How to Create REAL Raw Paleo Honey

[roony]

After researching my material into the deleterous effects of honey, I realised the honey combs & honey sold today is UNFIT for consumption

The main fact i realised is the lack of a queen bee in modern hives, without a queen bee, royal jelly & grubs are severely reduced, the main components of honey

Because of the chronic low levels of royal jelly, protein from grubs & lack of wax which contains & stores the propolis & pollen,  without them honey is simply a high concentration of sugar


I've found a way round this & we can quite easily create a honey almost as close to raw wild honey


Using my research i created what I call the Raw Paleo Honey Recipe


The Raw Paleo Honey Recipe is ...

All bee keepers & farms, who grow their honey by hand, sell the stuff they scrape off the frame by hand as Wax Clippings

These wax clipping contain high amounts of pollen & propolis


You can also buy the Royal Jelly from bee farms who specialise in raising queen bee's

Royal jelly contains massive amounts of protein from bee grubs or larvae


Also you can buy freeze dried pollen



Combine the above & you have a honey high in protein from bee grubs & tons of wax & pollen & royal jelly, as close as to raw wild honey


All this WITHOUT the high sugar & glycemic index of honey



The raw paleo honey recipe, wax clippings, royal jelly, freeze dried pollen, dipped in small amounts of raw honey

[goodsamaritan]

Huh?  Missing queen bee in honey farms?

Somehow that is not the practice in the Philippines in the 2 honey farms I visited and in the honey making class session I attended.

[roony]

In framed hives, they keep the queen bee seperate

[goodsamaritan]

In the class I attended, the teacher showed that the queen bee was free to move about in the whole box / home they had.  This teacher was a caucasian American from the USA on visit after a honey makers convention.

[roony]

hmm, basically the honey grows on thin frames, which the farmer pulls out, in sections of frames, the queen bee is kept under the hive

This way the frames & sections the farmer pulls out, never comes in contact with the queen bee, royal jelly, or the protein from the grubs etc


In a natural hive, the hive is basically round, all sections of the honey come in contact with the queen bee & the larvae etc.,


In a box of frames. the only sections which come in contact with the queen bee, are the last few frames, right at the back of the hive


This is why honey is bad for you, the honey aajonus is talking about comes from natural round hives, growing on tree's  ... in friggin PRISTINE environments !!!


I basically cant be bothered to import in wild honeycomb, as its impossible to tell the quality

Most importantly, you cant control the levels of royal jelly & grubs in your honey, as farmers & bee keepers, dont specialise in maximising the content of royal jelly & protein


Which is why its much easier & healthier, to make your own & use the Raw Paleo Honey recipe, to make super high quality honey

[roony]

From my notes, they basically use a queen bee excluder,  a wire grid or metal sheet, to prevent the queen bee from moving around, so all the eggs & honeygrubs stay in one position in the hive behind the wire grid or sheet of metal or excluder

Note where it says "with no eggs or larvae mixed in it.", also a major note a large portion of the wax which contains the propolis & pollen is never put into the honey, its recycled back into the hive ...


The eggs & larvae, along with the royal jelly & a large of portion of wax are excluded & nothing is mixed with the rest of honey in the frame, leading to the massive high sugar index of honey, it needs the eggs, larvae, the royal jelly & the wax to dilute the sugar content & in order have any of the beneficial effects, aajonus talks about


http://www.bedfordshirebeekeepers.org.uk/page8.htm

"It’s a good idea to separate stored honey from developing brood with young bees in it. If they are mixed you have a problem removing honey without killing brood. The solution, another 19C invention, is the “queen excluder”. This consists of a wire grid or a metal sheet with many accurately measured holes in it. A queen bee is just a fraction wider than a worker and she cannot get through a queen excluder. Therefore all her egg laying happens below the excluder and all the space above, to which the workers can come and go easily, is used for honey storage with no eggs or larvae mixed in it.

One of the advantages of movable combs in frames is that the honey can be extracted in a centrifuge without destroying the wax comb. The frames of comb can be used over and over again, refilled by the bees without the need to rebuild all that expensive wax."


So in trying to find out why honey is so bad, it turns out modern bee farmers & their hive, techniques are to blame for the pure sugar content of honey


Leading to the poor effect's we've been facing with honey, as recommended by aajonus


Hmm, ordering some royal jelly, wax clippings or honey cappings & freeze dried pollen & some honey comb, to make the raw paleo honey recipe


After two days of research i can now eat honey safely .....

[majormark]

roony,

Have you experimented with different proportions of wax clippings, royal jelly, freeze dried pollen?

Can you estimate an ideal distribution of these in a real raw honey?

