Attraction

[akaikumo]

Not exactly personals, but it seemed to be the right place to put this.

Is it just me, or do others have the same problem with being attracted to non-paleo dieters?

I've always struggled with feeling shallow and never being attracted to someone for long, but the more I think about it, the more I think it's diet related. Even with people who are in good shape, it's almost like I can sense they're still unhealthy because of their diet. Anytime I see people eating non-paleo now, it makes me shudder.

I haven't been paleo for more than two weeks, and it's not complete yet, but I can see the difference. My breakout is clearing up, my teeth feel cleaner, even the color of my skin looks better. I've lost 4lbs already, and I didn't even need (or want) to lose weight. It looks like it's mostly in the abdominal area.

There just aren't that many paleo-dieters, though. And people tend to be defensive about grains and dairy, even when health-conscious. I don't even care if someone isn't eating raw.

Just kind of frustrating.

[boxcarguy07]

Yeah I hear you on this...

It's hard enough to meet someone who shares the same values that I do in my generation, let alone throwing the diet into the equation.

I refuse to enter into a relationship with someone who I can't see myself eventually settling down and having kids with. And I will definitely not be having kids with someone who doesn't share the same views on health as I do, for the sake of my child.


I'm still pretty young though    and while I'm gradually beginning to accept that the whole wife and kids thing might never happen, either way I'll be completely happy simply to be alive.

[PaleoKyle]

Makes me glad to be a loner 

[boxcarguy07]

Loners unite!!!


uuuhhh wait, that kind of defeats the purpose 

[goodsamaritan]

I'm attracted to young, healthy, fertile females who are interested in having offsprings.
Our paleo ancestors were most likely polygamous and pro-making-and-raising children.  The ones who did not like making and raising kids in the past were not our ancestors... their blood line died out.

We are the pioneers re-discovering the truths of our ancestors.
It is unreasonable to expect them to be on cooked paleo and even raw paleo.

What my kids do notice and I brag about it: when they and their mom get sniffles, colds, or coughs, I ask:  Who is always healthy?  Who does not get sick?  They know the answer, and they know why.

[akaikumo]

What my kids do notice and I brag about it: when they and their mom get sniffles, colds, or coughs, I ask:  Who is always healthy?  Who does not get sick?  They know the answer, and they know why.

Woo! Bragging rights! 

[xylothrill]

I don't know how people can go from one person to the next. I'd rather have love without sex than sex without love and when I fall in love I fall hard! I want an everlasting love and always have but I always end up with someone who "loves" me but I don't love or I end up falling in love with someone who does not reciprocate or grows away from me. It took me two years to recover the first time I fell in love and it did not work. I could not develop feelings for anyone else during that time and now, I try not to get to close for fear of getting hurt again. I am a mateless soul.

[xylothrill]

Oh, and the older I get, the less looks matter and the more personality does. So, diet wouldn't be too much of a factor in most cases either.

[Satya]

Oh, and the older I get, the less looks matter and the more personality does. So, diet wouldn't be too much of a factor in most cases either.

Ah, what a sweetie you are.  I wish I was as nice and thoughtful as you.  But alas, sex does matter in my book.  :

This whole subject reminds me of the dietary supremacy I have experienced in raw vegan circles.  You know, cooked food = poison gets extended to cooked people = poison.  I don't think that's what is being said here, it just reminded me of that general demise when idealistic perfection gets in the way of an otherwise healthy lifestyle. 

[TylerDurden]

Like Satya said, we should be careful not to adopt a 'them and us" approach to those on cooked-food diets.

Mind you , what I love is being lectured by certain old-aged SAD-eaters on how cooked-diets are perfectly OK, as the others are invariably in an appalling state of health.

[xylothrill]

Like Satya said, we should be careful not to adopt a 'them and us" approach to those on cooked-food diets.

Mind you , what I love is being lectured by certain old-aged SAD-eaters on how cooked-diets are perfectly OK, as the others are invariably in an appalling state of health.

When I was taken out for my Birthday, there was a comment about how bad the shrimp was on an obese diabetic's plate. That shrimp was cooked of course but still, it was over a huge bed of linguine! I kept my mouth shut and ate my seared fish. I've learned whom not to discuss diet with. It's sort of like politics and religion with some people. Just best to avoid. My family is more receptive and some friends.

