Hulda Regehr Clark

[raw-al]

If you have read her book(s) I would be interested in your thoughts on her ideas. She has been chased down by various medical organizations as a quack. Some call her the devil, some call her a saint, but she has gone off to where we all go eventually. Her organization still seems alive and well. They are way overpriced and I have no idea if her products do or don't work. I have tried the Zapper (bought off ebay and made by someone else.) (which she did not invent) and it worked.

I have read Hulga's book on Disease and I started off buying what she was saying till I showed it to a friend. He pulled the plug on that.  After that I started to read her more critically and have arrived at "my" conclusion (not to be confused with what everyone else should conclude ) that I am not buying her story.

Until I hear a convincing story I am not going to get rid of all stainless steel implements and eat with plastic everything along with some of her other conclusions and suggestions. I am not suggesting she is 100% you know what... but...

Anywho, I am interested in the thoughts of the thoughtful folks on this forum.

[pioneer]

I have not read her book but I know the zapper was made by Robert Becker, a genius.

[goodsamaritan]

I'm the family healer so here are my 2 cents on Clark.

#1 - She is very good at pollution avoidance - you had better read what she has to say about that.

#2 - Her parasite regurgitation of old studies has merit - do not mis-understand her - she makes it clear that the parasites migrate to organs where they should not be and cause havoc - because the human is polluted.  You must balance this with Aajonus' view of parasites why they are beneficial and Andreas Moritz as to why you should not do parasite cleanses.  It's a case to case basis, you make the call when a situation arises.

I stock herbal dewormers because they have saved us from misery, amoebiasis usually.

#3 - She contributed zapper plans for the world.  Open source.  Many have improved it.  It works.  Yes really.  This has saved my then 3 year old girl from some kind of encephalitis on her nape / neck where she was in pain for 3 days and no chiropractor ever healed her neck.  But just 1 hour of zapping cured her.

#4 - She inspired thousands of liver flushers on curezone.com, she claims her method with epsom salts is superior.  That is debatable.  I am a veteran of many different liver flushes and her method is just one of those options out there.

#5 - She inspired kidney cleanses with herbs - though there are others with probably more effective solutions.

#6 - She inspired herbal dewormers, though she was not a master herbalist, she did listen to master herbalists who made improvements and comments to her old formula, and she did make improvements as she realize them.

#7 - her zapper invention and mentioning of raymond royal rife inspired others to resurrect rife machines successfully.  Beam ray and others work really well.

#8 - she made biological dentistry popular - pointed out mercury fillings and that root canals are a root cause of disease and should never be done.

Clark is an inspired constant honest researcher. 

There are things I disagree with her:

I disagree on zapping every food to death.
I disagree with her supplements and chemical vitamins - when food can do it better.
I disagree with the complexity of her cancer cure protocols with supplement combination use when super foods ala gerson protocol are easy enough to do and does not have to be so exact.

But she's honest.  If she had been shown the things we diet professionals and fasting pros do, then she may have learned those too.

All in all, she has contributed much to the debate and body of healing knowledge out there. 

She inspired me to be very thorough about looking at health from many different angles and they all contribute something.

[TylerDurden]

I view her  as a quack. Definitely wholly anti-rawpalaeo in concept.

[pioneer]

Not everyone who doesnt do raw paleo are quacks. People in this forum are always bashing others theories, but if you guys dont like it, why dont you do something about it? There are plenty in this forum, especially paleo phil and goodsamaritan who are smart and capable of more than what she did, so get out there, help others, and make some money.

Another thing to consider is that just because she gained success and made money off of her contributions does not mean she is a quack. Sure she used others information, which is wrong, after all, she did not invent the zapper, so that I agree with being dishonest. However, if any of you on this forum made it big spreading your ideas, how would you feel if people said you were a sellout for making some money for your contributions?

The problem is when people deviate from their plan to help people and get greedy for money, and end up spreading wrong or misguided info/ pseudo science. The goal must always be in the interest of the people, then yourself. After all, like many great philosophers once believed: the people and the environment around us are us, if we do violence to the people and the environment, we do violence to ourselves.

[goodsamaritan]

Not everyone who doesnt do raw paleo are quacks. People in this forum are always bashing others theories, but if you guys dont like it, why dont you do something about it?

