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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2010, 05:28:06 am »
Here's another one about rodent endocrinology...

For the first time, terminally ill rodents with type-1 diabetes have been restored to complete health with a single injection of a substance other than insulin.
University of Texas Southwestern (UTS) researchers tested for the first time whether an injection of leptin gene given to insulin-deficient mice dying of diabetic coma could reverse their terminal condition.

After the injection, the animals began producing excessive amounts of leptin, which reversed consequences of type-1 diabetes including weight loss, hyperglycemia and ketoacidosis, a potentially fatal condition that develops when the body doesn’t have enough insulin to meet basic metabolic requirements.

Much of the effect was mediated by complete suppression of the high glucagon levels, said Xinxin Yu, assistant instructor of UTS internal medicine and co-author of the study.

“These animals were actually dying,” Yu said. “But if we gave them the leptin gene, within two weeks, the terminally ill rodents were restored to full health without any other treatment.”

Since the discovery of insulin in 1922, type-1 diabetes (insulin-dependent diabetes) in humans has been treated by injecting insulin to lower high blood sugar levels and prevent diabetic coma.

“The fact that these animals don’t die and are restored to normal health despite a total lack of insulin is hard for many researchers and clinicians to believe,” said Roger Unger, professor of internal medicine and senior study co-author.

“Many scientists, including us, thought it would be a waste of time to give leptin in the absence of insulin. We’ve been brainwashed into thinking that insulin is the only substance that can correct the consequences of insulin deficiency.”

The mechanism of leptin’s glucose-lowering action appears to involve the suppression of glucagon, a hormone produced by the pancreas that raises glucose levels.

The next step is to study other potential glucagon suppressants and begin leptin clinical trials within the next year, said an UTS release.

These findings appear in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2010, 06:22:58 am »
Another thing I read somewhere recently is that fructose is tenfold more glycating in the presence of PUFA than glucose, although with typical human anatomy, fructose should not enter the general circulation directly because its metabolic pathway includes first the hepatic portal system, then the liver (lipogenesis etc.). However, one may understand that an over-permeable intestine (leaky gut syndrome) may allow passage of fructose into the general circulation, like all of these other weird opioid peptides that can even cross the blood/brain barrier (e.g. casein, gliadin, glutenin etc.). If the fructose can enter the general circulation and contribute to glycation of high-PUFA cell membranes, the result would be inflammation. It's established that inflammation is a factor in insulin resistance disease, so maybe the fructose is a deleterious factor in the equation (as could be glucose, to a lesser extent). It really underscored the point about eliminating all PUFA except the trace amounts in ruminant meat/fat/organs.

One wonders if a starchy or low-fructose fruit (banana, berries etc.) would be more optimal for those recovering from this chaotic interaction of factors in the vicious circle.

Also, to improve insulin and leptin sensitivity, maybe one could eat 30 bananas per day (no reference to the 80/10/10 site!!!), with an arbitrary amount at each sitting (of course, not that I'm suggesting that).

Another thing that crossed my mind is why don't all these scientists/endocrinologists appear on this forum, agreeing with us on AGE accumulation in the cellular substrates (causing inflammation etc.)? (joining the cult, so to speak) Is it really just the wisdom/experience of anecdote that prevails yet again like the bygone generations of HGs? Rather quaint methinks...
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2010, 06:51:44 am »

How do you get "high tissue cell membrane PUFA concentrations"?

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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2010, 07:15:01 am »
Err...consuming anything with > 3% PUFA (e.g. olive oil = 10% PUFA)...That would include poultry and pork fattened on grains! Ruminants don't accumulate PUFAs, so grain-fed ruminants don't present this problem, although you'd be missing out on things like CLA from grass-fed ruminants, not to mention minerals and other things...
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2010, 08:00:54 am »

So, if one only consumes grainfed meat+fat, than eating lots of fruits is bad? what if it's mixed?