[roony]

good question,

i'd say a small amount of wax clippings/honey caps, one to three caps, & half a teaspoon of royal jelly & plenty of pollen on top, probably about one or two teaspoons

add a small chunk of honey comb & you've got some great nutritious honey, which hopefully because of its low sugar content & the special bee insulin in the royal jelly, should work exceeding well, as kipling says lol


The royal jelly is pretty concentrated so you only need small amounts

You need to keep the frozen pollen in the freezer & the royal jelly frozen, & the jelly you want to eat for the day in the fridge, as they only last a couple of days, or dry out very quickly


I also found out the wax they recycle usually contains pesticides & pollutants if they recycle it a few times, even more important to stay away from extracted honey, most liquid honeys in jars are extracted


You can also add propolis powder or even better propolis extract, the wax clippings/honey caps, contain propolis too, propolis contains alot of the anti bacterial contents of honey


I find honey on a slice of freshly opened coconut dipped in cream & bee pollen, tastes great

The coconut somehow negates alot of the sugar in the honey, interesting & taste great too

[roony]

roony,

Have you experimented with different proportions of wax clippings, royal jelly, freeze dried pollen?

Can you estimate an ideal distribution of these in a real raw honey?

The ideal distribution would be tons of honeygrubs, in real raw honey, we have to make do with the royal jelly containing the proteins etc., from the queen bee & larvae, you could add grubs of your own to the honey

You can grow bee larvae, or buy them, i need to look up how to do that without them making a hive out of my bedroom tho ...

[PaleoPhil]

.... One of the advantages of movable combs in frames is that the honey can be extracted in a centrifuge without destroying the wax comb. The frames of comb can be used over and over again, refilled by the bees without the need to rebuild all that expensive wax."

So in trying to find out why honey is so bad, it turns out modern bee farmers & their hive, techniques are to blame for the pure sugar content of honey

Leading to the poor effect's we've been facing with honey, as recommended by aajonus ....

I've heard Aajonus say that he doesn't recommend centrifuged honey, as the centrifuging process heats it above the temp he recommends (which he states is 93 F in Recipe for Living Without Disease). Instead he recommended hand-packed honey. On the other hand, Brady reported remarkable results from likely centrifuged honey, so do you think it could be that the mild heating from centrifuging is not as damaging as Aajonus thinks?

[Wolf]

I just found this honey at the store which is absolutely delicious and I have been eating it like everyday now:

[kurite]

I just found this honey at the store which is absolutely delicious and I have been eating it like everyday now:

Damn it! I love that brands honey I didn't realize they sold it with bee polen and royal jelly added. This entire time Ive been getting just raw honey from them. Thanks

[Wolf]

Damn it! I love that brands honey I didn't realize they sold it with bee polen and royal jelly added. This entire time Ive been getting just raw honey from them. Thanks

No problem!  And it's absolutely delicious and very rich in taste.  =D  I grabbed it up when I saw it had royal jelly in it AND it's raw, because I've wanted to try royal jelly, and I'm glad I did, it tastes so good!

[sven]

that honey looks awesome I'll order some.  Yo pretty sure wolves don't eat honey, just sayin'...

[Wolf]

I know, lol, but right now I'm trying to concentrate on eating a diet which will keep me from breaking out and help my acne go away, so I'm not really following a Wolf diet.. and it doesn't help that I can't find any good sources of grass-fed fat or grass-fed marrow or grass-fed liver.  Plus this stuff just tastes delicious.. and bears eat honey, too, which seems alright to me.  And who knows, Wolves might eat honey too sometimes, if they can get at it.  Wolves just can't climb trees, so it's not like they can get it themselves.

And this super enriched honey that I found, it tastes very familiar, like I've eaten something that tastes like it before.. almost like caramel or something.. I don't know, but it's absolutely delicious.

[Wolf]

I've just bought some bee pollen alone when I went to visit family in Arizona, and they had a store with local honeys.. which also sold bee pollen.  After trying this straight bee pollen, I've realized that the main taste in that super enriched honey I posted before is the taste of bee pollen.. which is absolutely delicious when mixed and sweetened with honey.

[CitrusHigh]

I know, lol, but right now I'm trying to concentrate on eating a diet which will keep me from breaking out and help my acne go away, so I'm not really following a Wolf diet.. and it doesn't help that I can't find any good sources of grass-fed fat or grass-fed marrow or grass-fed liver.  Plus this stuff just tastes delicious.. and bears eat honey, too, which seems alright to me.  And who knows, Wolves might eat honey too sometimes, if they can get at it.  Wolves just can't climb trees, so it's not like they can get it themselves.

And this super enriched honey that I found, it tastes very familiar, like I've eaten something that tastes like it before.. almost like caramel or something.. I don't know, but it's absolutely delicious.