Ummm.... you probably haven't heard about this but Tyler is one of the great thinkers out there who altruistically contributes his knowledge and efforts to promoting BETTER theories than Clark.

- Tyler established the rawpaleodiet@yahoogroups.com mailing list to teach / help / support people how to do a raw paleo diet, etc.
- Tyler helps people do a raw paleo diet at allexperts.com
- Tyler established rawpaleodiet.com and runs rawpaleodiet.com
- Tyler established and runs rawpaleoforum.com - which many of us have benefited immensely
( I'm just Tyler's tech guy, Tyler is my Jedi Master, Tyler runs the raw paleo diet show, notice how his name is called out as the "guru" / proponent of Raw Paleo Diet )

It's true from a raw paleo diet point of view, Hulda Clark's ideas holds very little use.  She did not go far enough in her education.  If she did, she'd be one of us.

[raw-al]

Pioneer,
Nothin wrong with makin a bit 'a scratch off your work. 
I do, in fact I would be a little more than upset    if they didn't give me money.
Is there documented proof or does anyone know of people who benefited from her treatments (aside from the simple zapper stuff) with rather more complex disorders like MS etc ?

[goodsamaritan]

I have not read her book but I know the zapper was made by Robert Becker, a genius.

Robert Beck made a different device.

Hulda Clark's zapper was invented by her son which is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT device.  The zapper plans are made public, for the entire world to learn and improve upon.  Google for "zapper plans".

[raw-al]

Robert Beck made a different device.

Hulda Clark's zapper was invented by her son which is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT device.  The zapper plans are made public, for the entire world to learn and improve upon.  Google for "zapper plans".

GS,
How was Robert Beck's device different?
Was her son's version totally different or just a better version? The downloadable plans are for a simple one.
There are a multitude of people on the web who sell versions that they claim are the penultimate and only "truly powerful" version.
There is video on the web of Bob Becker making other similar devices using coils and capacitors. I almost made one but figured I didn't need it.

[goodsamaritan]

Just look it up in youtube for bob beck blood purifier and look for hulda clark zapper

Different makers have varying theories on how they work.

Google for plans of both, they are not the same.

They may seem to function the same, but they are not. 

There are many more electro-medicine gadgets out there like Beam Ray, True Rife, PyroEnergen

Each has its own use, choose what suits the condition.

I personally think practicing a raw paleo diet as the default lifestyle eliminates the need to use most of the above.  We get the germs on our side.  The germs work for us.  The germs become our friends.

[raw-al]

There are many more electro-medicine gadgets out there like Beam Ray, True Rife, PyroEnergen

Each has its own use, choose what suits the condition.

I personally think practicing a raw paleo diet as the default lifestyle eliminates the need to use most of the above.  We get the germs on our side.  The germs work for us.  The germs become our friends.

I understand electronics from a very basic point of view so looking at plans would be lost on me.

I agree with your conclusion on Raw paleo.

I also believe that all medical systems may work in a limited (or greater) way, even allopathy works to a certain extent. They are all simply manifestations of the level of consciousness of the user. I have been doing this diet for about 8 months and I am fairly certain that it is a good idea.

However I have also seen EFT work on ridiculous illnesses. Although a bit out there, it works.

[pioneer]

I agree with what you said goodsamaritan. I was not bashing tyler at all. I think he is a very wise man, and I thank you for telling me of his altruism. However, I dont like the notion that everyone who does not do or support raw paleo is a quack. Im not calling out tyler here specifically, because so many more in this forum say the same stuff. Sure, raw paleo is the wisest choice, but that does not mean that anyone who does not do it is an idiot. Many are just so misguided by media and textbook doctors that they are not even aware of the diet. For many, it takes a long leap to believe in this diet. Its hard for people to give up the bacteria theory.

[TylerDurden]

By definition, people who ask for money will be compromised to some extent, however small . We've encountered cases where Sally Fallon for example promoted a farmer who fed his animals on grains, not grass, and so on.

As for other non-RPD practitioners,  a few do have interesting things to say, but most don't and caution against bacteria without thinking etc.