Where did you get the "3%" PUFA limit?

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2010, 09:26:32 am »
What about veggies?
Yeah, I can eat some veg, but I'm not big on the taste of most veg other than mustard and beet greens, radish, young chervil, young arugula, green cabbage, broccoli, garlic, and ginger, so my amounts of veg tend to be small (I eat mostly mesclun young greens mix, herb/greens mix, cabbage and young spinach because they taste OK or good to me raw, provide some taste variety and probably provide a little nutrition and alkaline pH even when raw, help friends, relatives and strangers to avoid bugging me about my "strange" diet, and are available in my local market) and from an Instincto perspective I shouldn't force myself to eat a lot of food I don't like the taste of anyway (and I tend to dislike cooked veggies even more, except for yellow onions, which taste sweeter to me and cause less heartburn when cooked). Dislike of veg seems to run in my family, as my father dislikes them even more than I do and his mother was not big on veg.

What fruits ? What's the ratio of glycose to fructose in these fruits? Maybe you are fructose intolerance - unable to handle fructose.
That's a possibility, and it's interesting that Gary Taubes and others have suggested that fructose might be more of a problem for humans than other sugars, based on some studies and metabolic analyses (relax Tyler, I don't know whether or not this is true, so I'm not arguing it myself). Some sites identify these fruits as relatively low in fructose: kumquat, grapefruit, lemons, limes, pineapples, strawberries, raspberries, blackberries, lemons, limes, avocado, bananas, rhubarb, orange. Unfortunately I haven't done well when I tried citrus fruits (canker sores, stomach upset, worsened dental problems, etc.) or even berries (I seem to be able to handle about a small handful once a week or so, so I don't buy whole pints any more--just occasionally grab a few from the cafeteria as a treat with some young greens and olive oil to try to offset any negative effects). I seem to be able to handle one small banana now and then, but if I eat too many I paradoxically get potassium deficiency as well as acne, dental crud and other symptoms. I've also noticed that if I eat fruit with my raw meat and fat that the fruit cancels out the euphoria from the meat/fat, which is a bummer.

In my case the sensitivity to fruit was there before I went ZC and each reduction of raw whole fruit in my diet provided additional benefits. I wish it weren't so. Luckily I haven't noticed any increase in problems from fruits after 14 months of VLC to ZC like some others have, but perhaps that still could happen in the future and Dr. Harris does suggest that VLCers have reduced ability to handle blood sugar spikes from excessive carb consumption at one sitting. I hope to eat a little fruit now and then, mostly in season, to try to prevent worsened intolerance. I think I may have a carb or fructose intolerance or both. Raw fruit is apparently not healthy for people with carb or fructose intolerance and thus shouldn't be promoted as purely healthy and free of side effects for everyone.

...The Kitavans are the fine example with their low-PUFA, hi-carb and generally still nutrient dense diet, which is worth consideration and has not yet really been debunked yet.

I love how the wisdom of the primitive isolates just flies in the ivory-tower-face of all these hypothetical, half-baked models and assumptions...
Hooray for the Kitavans. My real world experience is that I eat a diet high in saturated and monounsaturated fats (my main fat is suet), yet carbs still bother me--even if I eat them with suet or marrow, though a little less so. I even tried a sort of muktuk (berries and water mixed into warm tallow). I'm not looking for an argument. If you do well on carbs then by all means eat them--leaves more meat and fat for me. :D

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The question would be then: how much fruit year-round did paleo man eat from his local landbase, given the seasonal nature and lack of preservative technology? Also, how much sugar did the original, wild, heirloom, seeded fruits contain? Is it possible that our domesticated fruits are a plague to us, even though they still retain their nice colours/profile? ...
Plus there are regional and individual differences in genetics and epigenetics that apparently affect how much carbs one can tolerate. I doubt the Inuit or Chukchi would do as well as the Kitavans on the Kitavan diet, or vice-versa.

