help me get enough fat..

[mrz]

OK so ive switched to completely raw high fat/protein & low carb diet.

i just had a raw grass fed bison heart.. yummy..

I have a bunch of grass fed bison meat but they all look lean, no fat.. im trying to get at least 65% calories from fat..

Right now im eating an avocado with each meal.. plus i eat maybe 12 raw egg yolks a day... id like to avoid oils for fat..

some of you are saying the spleen/suet? what is that and where the heck do you buy that from? i dont see it online and my local health food store doesnt have spleen..

so you guys that are getting 60%+ calories from fat, how do you do it? please share..

[mrz]

i'll add i dont really want dairy... im thinking of coconut oil??

[miles]

I don't know if it's because there's something wrong with me, but I can't eat 'much' fat before I'll get diarrhoea(etc..[the many other bad things that come with it])...

It's still a lot by 'normal' standards though..

One thing I'm not sure of though, is how much that is down to the proportion of fat, and how much is down to sheer quantity...

[goodsamaritan]

Buy live muscle fat.
It should be part of your tbone or sirloin or whatever cuts.

[mrz]

i do buy fatty meats, but i dont think the fat is enough.. a little fat in the meat means the protein count is still a lot higher..

also does marrow go by another name in the store? or do i just go into a whole foods and ask them for the marrow?

Any of u here use coconut oil?

[djr_81]

Buy live muscle fat.
It should be part of your tbone or sirloin or whatever cuts.

If eating carnivorous/"ZC" it's not enough fat GS. You really do need to find some source of supplemental fat if you're avoiding carbs.

some of you are saying the spleen/suet? what is that and where the heck do you buy that from? i dont see it online and my local health food store doesnt have spleen..

You want suet, not spleen. Spleen is an organ itself, the suet is fat from around internal organs (the kidneys being the primary source).
Try these sources:
http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/
http://www.northstarbison.com/
http://www.eatwild.com/<-Find local producers/farmers with this site.
Most health food stores in my experience won't carry grass-finished fat. You can look in the phone book and call all you find but I doubt you'll find much that way.

so you guys that are getting 60%+ calories from fat, how do you do it? please share..

I frequent a farmer at my local farmer's market who has lots of suet & marrow. It's the only way I can meet my fat calorie needs.

also does marrow go by another name in the store? or do i just go into a whole foods and ask them for the marrow?

They'll call it marrow.

Any of u here use coconut oil?

I do not and have not. Some here have or do you use it with some modicum of success but many others have problems with it. You can give it a shot and see how you do with it but know you may have problems with it. Make sure you get unheated oil.

[mrz]

how much fat does the actual marrow contain

[Nation]

how much fat does the actual marrow contain

By calories, caribou marrow is 97% fat, 3% protein. Caribou is the only marrow i've seen on any nutrition database.

[mrz]

hmm sounds good.. what does marrow taste like? and any reputable sites that sell it?

[klowcarb]

I use Fitday to track anything I put in my mouth (I do weight-lifting and like to have a bikini body year round, low BF%) and I thrive on 70-80% fat. I eat mostly raw 80/20 ground beef and raw bone marrow. I also eat eggs, and put in extra yolks. I eat pork ribs and lamb. I don't eat chicken, turkey or fish, except for chicken hearts.

[mrz]

I called North Star bison and they have it 

so how do u guys eat it? break the bone and scoop the marrow or what?? sorry for all these noob questions but you guys are literally saving my life here

[miles]

I think usually they cut it in half for you. They do it with a saw, so I suppose you could do it if they don't. I've just scooped it out with anything... the handle of a teaspoon for example.. If it gets crumbly you can just scrape it out on to a plate.

[mrz]

how many of those bones/lbs do i need to actually get around 2k calories in fat/day?

Basically if the bone weighs like 1lb, how much stuff can u actually scoop out of it?

I ordered 4lbs, but dont know if that will last a day cause im not sure how much can be scooped from it

[djr_81]

so how do u guys eat it? break the bone and scoop the marrow or what??

I get full round bones cut into 4-6" segments. I scrape/push the marrow out with a butter knife.

how many of those bones/lbs do i need to actually get around 2k calories in fat/day?

A fair amount. If I'm eating marrow bones as my fat source one day I'll usually go through 3-5 bones.

Basically if the bone weighs like 1lb, how much stuff can u actually scoop out of it?[/url]
A one pound bone is going to give you a couple ounces of marrow. It's a nutrient dense source of fat though so it's worth it. Definitely not the cheapest calorie to dollar source of fat/energy but it's probably the most beneficial easily-purchased source. Suet's sustaining but marrow feels more alive when you eat it.

I ordered 4lbs, but dont know if that will last a day cause im not sure how much can be scooped from it

You should be ok for a day, maybe two. Once you know if you like it you can order bigger orders to save on shipping.

sorry for all these noob questions but you guys are literally saving my life here

No problem, we've all been there.