[pioneer]

Ok, so I have been watching a lot of videos on bob becker and the man was amazing. He never sold anything and gave his information away for free to the general public. I am about to construct a blood purifier (on the wrist) and see how it works. This device along with the other 3 of the Beck protocol are absolutely amazing. No they are not paleo, but they are harmless and only rid you of disease. As far as I know, not even the RPD can cure AIDS. However, the Beck protocol does not cure everything either. I think one can tremendously benefit using both the RPD and the Beck protocol. He also gives you the free information on how to build the contraption online. I have found the plans, some of which are confusing. If anyone has easy plans, please let me know. Anyway, I am a total advocate of the use of electromedicine. Just the fact that the FDA banned the studying of electromedicine in all universities in the mid 1900s makes me know that the stuff is good. The reason why it was banned was because Rockefeller (who mostly owned the pharmaceutical industry) took action because he himself knew the benefits of electromedicine and knew it would put him out of business. Please everyone watch bob beck's videos online, they will flip your world. I know goodsamaritan advocates Beck's protocol as well. Goodsamaritan, do you have any of the plans, or can you let me know how to easily build one. Also, what should I watch out for?

Another thing I dont understand is that there is conflicting information between bob beck, and the rest of us. Bob beck said that this device kills all pathogens and bacteria. Im assuming he meant bad pathogens and bacteria because without bacteria we're dead. However, he did say that people took acidopholous and other bacteria in junction with the blood purifier, so I dont know, but either way, this is the best way to get rid of parasites and viruses.

If you guys dont see the importance in his work, you are simply blind. WW3 will come someday in the form of biologically invented viruses that not even RPD can cure. Blood electrification is the only thing that will get rid of man made viruses.

[goodsamaritan]

I have not experienced bob beck machines yet.
I am sure they have their place.
Please reply with the links to which videos to watch.

Yon just experienced being sleepy on a Hulda Clark principle zapper improved by Overman.  My wife swears by zappers.

Fellow raw paleo Yon also benefited immensely and immediately from the use of www.pyroenergen.com, helped him get rid of 50% of his stuck dry mucus in 1 hour.  Amazing.  He would cough out mucus when the machine was on and stop when the machine was off.

[pioneer]

Here's Bob's best speech approx 1 hr 50 min ( a must watch)
http://www.twotowers.com/beck/beck_emp.html

here's part 1 of the Beck protocol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYrJuYhElJY

part 2 of the Beck protocol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0EEPtjqfr8&feature=related

Other great videos of electromedicine (this ones funny because an average joe came up with a cure for cancer without even going to college)
http://www.lovenewlife.com/Best.html

All this information is about 4 hours long, but I'll tell you what, they are among the best 4 hours I ever spent on the internet. Bob beck was truly way ahead of his time. He was a holy man who did not profit whatsoever from his information. In fact he did not actually invent the info he talks of, he just resurrected it from other pioneers in electromedicine back in the early and late 1900's. I'll tell you guys what, sooner or later electro medicine is going to be the future of medicine, I guarantee it, and so do many doctors in these videos. These videos, along with Paul Chek's are the best informational videos I have ever seen. They even go over the history of the pharmaceutical industry and how they started being corrupt in 1910 when rockefeller got the FDA to ban the study of electromedicine in all universities because he knew that it would put him out of business.

So far there has been multiple cures for cancer and the information has always been suppressed. I know of these:
Systemic enzyme therapy
Raw food diets
Electromedicine
Bob beck's protocol
DCA in canada
nano molecules blasted with radio waves

The list goes even further, I just have to search more. Here is a case where canadian docs tried to get their cure out but the FDA wont patten it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZNMDDdZybk&feature=related Greedy Fucks. It is in your best interest to watch these videos in their entirety. With WW3 biologically made vaccines coming in the future, we need to be protected, and bob's protocol is the key.