[Sully]

When I was taken out for my Birthday, there was a comment about how bad the shrimp was on an obese diabetic's plate. That shrimp was cooked of course but still, it was over a huge bed of linguine! I kept my mouth shut and ate my seared fish. I've learned whom not to discuss diet with. It's sort of like politics and religion with some people. Just best to avoid. My family is more receptive and some friends.

I learned to hush up too...it can start an argument.. :...but it sucks seeing close ones poison themselves.... :'(

[xylothrill]

I learned to hush up too...it can start an argument.. :...but it sucks seeing close ones poison themselves.... :'(

You're learning young, which is a good thing! Making it known to the self-poisoning ones can make them retaliate and become more intent on harming themselves despite you. It sucks!

[akaikumo]

I learned to hush up too...it can start an argument.. :...but it sucks seeing close ones poison themselves.... :'(

I'm learning to hush up, but yeah, I'm already getting tired of watching people I'm close to eat horribly, complain about the heath problems they're having, and eat horribly some more...and then lecture me on my new diet

But really, it does make me feel a little helpless. Nothing you can do about it though, except be an example of good health. They'll either follow suit or not.

[goodsamaritan]

Oh, people will notice alright.
You will look prettier, and sexier and fitter and oozing with sex appeal they will notice you and ask you what you do.

[wodgina]

Once you've been doing raw paleo for a while people will notice  looks are improved/attracting pheromones/clear eyes/nice skin even if they don't say anything. I've received some nice compliments since eating raw meat and fat.

[TylerDurden]

Once you've been doing raw paleo for a while people will notice  looks are improved/attracting pheromones/clear eyes/nice skin even if they don't say anything. I've received some nice compliments since eating raw meat and fat.

I agree. One does get noticed more re clearer skin etc.

[Satya]

I'm attracted to young, healthy, fertile females who are interested in having offsprings.
Our paleo ancestors were most likely polygamous and pro-making-and-raising children.  The ones who did not like making and raising kids in the past were not our ancestors... their blood line died out.

Yes, I am sure polygamy has been practiced; both polygyny (1 man, many females) and polyandry (1 female, many males).  However, when species become less sexually dimorphic, (ie. male and females are closer in size) monogamy is the general trend, and this is the case for humans.  When the female gets larger, it goes to polyandry.  With polygyny, the male has no concern for raising offspring whatsoever, generally speaking.

What stands out in my mind is that human sperm has adapted to fight foreign sperm if a second copulation occurs.  Thus, females with multiple sex partners must figure into our distant past to an extent.  Of course, with war killing off the males, polygyny would be the best outcome for surviving females. 

[TylerDurden]

From what I understand, polygyny has been very common in ancient times, simply out of necessity(as males die younger due to leading more dangerous lives). Some areas of Africa have extremely high rates of polygyny(50%+?) due to constant wars, HIV/AIDS, the tribal practice of a widow always being immediately married off to her brother-in-law in order to ensure maintenance of her and her children, etc.)

*You know, I've often wondered how interesting it would have been if I'd been brought up as a  Mormon Fundamentalist! Of course, some sects such as the FLDS are horrific in their behaviour(towards both their men and women), but, apparently, c.2/3 of all Mormon Fundamentalists are quite well-behaved, not going in for the practice of child-brides, incest or whatever.*

[xylothrill]

Never mind, I was thinking of polyandry.

[Satya]

From what I understand, polygyny has been very common in ancient times, simply out of necessity(as males die younger due to leading more dangerous lives). Some areas of Africa have extremely high rates of polygyny(50%+?) due to constant wars, HIV/AIDS, the tribal practice of a widow always being immediately married off to her brother-in-law in order to ensure maintenance of her and her children, etc.)

Notice how men like polygyny and women polyandry?  Has anyone ever practiced this?

*You know, I've often wondered how interesting it would have been if I'd been brought up as a  Mormon Fundamentalist! Of course, some sects such as the FLDS are horrific in their behaviour(towards both their men and women), but, apparently, c.2/3 of all Mormon Fundamentalists are quite well-behaved, not going in for the practice of child-brides, incest or whatever.*

Ha ha!  Why do they practice polygyny anyway?  Is it because they are so few in number? 

