The mere fact that some HGs did something for 1,000s of years by no means makes it healthy. People have been cooking for millenia, and recent multitude of scientific studies have shown just how harmful cooking is, for example.
Correct, which is why I've never made that claim and have frequently warned against making that assumption and I supported the same cooking example by reporting on the Giant Panda example, which you yourself then cited (see also the text in my signature and icon caption for further reminders that I don't use the approach you're critiquing).
Do you agree with Lowenherz where he made this absolute claim without providing any evidence?:
What can we learn from actual hunter gatherer groups, Phil? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
It would appear that you think that we can at least learn that tubers were the least-preferred of the staple foods of the Hadza from the study that you and I cited and discussed.
Isn't it true that raw Paleolithic diets are not new and that hunter-gatherer diets are the most traditional human dietary approach and doesn't it make sense that we might learn at least some things from the populations and individuals (including folks like Iguana who have been trying raw-Paleo-like approaches for longer than we have, not just hunter-gatherer peoples) in the world whose diets most closely resemble what you classify as a raw Paleo diet, using whatever definition you choose, for much longer than we have been doing? Again, I'm not advocating that anyone blindly emulate anyone, I'm just asking is it possible to learn something and could we use a bit more focus on learning and longer-term experience and thorough experimentation than on speculating and prescribing or advocating for others based on those speculations?
And don't take my word for it. I encourage folks to read something like that Hadza study and see if you don't learn at least a lit bit about something:
http://www.epjournal.net/filestore/EP07601616.pdfOr if that doesn't interest you, maybe the work of someone like Ray Mears who has lived in the wild for weeks at a time and observed many traditional peoples may:
The Ray Mears caveman diet
The survival expert Ray Mears tells why we should all be eating like our hunter-gatherer ancestors
Emma Smith
October 12, 2008
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/men/article4919415.ece
Forget those faddish diets: the grapefruit diet, the South Beach diet, the cabbage soup diet, Posh Spice’s latest starvation diet. There’s only one diet real men need to worry about and that’s the Paleo Diet - aka the Caveman Diet - which, in its most basic form, consists of what our hunter-gatherer ancestors would have eaten.
Who says so? Ray Mears. He’s qualified to pronounce on such matters because he has spent more than a decade researching what our distant forebears used to survive on. He has also spent weeks in the wild with nothing more to eat than nuts, berries and lean meat. These, he believes, are the key to avoiding illness and premature death associated with our excessive western consumption of refined sugar and carbohydrate.
Namibia Ray Mears S1E5 part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fB8n8QM0xY&NR=1
Ray Mears on Ju hoansi Bushmen of Namibia
There's tons and tons of info available nowadays and no excuse any more really, if there ever was, for railing at people based on speculations, unless one's only purpose is venting off steam rather than actually learning anything.
Of course, keep in mind that no one person or group of people has all the answers, so don't rely on a single source of information. In that vein, Tyler, you have provided useful advice about not idolizing gurus.
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