[raw-al]

Ok, so I have been watching a lot of videos on bob becker and the man was amazing. He never sold anything and gave his information away for free to the general public. I am about to construct a blood purifier (on the wrist) and see how it works. This device along with the other 3 of the Beck protocol are absolutely amazing. No they are not paleo, but they are harmless and only rid you of disease. As far as I know, not even the RPD can cure AIDS. However, the Beck protocol does not cure everything either. I think one can tremendously benefit using both the RPD and the Beck protocol. He also gives you the free information on how to build the contraption online. I have found the plans, some of which are confusing. If anyone has easy plans, please let me know. Anyway, I am a total advocate of the use of electromedicine. Just the fact that the FDA banned the studying of electromedicine in all universities in the mid 1900s makes me know that the stuff is good. The reason why it was banned was because Rockefeller (who mostly owned the pharmaceutical industry) took action because he himself knew the benefits of electromedicine and knew it would put him out of business. Please everyone watch bob beck's videos online, they will flip your world. I know goodsamaritan advocates Beck's protocol as well. Goodsamaritan, do you have any of the plans, or can you let me know how to easily build one. Also, what should I watch out for?

Another thing I dont understand is that there is conflicting information between bob beck, and the rest of us. Bob beck said that this device kills all pathogens and bacteria. Im assuming he meant bad pathogens and bacteria because without bacteria we're dead. However, he did say that people took acidopholous and other bacteria in junction with the blood purifier, so I dont know, but either way, this is the best way to get rid of parasites and viruses.

If you guys dont see the importance in his work, you are simply blind. WW3 will come someday in the form of biologically invented viruses that not even RPD can cure. Blood electrification is the only thing that will get rid of man made viruses.

Pioneer,
As I mentioned before Hulga has slid off my radar but through her I discovered others who were interesting. The zapper is not paleo but if you read about it in depth from some who write about it such as Hulga, you can see where it has potential. What the zapper does is indeed kill of microbes in our body. Obviously it cannot kill them all and the story goes that it only kills the harmful ones. How you define harmful is another story which she explains... There are plenty of people on the zapper forums that adamantly argue that it has saved them from a multitude of illnesses. Personally I got one from someone off the internet (ebay) just to try it. I had no issues, so I cannot claim I was saved, however at one point I had an infection in my finger from a splinter. (I enjoy woodworking as a hobby) It was persistent and after a couple of weeks it was starting to become bigger and not nice. Then I remembered the zapper and  tried it. Infection was gone the next day. So I could not do this experiment double blind as I would not have been able to apply the zapper, etc. but... I take it with me when I travel in the event that I get something weird. Mine has three voltage ranges. To me it works. I would not be inclined to do it on myself regularly as some suggest including Bob Beck anymore than I would take a medication blindly. BTW I intentionally take no medications.

I was going to build Bob Beck's very powerful one that uses the disco light capacitor but I could see myself getting the capacitor discharge accidentally during the building sage and decoded to pass on that one. A photographer friend warned me about that as photographer flash units also use capacitors. Capacitors are small electronic components that take electrical charges and store them and then discharge very quickly. So you could take a small electrical source such as batteries in a camera flash, store up a bunch and then discharge it quickly to get a really bright flash.

Hulga claims the Zapper will cure AIDs. I don't have AIDs so I cannot experiment. Who knows.

There is an excellent video on a site from a Vancouver company (Sota Instruments) that is somehow linked to Bob Becker. This link is in the politics section of the site and is an interesting take on the history of North American Medicine. I intend to investigate this guy's book(s) as they sound interesting. This sort of explains some of the difference between North American and European Allopathic (regular doctor medical system) medicine because what happened wasn't centred in Europe and Europe had a different set of realities with a wider range of medical systems available.
http://www.sotainstruments.com/default.aspx?page=9
This video explains what we are up against in publicly talking about a raw diet and bacteria can be your friend theories.

I also was curious about colloidal silver so I got a small generator off the web and carry it in case I get some wild and wonderful disease in my travels. Silver was used as a antibiotic before the advent of Penicillin. No idea if it works.

[raw-al]

vaguely related.
http://www.cancerdecisions.com/content/view/565/2/lang,english/

[pioneer]

Yes Raw Al silver was used by the ancients. Also the Mayans would use electric fishes for people who had sickness, and apparently that was all it took for the sickness to go away. I dont even know much about Hulda Clark per say, and she has been labeled a quack by tyler. But you all have to remember, most doctors who have ever done anything for humanity are labeled quacks. Paul Chek is on quackwatch.com. Honestly who really has the authority to label people quacks as long as the person's credentials are valid. Labeling someone a quack just because you dont agree with them is wrong and violates free speech. No one is a quack until proven so. I am digressing so back to what I was saying. I dont really follow Hulda Clark much, just Bob Becker. IMO Hulda just reiterates what Beck already covered previously. If you want to find out more about corruption and cancer cures watch this
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-3494194760973110305#docid=4312930190281243507