[TylerDurden]

Notice how men like polygyny and women polyandry?  Has anyone ever practiced this?

Polyandry was practised in Tibet(because husbands had to wander around a lot with infrequent access to their wives). Polygyny has always been part of almost all societies, until very recently with the advent of Western Civilisation.

Ha ha!  Why do they practice polygyny anyway?  Is it because they are so few in number? 

For most societies, that would be true, not for Mormon Fundamentalists. As any woman of a certain age will tell you, parties for older-aged people tend to frown on inviting single women above a certain age, as, otherwise, due to greater male mortality in the first few decades of life, there is too high a female to male ratio, which can cause problems. Introducing polygyny, despite feminist assertions re cruelty, enables the widow in question to be married to someone else(and thereby maintaining social respectability and steady financial  assistance from the new husband). Social guidelines(such as in Islam and various tribes), ensure that the new wife has to be equally provided for.

Re Mormon Fundamentalists:- Most "normal" Mormon Fundamentalists allow their children to follow whatever path they want(ie monogamy or polygamy). The result is that only a few of their children in each subsequent generation choose the path of polygamy, and most such polygamous relationships, while producing far more children on average than monogamous relationships, only involve 2-3 wives at most. The trouble is that the FLDS Mormons and one or two similiar groups(comprising c.1/3 -1/2 of polygamous US groups) encourage young women to marry at the age of 14(sometimes to their uncles!), plus they deliberately expel most of their young boys when the latter reach the teenage years, out of various religious pretexts, so that the older men have enough of the younger women to marry for polygamous purposes. The young men discarded in this way, tend to be based in the Las Vegas area and are called "Lost Boys".

[Satya]

Polyandry was practised in Tibet(because husbands had to wander around a lot with infrequent access to their wives). Polygyny has always been part of almost all societies, until very recently with the advent of Western Civilisation.

Actually, polyandrous societies have existed all over the globe.  Polynesia, Mongolia, Nepal, Americas, Australia.  I took cultural anthropology in college years ago, and really, both forms and also multiple partners of both sexes are historical.

Besides, how do you account for sperm competition in humans if females historically had only one partner?

http://judson.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/a-seedy-rivalry/
"First, there’s the matter of sperm competition. The extent to which this has been a force in human evolution is controversial, because of what it says about the sexual behavior of our female ancestors. As I mentioned a moment ago, sperm competition can only happen in humans if a woman has sex with more than one male during the time when she is fertile. This means that she has to have sex with at least two men in the same week. (The exact window of opportunity is the subject of debate; but although the egg is only viable for about 24 hours, sperm can survive in the reproductive tract for at least a few days.)

"This certainly happens occasionally. There are a handful of reported cases of non-identical twins having different fathers — which can only happen if a woman ovulates two eggs at once (which happens from time to time) and also has sex with two men. The question is whether sperm competition happened often enough in our past to have shaped the sexual physiology of men.

"The odds are that it did."

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/62919.php
http://www.as.wvu.edu/~kgarbutt/EvolutionPage/FinalPapers/Sex3.htm

[akaikumo]

This thread is spurring some interesting conversation. Never knew any of that.

I never understood why polygamy is illegal, so long as all parties involved are consenting adults and not 14 year olds marrying their uncles.  :

[TylerDurden]

Actually, polyandrous societies have existed all over the globe.  Polynesia, Mongolia, Nepal, Americas, Australia.  I took cultural anthropology in college years ago, and really, both forms and also multiple partners of both sexes are historical.

Besides, how do you account for sperm competition in humans if females historically had only one partner?

I don't dispute that women can have affairs with other males while in a specific married relationship - after all, it's estimated that paternity fraud occurs anywhere from 10% to 30% of the time. It's just I'd only ever heard of Tibet as an example of polyandry, where a woman actually has 2 or more husbands(as opposed to having one husband and several other male lovers). The problem with polyandry is simply that while there are slightly more males than females born each generation, males are much more likely to die young due to wars/suicide/childhood diseases etc., so that the female:male ratio rises inexorably  - so there's usually a lack of supply for women who want two or more husbands - whereas, with polygyny, it becomes more feasible as an option to provide for recently widowed wives. Interesting to find out that it's more widespread than Tibet, though.