loved it.  A neighbor gave him a cookie that had eggs in it, he got a fever from that.  Later on he got into zero over fat (no inshellalmonds flaxseeds virgin olive oil nor avocados etc), vegan etc and told me to as well.  Someone gave him a flyer about animal rights.  He asked me if I knew about veal calves and I told him yes and he got really angry that I hadn't told him before.  It took a few years for him to for give me for not telling him about the calves.  

    He did get medical checkups, and was always healthy, until this illness that started almost ten years ago, and the doctors wouldn't believe he was sick; because he was more muscular than many other kids his age.