High-Meat-Recipe Preparation For More Advanced RAFers

[TylerDurden]

I re-read the first post in this thread.  It says to air out the meat for a few minutes every 1 - 3 days.  Is it necessary to let in air for that long or will a couple of seconds do it?   I can't imagine being able to keep flies off of it if it's left open for minutes.  Also, does anyone stir it to get air to the bottom?

Thanks

  The main thing is to refresh the air completely. So, shaking it completely would be OK if airing for only a few seconds.

[larrymagee]

Thanks, Tyler.

[PaleoPhil]

My best guess re: getting the bad smell and slime so quickly is because it was left in heat rather than refrigerated or stored in a cool area. I've haven't experienced that with any of my meat except with ground beef left out on during hot summer days. My high meat gets rather stinky after a few weeks, IIRC. Of course, VT is often rather cold and I tend to keep the heater set relatively low. Stink fish only seems to take a few days to get slimy and somewhat stinky.

BTW, the Inuit reportedly prefer high meat that's more than a year or more old. I noticed that the odor and taste of high meat that gets this old is milder, so maybe that's why. It also is very much broken down, with lots of liquid at that point, so maybe easy digestability is another thing they like about >1yr high meat, I don't know.

[larrymagee]

I went 48 hours without getting sick so that room temperature batch is fine.  I had some this morning after it had been in the fridge for 2 days.  I enjoyed chewing it.  There are hints of both bitterness and sweetness in the taste.

I'm guessing that one day ripening outside the fridge at about 75F = a week in the fridge.  I think I'll do my next batch entirely in the fridge so I can compare the taste.

[rawfishy]

Hello.
Now I wanna try High Meat.
I would like to ask what's that:

(3 days in room temperature on a plate)
Is it safe to eat?

Also I prepare beef liver in fridge with aerating

[cherimoya_kid]

Hello.
Now I wanna try High Meat.
I would like to ask what's that:

Is it safe to eat?

It's just yeast/mold.  Perfectly safe to eat, most likely, but you can scrape it off if you don't like it.

[rawfishy]

I cure candida so is it save to eat yeast/mold in this case?  (i'll try vco maybe next week)
so far it is 6 days and smells yummy.

btw liver in refrigerator is 2 weeks old but smells not good.

[cherimoya_kid]

I cure candida so is it save to eat yeast/mold in this case?  (i'll try vco maybe next week)
so far it is 6 days and smells yummy.

btw liver in refrigerator is 2 weeks old but smells not good.

I don't know how meat mold would affect candida.  It might out-compete it, or add to the problem, or do basically nothing.

Make sure the liver is exposed to air.

[Dorothy]

Question 1: Is there a reason not to use ground meat?
I would think there would be more air contact and faster breakdown.
It's also the only kind of fresh non-frozen meat that I am going to have.

Question 2: How many of you give this to your dogs and do they like it?
My dogs have been on an all raw diet for years. It seems like a good way to preserve some of the fresh meat for them.

I'm probably not far enough along yet to try it for myself.... but we'll see.

[RawZi]

Question 2: How many of you give this to your dogs and do they like it?

    With my friend's permission I gave it (various types that I eat) and chunks of raw butter and chunks of raw unsalted cheese.  The dog was very happy with it.  I did not do it long term, so I do not know more.  It was for less than a week.  It was too far away for me.

[TylerDurden]

Some people have stated they made high-meat successfully from prefrozen meat. It didn't work for me, but maybe I did something wrong.

No idea re raw, ground meat, as I never tried it. I would imagine that it would turn into a liquid soup more quickly than chunks of raw meats.

[Inger]

Dorothy,
try high heart! I love lambshearts that have gotten high. I just let them age naturally in my fridge. Not in a jar. It works.

Lambshearts give me such a nice feeling anytime!
Huh. I am just in love with them.

Inger

[Dorothy]

Inger - Lamb's heart to open the heart! 

I probably can get those in the spring. I will definitely try those. More love in my life is always welcome. 

Tyler - Maybe high meat from frozen meat might still be better for my dogs than not fermented foods - even if it wouldn't give me all the benefits - but I think I'll try it with unfrozen ground meat before frozen since they love really slimy disgusting things in general.    Thanks for that info.