You're trying to heal your acne by eating concentrated sugar? I would be rofl if I hadn't been in the same exact position doing the same exact thing 2 years back!

Give the honey a rest until your body has healed of the candida! For rills! I've been there, and now I'm in control of my health. You want those painful, ugly, embarrassing infections to go away and stay away? Quit eating grains, or any carbs and focus on raw fats and proteins, period. You should also be eating TONS of raw brightly colored, non root veggies. Trusssss me, I been der and that shite isn't fun. Theres a light at the end of the tunnel but you gotta stay away from sugars and starches, I promise!

[HIT_it_RAW]

You're trying to heal your acne by eating concentrated sugar? I would be rofl if I hadn't been in the same exact position doing the same exact thing 2 years back!

Give the honey a rest until your body has healed of the candida! For rills! I've been there, and now I'm in control of my health. You want those painful, ugly, embarrassing infections to go away and stay away? Quit eating grains, or any carbs and focus on raw fats and proteins, period. You should also be eating TONS of raw brightly colored, non root veggies. Trusssss me, I been der and that shite isn't fun. Theres a light at the end of the tunnel but you gotta stay away from sugars and starches, I promise!

I've had acne all my life and finally on rpd its gone. I get flare ups if I cheat and eat grains or sugar(rarely). But honey doesn't do that at all. In fact it helps. Raw carbs don't seem to affect my acne just cooked ones. Maybe your honey wasn't 100% raw?

[PaleoPhil]

In my case even unheated, hand-packed 100% raw honey can trigger acne if I eat too much of it, but strangely, not as much as raw organic fruits. One only needs to search a low-carb forum to find that there are plenty of other people who report that there acne cleared up when the cut down on the carbs, even raw carbs like fruits. Interestingly, it seems like I get a bit less acne from fermented raw honey than from unfermented raw honey like the YS Organic Bee Farms Super Enriched honey pictured above, but I still do get it if I go overboard.

Then there are also folks who eat high fruit diets and have their acne clear up. It seems to depend on the individual.

And in my case a wolf diet cleared up my acne and the more I eat like a wolf the better I avoid new outbreaks. The downside of the wolf diet for me is not acne, but constipation. Lex, on the other hand, only had temporary constipation from a wolf diet and is fine now. In my case I had pre-existing GI issues, so it's not surprising that they continued. I've learned from all this not to apply my personal experience to everyone else, because there are others whose experience has been quite different from mine.

[achillezzz]

anybody knows if raw honey raises insulin?
and is it healthy to eat it in huge ammounts?

[CitrusHigh]

oOoo new diet! Wolf diet? Coolness!

Yeah, I'm not saying that some people can't handle raw honey with acne, but IMHO the evidence is pretty stacked against the stuff, and since it is not essential to the healing process, why take the chance? Of course if you have already eliminated honey from your diet for a long period of time or over several periods and noticed consistently that it doesn't exacerbate acne infections, then go for it! But if you haven't I highly recommendo.

[nicole]

i tried eating raw honey and it took a whole month for my teethache to go away.

[PaleoPhil]

As for glucose and insulin raising, again, it all depends on the individual. Raw honey raises my blood glucose quite a bit, which presumably causes the insulin to rise in response, though it usually normalizes again within a couple hours and not everyone's blood glucose is raised by honey, apparently. The degree to which people's BG rises also varies. Only way to know for sure is to get a meter and measure your own BG.

As for whether eating raw honey in huge amounts is healthy, that probably depends on a number of factors, though I would be careful with it, especially until you get a sense for how you handle it. In my case I get acne, dental problems and other issues if I eat too much. The most honey I've read of a hunter-gatherer tribe eating was 20% of calories from honey. Some settled traditional peoples that store honey and make mead probably eat more, particularly if you count the mead. If I didn't know how I fared on honey, I would research it myself and err on the side of caution by starting out with small amounts or none and I wouldn't let it crowd out my consumption of pastured/wild organs, meat/fish and animal fat, but I could be misguided. Does any guru recommend large amounts of honey other than Aajonus?

[HIT_it_RAW]

Does any guru recommend large amounts of honey other than Aajonus?

It has been praised as a wonderful healing food since the ancient Egyptians.

[p0wer]

It has been prised as a wonderful healing food since the ancient Egyptians.

Yeah but still, I haven't heard it being recommended for daily consumption in large amounts.
I myself would always take fruit over honey; any fruit will be more nutritious than the equivalent amount of honey (equivalent in terms of sugar).
It might be better as a healing food though, as there's no fiber so much easier on digestion, and it gives energy quickly (well it's basically sugar). But if you're not sick, I don't see the point.