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The other point is, why do most hunter-gatherer tribes utilise everything on their landbase, including hi-carb starches?
As I've discussed before, just because HGs or wild animals eat a food doesn't guarantee that it's optimally healthy for them. It's a clue that it might be healthy, but not a guarantee. So the fact that Kitavans eat lots of cooked starches could suggest that cooked starches are benign or neutral (perhaps for the Kitavans if not for everyone), but the mere fact of their eating them doesn't guarantee that they're optimal. They clearly aren't essential, since humans wouldn't have survived before cooking otherwise.
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2010, 10:51:02 am »
Where are exactly these studies that show that overfeeding does raise insulin and leptin sensitivity after the overfeeding has ended? Can any study say the sensitivity is still better after even a few months? Theres no way, they have measured this stuff after a year, right? Overfeeding seems like it could be another way to mask symptoms.

There is a study where the Hadza are asked to rank their food choices from best to worst if they were supplied an unlimited supply. Both men and women chose tubers as last. This would be interesting to see what the Kitavans would choose. I don't see how modern potatoes are anything like the Kitavan tubers.

Low carb seems to have completely masked the symptoms of my underlying digestion troubles since I am now doing fairly bad on it.

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« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2010, 03:59:09 pm »
Good points and I would agree that my teeth definitely seemed to become more sensitive when I was including more carbohydrates, especially from cooked starches.

However, like I said, one always has to consider the other variables (leptin) and the potential for the "sticking plaster" effect...The point that I was making is that somewhere along the lines, one must "hit" the carbs to re-develop tolerance and improve sensitivity in the longer term.

My bowel transit time gradually ground to a halt with very low carb, although it massively improved with just the inclusion of cooked starches. The other thing I've noticed is that my body heat (thermogenesis) has dropped since dropping higher carbs and I'm eating fat always to the extent that I get tachycardia (although I just ignore it).

I have innovated an interesting new breakfast though - bananas and custard, although the custard is just 4 egg yolks with a bit of water/coconut oil. I find bananas the easiest way to stay out of ketosis, although I realise that they're prob'ly the least natural of all fruits on the Earth.

I will enumerate some study references forthwith (no time at the moment).
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2010, 04:59:54 pm »
Where are exactly these studies that show that overfeeding does raise insulin and leptin sensitivity after the overfeeding has ended? Can any study say the sensitivity is still better after even a few months? Theres no way, they have measured this stuff after a year, right? Overfeeding seems like it could be another way to mask symptoms.

There is a study where the Hadza are asked to rank their food choices from best to worst if they were supplied an unlimited supply. Both men and women chose tubers as last. This would be interesting to see what the Kitavans would choose. I don't see how modern potatoes are anything like the Kitavan tubers.

Low carb seems to have completely masked the symptoms of my underlying digestion troubles since I am now doing fairly bad on it.

So wait, what are you saying? Your digestion is bad now on RPD?
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« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2010, 05:18:57 pm »
On VLC raw paleo...Maybe potassium/electrolytes is a factor though in sluggish bowel transit, as well as bile insufficiency - I don't know yet...
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2010, 06:59:44 pm »
Here's another one about rodent endocrinology...

For the first time, terminally ill rodents with type-1 diabetes have been restored to complete health with a single injection of a substance other than insulin.
University of Texas Southwestern (UTS) researchers tested for the first time whether an injection of leptin gene given to insulin-deficient mice dying of diabetic coma could reverse their terminal condition.

. . . . . . .

Could you post a link for that???

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2010, 07:42:16 pm »
So wait, what are you saying? Your digestion is bad now on RPD?