All the research has been done, all the history is there. In all my research I realized that all this information is available to the public, it just takes searching. here is one of the best sites I have ever found on libertarians and freedom, along with previous cures for diseases. http://www.realityzone.com/index.html

All these videos take time to watch, but they are invaluable. Even if you only get to see 10 minutes here and there. Anyway, if you read The Body Electric by Bob Beck you will be astounded. That is the only book you need on the topic of electro medicine. I feel that getting rid of viruses with electricity from 3 9 volt batteries is a way better, less harmful approach than any drug.

[King Salmon]

Have any of you guys actually used the blood purifier?Because I have. I used it quite a few times,but it was real irritating on my wrist, so I stopped using it.It felt kind of cool otherwise,but inconclusive as to better health.

[pioneer]

I have not used it yet and am going to construct one soon and use it right away. I am going back to school and have no choice but to eat cooked cafeteria food for about 8 months, so I probably will get sick and it will be an accurate way to test the device. It sucks how it's school regulation that if you live in a dorm, you must purchase the cafeteria meal plan. Looking on the bright side though, this will give me a chance to do what I have wanted to do, which is to get before and after comprehensive blood tests for the RPD to show changes/ benefits. Then I will write about it and give the information out for free to others.

[raw-al]

Pioneer I feel for ya. Cafeteria foods is the dregs i my experience!

Here is a forum on Zappers:
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=100093

[pioneer]

Ok guys, I have done more research on the Beck protocol and honestly dont know what to think any more. Heres what I have gathered
1. The blood electrifier seems the most believable and is backed by science. I can say I do believe in electromedicine
2. Colloidal silver seems hardly believable due to the fact that there is very little documentation on it (possibly due to FDA and AMA cover ups of case studies). However, there is history backing it that it has been used for centuries as a very strong antibiotic. But, antibiotics are not really useful for people on RPD. I am very skeptical of colloidal silver.
3. Ozonated water is also very skeptical as well. I like the concept that adding more oxygen to your body is good. However one can not forget that ozone 03 is not even oxygen. Also, what about oxidative stress? Isnt oxidation the cause of many diseases? Why do people just assume that more oxygen is a good thing? Drinking ozonated water could be like drinking a glass of free radicals.
4. The magnetic pulser I have not read up on yet and honestly does not seem very useful.

Conclusion: the only treatment out of the 4 that seems the most practical/ truthful/ believable is the zapper/ blood electrifier. All of this information is very unbelievable though, as the people endorsing the info speak of it as a "cure all" which is very suspicious of fraud.

At this point I do not know what to believe. I am only going to try the zapper at the moment, and honestly, once I live in my own apartment in 8 months and eat 100% RPD, I wont need it anyway.

The lack of evidence makes me very skeptical. However, in the back of my mind I cant help but thinking if this stuff was truly good, it would be largely covered up anyway by the pharmaceutical medical industrial complex. My search for true cures will still continue, and I hope to keep an open mind and high level of skepticism. One thing that is certain, what current orthodox medicine and pharmacy is doing to us is way worse than not getting treated to begin with, so besides the RPD there has to be better ways to cure.

So far I have only found cures that all relate to raw food. For example, trypsin cures cancer faster than almost anything. Trypsin is only found in raw food, and inhibited by grain and legumes. Hundreds of case studies have come out about vitamin B17, or Laetril being a curer of cancer and disease. Vitamin B17 (laetril) is also only found in raw food.

It seems to me than nothing is better and more logically believable than raw food diets. And I still hold my strong belief of that eating raw pancreas should eradicate (cant use the word cure) cancer faster than anything else.

[raw-al]

Pioneer,
My understanding is that the ozone is an anti bacterial agent and thus it will kill pathogens that mean you no good.

[pioneer]

But why would you want to take anything anti bacterial? Is bacteria not the whole point of this diet. Their claims seem kind of like quackery to me because some of them say the ozone kills only bad bacteria, but that seems absurd. Why? because antibiotics do not differentiate good from bad.