Deer Antler Velvet?

[kurite]

Hi,
been following some of Daniel Vitals's videos and found that he sells supplements. One of them is deer antler velvet. From a paleo perspective its highly unlikely to have been regularly consumed but what do all of you think about it?
thanks

[TylerDurden]

Sounds like the kind of similiar nonsense peddled by Chinese Medicine re rhino horns etc.

[dsohei]

tyler, do you REALLY think chinese medicine is nonsense?  
c'mon, that kind of stance will damage your credibility.

and to kurite: ive taken a bottle of the silver when i was just starting to eat animal foods again and it did jumpstart me, but like any food-medicine it would need to be taken regularly over a longer period of time to see the more permanent tonic effects. in specific, it boosts testosterone and all the male qualities. warmth, blood flow, physicality/aggression/anabolism.

[TylerDurden]

No, it won't. Much Chinese medicine is based on rubbish such as the notion that parts of certain wild animals increase one's sexual potency etc. Plus, chinese medicine has as a result directly led to extermination of wildlife in many areas.

Other kinds of Chinese medicine don't hold up too well. Acupuncture, for example, has been shown to be only partially effective by scientists.

[kurite]

I actually read into it and some studies on it and all of them lead to positive effects on what dsohei said especially the testosterone boost.

[goodsamaritan]

No, it won't. Much Chinese medicine is based on rubbish such as the notion that parts of certain wild animals increase one's sexual potency etc. Plus, chinese medicine has as a result directly led to extermination of wildlife in many areas.

Other kinds of Chinese medicine don't hold up too well. Acupuncture, for example, has been shown to be only partially effective by scientists.

Remember that western medicine is mostly baloney except for Emergency Room services. (bad reference as "scientists")
Remember that "chinese" medicine encompasses more than a billion people today and of course they have their share of junk.

You can just say you have no good experience with "chinese" medicine.
Or whatever "chinese" medicine you have tried to explore is bunk.

I heal people in my family and all possible sources of healing are welcome.

Oh I've personally seen good stuff work in chinese medicine.  

Other kinds of Chinese medicine don't hold up too well. Acupuncture, for example, has been shown to be only partially effective by scientists.

Sheesh, how can you bad mouth acupuncture?  
Acupuncture is a TOOL.  
Just like a mechanic, I've got a toolbox.
Acupuncture is one of those GOOD TOOLS.

Compare pain relief tools:

western medicine - morphine
chinese medicine - acupuncture

Acupuncture will work, it's drug free and no harm from drug chemical pollution.

If this were a cancer patient, coffee enema would kill pain by fixing the root cause like a congested liver.

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But regarding deer antler velvet, I know nothing about that.

[Rob]

I don;t know anything about its efficacy, but my local elk farm sells velvet:

http://www.velvetpastures.com/recipesandproducts/velvetantler.html

I am not affiliated with them in any way.

[TylerDurden]

My own father was an alternative-medicine freak and tried acupuncture but got a number of painful  side-effects from it, and only mixed benefits, so it's unsurprising that I'm sceptical. The  studies I read a couple of years ago or so seemed to show that acupuncture can be mildly useful in stimulating pain so as to release endorphins and other hormones, but that the placing of the needles etc. is largely a waste of time.

[dsohei]

well, your father is not you, and lends no real experience. perhaps the acupuncturist he was seeing wasn't very good or thousands of other variables. its only one method, that when used correctly and in concert with the right diet, sleep, lifestyle, etc can help.

as far as quoting some articles that prove your point: humans have something called the Reticular Activating System in the brain. its main goal is to search externally for what you believe in or want internally. this is why most people can find rationalizations for their specific belief or theory. this is also why so many scientific studies are garbage - because, people look for what proves their story, rather than looking for what disproves their story.

this is far reaching, not just for personal growth and development, but societally and culturally too.

[miles]

Tyler wins. +3. Goodsamaritan draws +1, rest lose +0.

[KD]

One criticism of acupuncture, from the NH perspective is that it might relive pain, but it 'suppresses' it to other places, requiring more acupuncture or other therapies etc...

I usually just dismiss that crap but in some sense it makes sense to me as if you have an obstruction, its not like it gets pulled out through the needles...

although those heated cup things seem pretty cool.

I think for DV (although a believer in herbalism and probably some aspects of TCM) its just more of a nutritional supplement. Like marrow it would make sense that their would be some nutrition there, whether most animals could make use of it is sort of besides the point. I mean an abundant quantity of fish or krill oil is pretty tough to get naturally.