I've been raw paleo for 4 months, of which anytime I have gone ZC, bowel movements become very infrequent and at one point extremely painful. They are always badly malformed (extremely thin, etc.). After eating I feel fine and light and nothing like I was when I was on SAD and so I feel like digestion is going smoothly. Even with adding vegetation, stool is very malformed though it isn't painful. Theres a good chance I'm not secreting enough HCL, since I've taken up to 19 HCL pills without feeling any burn after a meal. Recently, the HCL seems to be helping my bowel movement formation. Energy has been pretty low the entire time as well. This is all pointing to the possibility that something is interrupting bile secretion and so I am experimenting with liver flushing. Just did my first one last night with nothing interesting showing up this morning.

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2010, 09:08:52 pm »
I have been having some problems as of late aswell.

A lot of constipation which is weird because when I was RZC my bowel movements were excellent. But I have been changing a lot of things lately, one of the changes is I cut out all salt.. And now I've been eating more salt and fruit and I'm bowel movements seem to becoming stable again >_>
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2010, 09:51:31 pm »
I'd agree about the biliary insufficiency being the co-factor in low/downregulated stomach acid production.

Given the assumption that biliary debris is orchestrating this less-than-ideal cycle, I've recently been including some cholegogic (bile stimulating) herbal tinctures like yellow dock, bupleurum and dandelion root as part of my main meals - just a small glass of water with 2ml of drops. This definitely seems to better stimulate the digestion, although I doubt that the facilitated uptake reaches anything like optimal.

I think it's short-sighted to dismiss the possibility of minor/major bile occlusion as a pivotal factor in diminished digestive capacity (and ultimately, malnutrition, particularly of fats and fat-soluble things like vitamin A, D and K).

Also, bile is a great lubricant of the stool and stimulator of strong peristalsis...not to mention a major vehicle for fat-soluble toxins leaving the liver. Pretty critical, to my mind...It's like the old adage - not what you intake, but what you uptake...
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2010, 10:09:28 pm »
I think it's short-sighted to dismiss the possibility of minor/major bile occlusion as a pivotal factor in diminished digestive capacity (and ultimately, malnutrition, particularly of fats and fat-soluble things like vitamin A, D and K).

I think its possible that nearly every single person that has issues with low-carb has some degree of bile occlusion, which would point to why so many do much better with frankenfoods such as potatoes and yams that are supposedly 'clean' energy - easily digestible with low anti-nutrients and a much lessened need for bile.

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2010, 02:09:49 am »
Another thing I read somewhere recently is that fructose is tenfold more glycating in the presence of PUFA than glucose, although with typical human anatomy, fructose should not enter the general circulation directly because its metabolic pathway includes first the hepatic portal system, then the liver (lipogenesis etc.). However, one may understand that an over-permeable intestine (leaky gut syndrome) may allow passage of fructose into the general circulation, like all of these other weird opioid peptides that can even cross the blood/brain barrier (e.g. casein, gliadin, glutenin etc.). If the fructose can enter the general circulation and contribute to glycation of high-PUFA cell membranes, the result would be inflammation. It's established that inflammation is a factor in insulin resistance disease, so maybe the fructose is a deleterious factor in the equation (as could be glucose, to a lesser extent). It really underscored the point about eliminating all PUFA except the trace amounts in ruminant meat/fat/organs.

One wonders if a starchy or low-fructose fruit (banana, berries etc.) would be more optimal for those recovering from this chaotic interaction of factors in the vicious circle.

   This makes me wonder about aajonus' followers who sometimes combine fruit in a meal with chicken or pork, yet never in the same meal with red meat.

    Are you implying also berries or bananas might help with carbohydrates because of their B vitamins or type of fiber?  What about people who digest non starchy fruit better than starchy ones?  Don't people say bananas help sleep?  They can help in bone repair and pain.
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2010, 03:00:24 am »
So laughably, lo-carb seems like a sticking plaster (y'know, treating the symptoms rather than underlying cause), possibly while the problem of blunted insulin sensitivity and leptin sensitivity remains.
So how does one treat the underlying symptoms of blunted insulin and leptin sensitivity?