[mrz]

how many calories do u think u get from 1lb of bone marrow..

wow this diet can get expensive.. i tried to eat a steak with a lot of fat, its sooo chewy i couldnt break it up completely, so i ended up just swallowing it

do any of u kinda just swallow the animal fat after chewing for a bit?

[mrz]

quick question, why do u guys discourage nuts?

its such an easy way of getting calories.. brazil nuts/almonds.. i can get hundreds of calories per bite..

[klowcarb]

I buy bones that are already cut and in containers at my market. I let them sit a bit until the bones are not frozen but not soft, and push the marrow out with my thumb. I then refrigerate. Then I can weigh the marrow in ounces before I eat them with my raw ground beef. I eat anywhere from 1-4 oz. at a time.

Nuts are high in omega 6s, have carbs and fiber which takes nutrients from your body.

[miles]

how many calories do u think u get from 1lb of bone marrow..

wow this diet can get expensive.. i tried to eat a steak with a lot of fat, its sooo chewy i couldnt break it up completely, so i ended up just swallowing it

do any of u kinda just swallow the animal fat after chewing for a bit?

You should hold the chunk of meat in your hands and rip bits off with your teeth...

[pioneer]

It would never be possible to eat significant amounts of nuts in nature. Also think of nuts and seeds like this: They are little uterises and are very estrogenic. If anyone here is eating nuts/ beans/ seeds and yin foods of that sort, please balance them out with yang type foods such as bee pollen, pine pollen, oysters, scallops, etc... Remember this, 1 bottle of soy formula derived from soy beans provides roughly 7 birth control pills worth of estrogen. This is a huge under-looked problem and is one big reason why men are more feminine today and have erection/ testosterone problems. we are giving babies hormones and chemicals in the most crucial stages of development which screws them over for life. We have the worst infirtility counts ever in history now and its getting worse and worse, a big part of that is flax and soy. My advice would be to avoid soy/ flax/ black beans, and all other nuts/seeds/legumes like poison.

[mrz]

It would never be possible to eat significant amounts of nuts in nature. Also think of nuts and seeds like this: They are little uterises and are very estrogenic. If anyone here is eating nuts/ beans/ seeds and yin foods of that sort, please balance them out with yang type foods such as bee pollen, pine pollen, oysters, scallops, etc... Remember this, 1 bottle of soy formula derived from soy beans provides roughly 7 birth control pills worth of estrogen. This is a huge under-looked problem and is one big reason why men are more feminine today and have erection/ testosterone problems. we are giving babies hormones and chemicals in the most crucial stages of development which screws them over for life. We have the worst infirtility counts ever in history now and its getting worse and worse, a big part of that is flax and soy. My advice would be to avoid soy/ flax/ black beans, and all other nuts/seeds/legumes like poison.

yeah i figured nuts arent the most healthiest things.. how about avocados? right now my diet revolves around meat, eggs & avocados.. what else can i add to this?

[mrz]

OMG cutting it with scissors worked.. i just ate a NY strip with a lotta fat on the end and i cut it and i was able to eat the whole thing.. is it weird that the raw meat tastes incredibly good.. it actually tastes better than BBQ'ed meat to me now..

Also, i add a pinch of sea salt.. is this bad at all  like a LITTLE pinch, very small i can barely taste it.. maybe next time i'll try it without salt and see how it goes..

[djr_81]

OMG cutting it with scissors worked.. i just ate a NY strip with a lotta fat on the end and i cut it and i was able to eat the whole thing.. is it weird that the raw meat tastes incredibly good.. it actually tastes better than BBQ'ed meat to me now..

Awesome.
It's not weird at all that it tastes good. Many don't enjoy the flavor of raw meat at first but plenty do. I'd take it as a sign that you're body is happy to get the nutrients in the meat.

Also, i add a pinch of sea salt.. is this bad at all  like a LITTLE pinch, very small i can barely taste it.. maybe next time i'll try it without salt and see how it goes..

I sprinkle a dash of sea salt on most of my meat. Some people think salt is evil, some say a bit is ok. I find I need a bit of it in my diet.

[pioneer]

yeah i figured nuts arent the most healthiest things.. how about avocados? right now my diet revolves around meat, eggs & avocados.. what else can i add to this?

It depends, are you zero carb? I think avacados are great. You could add coconut oil and coconut milk, I love the stuff, you can eat it, put it on your skin, anything really. I find that it makes my skin nice and soft.

[mrz]

zero carb.. but arent people here anti coconut oil??

[djr_81]

zero carb.. but arent people here anti coconut oil??

Most are.
Some do well with it an advocate it's use. Primal Dieters also advocate Coconut Cream as it's touted by AV in his books.