Zi - I have one dog that is healthier and young and perhaps I can try these things on him for awhile first before trying it with the old dogs. They all eat regular raw already. For goodness sakes they love eating chicken poop and last week I saw the young one with a bone that I haven't given them in years - it had to be at least 3 years old! I doubt if any form can do them much harm.

I'll report on how the dogs do on high meat here after we experiment. I have a feeling that it could really help the sick dog.

[RawZi]

    This dog was very old, sick and weak, and it did not harm him.

    Av has recommended herbivore turd successfully when someone wouldn't try any highmeat.

[Dorothy]

Herbivore turd really?

I keep on thinking that the chicken poop is probably good for my sick beagle and she wants it desperately - the only problem is that when I bring her in she throws up in the house and has diarrhea inside too and makes an outrageous mess that stinks like nothing else on the planet.

Otherwise - I would let her eat it.

The only way I can let her outside is with a complicated cone setup around her head - but then if she can't eat the poops she doesn't even want to be out there.

But, if someone wouldn't eat high meat I can't imagine them eating turds! Do people really eat cow turds?!

[PaleoPhil]

Aajonus isn't the only one. I've seen old-time Hindu-Indian vegetarians recommend eating your own feces or urine for optimal health, including one urine-drinker who advocated it on 60 Minutes. There apparently is also an Irish folk medicine tradition of drinking urine for certain conditions. Not for me, thanks. 

[TylerDurden]

Yes, well, virtually all of us are revolted by this sort of thing. Could we please  get back to the more wholesome subject of high-meat?

[Dorothy]

Sorry Tyler - I was just so shocked - but that was a deviation from the subject.

In one way it might not be though. Maybe it says something about what is missing in the diet and how high meat can fill those dietary needs instead?

I'm going to start feeding my beagle high meat and see if it stops her unsavory habits. That would be a GREAT benefit for us indeed. 

[MDee]

I love fermented foods (in fact its about all i eat) but I haven't tried this. Some questions and ideas tho.

So if you put a cheese cloth or even say a shirt over the top of a jar of meat would the flies still be able to lay eggs in it? It seems to keep fruit flies out of vinegar.

Also if leaving it outside dries out the meat, what if you have more fat around the meat wouldn't that keep it moist even if left outside exposed to the air?

[RawZi]

    @MkkyDee dried fat makes me gag and makes me feel ill. Fat is not highmeat, but even that feels better to me left out enclosed than open. To make real high meat, follow one of the original sets of directions.

[MDee]

I'd try the by original instructions for sure I was just tossin an idea out there. Thanks for your response. Dried fat made you gag? huh? Was it suet or kidney fat?

What about a cloth over the jar, would that keep flies out? If say I was to keep it outside and not refrigerate it at all. (By the way I have read this whole thread)

[RawZi]

    Suet, kidney fat, marrow etc.

    If I make it more at room temp instead of refrigerated, I mix it several times per day, then refrigerated by the time the week's over, otherwise worms grow in it.

[Adora]

Re putting meat outside and preventing flies from getting at it.

What about puttting the jar in a paper bag, then sealing the folded down part of the bag to itself with melted wax. This sounds like a lot of work at first, but all you need is to drip a candle on it and it's sealed and you could just leave alone for weeks until it is done.
It's pretty cold here now so I'm not doing it or I'll just end up with frozen meat, but maybe somebody in a warmer climate.

[RawZi]

    @Adora, why not put it below ground. I think it's about fifty degrees F all over the planet four feet and more in the soil all year round. When I Didn't refrigerated highmeat I did it in an earthenware pot (like the terracotta planters) below ground level in my basement when it was warm upstairs and cooler below.

    Funny we bury people six feet under where the temperature is conducive to healthful bacteria, but we add vaccine preservative formaldehyde so that doesn't happen. Why do we live our lives above ground where temperatures are less stable? Please don't mind my babble.

[sabertooth]

Ive been hanging a lamb in my shed for the past week and just cutting pieces of it as needed. No refrigeration. Its just now starting to get high, There is a yellowish green surface slime that is beginning to form but the interior meat is still nice and red.

Maggots have taken over the remainder of my bull skull so I threw it to my chickens. I probably have some of the healthiest eggs available. Chickens, free ranged and then fed scraps of high meat infested with juicy maggots(all raised on grassfed).

I have this one chicken that has been living on the cow skull all week eating its fill of maggots, then she leaves me one of the most beautiful eggs every day.