...my teeth definitely seemed to become more sensitive when I was including more carbohydrates, especially from cooked starches.

However, like I said, one always has to consider the other variables (leptin) and the potential for the "sticking plaster" effect...The point that I was making is that somewhere along the lines, one must "hit" the carbs to re-develop tolerance and improve sensitivity in the longer term.
So are you saying that absence of the leptin gene contributes to dental plaque?

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My bowel transit time gradually ground to a halt with very low carb, although it massively improved with just the inclusion of cooked starches. The other thing I've noticed is that my body heat (thermogenesis) has dropped since dropping higher carbs and I'm eating fat always to the extent that I get tachycardia (although I just ignore it).
Interesting, I've experienced close to the opposite. My body heat has risen and circulation greatly improved since increasing the fats and decreasing the carbs in my diet. Do you find that cooked carbs help your bowels more than raw fruits?

I have been having some problems as of late aswell.

A lot of constipation which is weird because when I was RZC my bowel movements were excellent. But I have been changing a lot of things lately, one of the changes is I cut out all salt.. And now I've been eating more salt and fruit and I'm bowel movements seem to becoming stable again >_>
Very interesting. Dr. Jay Wortman said his VLC patients resolved constipation when they added salt to their diets. He claimed that VLC diets cause excretion of salt that needs to be offset to avoid constipation. Could this explain how traditional Inuits had very low serum levels of salt despite eating lots of seafood? I've been trying to remember to include salt in my diet but my tolerance for it is pretty low now. This is encouraging, though, so I'll stick with it.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2010, 03:21:30 am »
^ Maybe try this?

"Mineral salts are utilized by plants for food. We can access them in their bio-available form and in correct concentrations in vegetable juices".

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2010, 05:01:24 am »
    Coming from a whole food standpoint, fresh beef blood has salt I think.  It may have other nutrients missed to that might work together in a WOE.  People say butchers sell blood, especially in ethnic stores, for cooking. 

    Maybe it comes frozen most of the time. 

    I was thinking when they (the SAD people) sell toxin laden fatty confinement meat, that much of the toxins melt away with the fat in cooking (rotisserie etc).  If they sell blood though, I would imagine it has to be organic or grass raised, as I can't see how toxins would fall out of blood in cooking it.  If a majority of people got sick right away from a food, I doubt it would have had an ethnic tradition.

So how does one treat the underlying symptoms of blunted insulin and leptin sensitivity?
So are you saying that absence of the leptin gene contributes to dental plaque?
Interesting, I've experienced close to the opposite. ...Very interesting. Dr. Jay Wortman said his VLC patients resolved constipation when they added salt to their diets. He claimed that VLC diets cause excretion of salt that needs to be offset to avoid constipation. Could this explain how traditional Inuits had very low serum levels of salt despite eating lots of seafood? I've been trying to remember to include salt in my diet but my tolerance for it is pretty low now. This is encouraging, though, so I'll stick with it.
^ Maybe try this?

"Mineral salts are utilized by plants for food. We can access them in their bio-available form and in correct concentrations in vegetable juices".
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #44 on: April 26, 2010, 05:29:02 am »
    Coming from a whole food standpoint, fresh beef blood has salt I think.  It may have other nutrients missed to that might work together in a WOE.  People say butchers sell blood, especially in ethnic stores, for cooking. 

    Maybe it comes frozen most of the time. 

    I was thinking when they (the SAD people) sell toxin laden fatty confinement meat, that much of the toxins melt away with the fat in cooking (rotisserie etc).  If they sell blood though, I would imagine it has to be organic or grass raised, as I can't see how toxins would fall out of blood in cooking it.  If a majority of people got sick right away from a food, I doubt it would have had an ethnic tradition.


They sell blood from conventionally raised pigs here. They also make fatty sausages from conventional meat. Also smoked bacon etc., so it's not like people don't consume that kind of fat.

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« Reply #45 on: April 26, 2010, 07:32:44 am »
    Coming from a whole food standpoint, fresh beef blood has salt I think.  It may have other nutrients missed to that might work together in a WOE.

The (feedlot?) beef I've bought from local stores drips little blood, while the grass-finished drips a lot, so whatever stays in the meat should provide mineral salts in the most bio-available form.

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2010, 03:42:18 pm »
So laughably, lo-carb seems like a sticking plaster (y'know, treating the symptoms rather than underlying cause), possibly while the problem of blunted insulin sensitivity and leptin sensitivity remains.


What's laughable is you looking at one rodent study, then making conclusions about low carb eating. l)

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Research done a couple of years ago in St. Louis and in Japan pinpointed the problem. Triglycerides – fat circulating in the blood – interrupts the passage of leptin across the BBB. If trigylcerides are high, which they are in most obese people, then, basically, they block the movement of leptin into the brain. So, leptin levels are elevated in the blood, and triglycerides keep the leptin from getting to where it needs to get to shut off hunger. (click here for the abstract and full text of this research paper.)

We all know that the commonest lab finding in people following a low-carb diet is a dramatic reduction in triglyceride levels. This reduction in triglycerides allows the leptin that is already circulating in relatively large amounts to get through to the brain where it can reduce hunger. I believe that this reduction in triglycerides (which happens fairly quickly) is the primary reason that people substantially decrease their hunger on low-carb diets. And remember from the graphic above that leptin – once it gets to the brain – actually increases thermogenesis as well, which means that the metabolic rate increases.

So, the triglyceride reduction from following a low-carb diet does does double duty when more leptin gets to the brain: hunger goes down and metabolic rate goes up. That duo increases weight loss. Is it any wonder that low-carb diets virtually always manhandle low-fat diets in terms of weight loss in all of the studies in which they are compared? And it it any wonder that when people are allowed to eat an ad lib low-carb diet, they always consume fewer calories than those consuming an ad lib low-fat/high-carbohydrate diet?

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/metabolism/leptin-low-carb-and-hunger/

These were done on humans:

221.      Eizirik DL, Korbutt GS, and Hellerström C. “Prolonged exposure of human pancreatic islets to high glucose concentrations in vitro impairs the beta-cell function.” Journal of Clinical Investigation, Volume 90, Number 4, Pages 1263–1268. October 1992.http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pmcentrez&artid=443168

222.      Frederici M, et al. “High Glucose Causes Apoptosis in Cultured Human Pancreatic Islets of Langerhans.” Diabetes. Volume 50, Number 6, Pages1290-1301, 2001.http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/reprint/50/6/1290

223.      Boden G, et al. “Effect of a low-carbohydrate diet on appetite, blood glucose levels, and insulin resistance in obese patients with type 2 diabetes.”Annals of Internal Medicine, Volume 142, Number 6, Pages 403-11. March 15, 2005. http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/abstract/142/6/403?etoc

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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2010, 05:41:01 pm »
On the original question "Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?"

I only get tired after eating fruit when I eat high fat raw. So the solution to thrive is on days when eating fruit eat only raw lean meat (not together of course). And on days when you want to eat high fat raw don't eat fruit but be zero carb. It's really that simple. But this might not work for people with damaged bodies who are managing symptoms.

FRUIT+RAW LEAN MEAT = BLISS
and
HIGH FAT RAW+RAW LEAN MEAT (zero carb) = BLISS
but
FRUIT+HIGH FAT RAW = TROUBLE
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Re: Why am I always so tired after eating fruit?
« Reply #49 on: July 26, 2010, 06:19:56 am »
     Don't people say bananas help sleep?  

Bananas are high in Tryptophan, the turkey amino acid that makes one sleepy after meals...this is why bananas for breakfast arn't as get up and go as other things...Typtophan is also important for natural seratonin, the happy chemical...so I guess...go bananas, but they may make you sleepy. Science told me so.

 

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