Can you list other worthwhile health forums?

[goodsamaritan]

Hi guys,

Can you list other worthwhile health forums?

Of course besides raw paleo forum.

I hang out at curezone.com sometimes, they are mostly vegetarian / vegan there.

[kurite]

I use to follow 30 bananas a day but i got bored watching a bunch of raw vegans trying to convince themselves that eating only fruit and veges is healthy...

I aslo looked up some paleo forums and found this:
http://cavemanforum.com/
It looks exactly like our forums with a couple of modifications. Whats up with that? Did we copy theirs or did they copy ours?

[goodsamaritan]

It's the forum software SMF.
They have ads, we don't.
They're into cooked and we're into raw.

[majormark]

I used to read some of the Quantum Touch forum a while ago.
It's about energy healing but can be used to things like "energizing" your food. Some even believe that they can change the nutritional value of food that way.

http://quantumtouch.groupee.net/groupee/forums/a/frm/f/3901071811

[Angeline]

Not a forum but a website that ventures into some areas that I have found to be essential for good health. If it turns you off that they sell products, ignore that and focus on the topics addressed. I am finding that they have dramatic effects on health. I'm scientifically oriented and for so many years have been trying to get a good understanding of what the body needs for good health and why I have not been able to attain it. And I have tried every dietary approach that made sense in any way. For me, it hasn't been as simple as food. I haven't been able to get to excellent health and vitality with food alone so far, although it has brought me a long way. This site has interesting and relevant topics on what contributes to health and disease. The orientation of this site is vegan, but what I consider the good information involves quantum physics, cellular biology, commensal cells, understanding the value of fermented foods and probiotics, etc. I don't want to give any sales pitches, but I will say that I have had amazing results since I have been using a stress shield, a scalar device based on the work of Tesla. This tells me that it may be necessary to consider the issue of electromagnetic pollution in our efforts to get healthy (among other things). The site is be beyondrawfood.com. 

[yuli]

I aslo looked up some paleo forums and found this:
http://cavemanforum.com/
It looks exactly like our forums with a couple of modifications. Whats up with that? Did we copy theirs or did they copy ours?

LOL, no one copied anyone...its because both this forum and the other one use the same community forum software by http://www.simplemachines.org/
It's more like neither bothered to make a more customized template and used the default ones 

[TylerDurden]

The fasting yahoo group, covering both caloric restriction and intermittent fasting, is very useful, even if a bit inactive now, it still has an interesting message-archive to read through.

[yuli]

The fasting yahoo group, covering both caloric restriction and intermittent fasting, is very useful, even if a bit inactive now, it still has an interesting message-archive to read through.

The caloric restriction stuff and/or intermittent fasting is very interesting stuff indeed, I read through some of the sites and it just makes so much sense (at least after you stop developing/growing), it also goes incredibly well with the raw food, since on CR your foods should be of highest quality and nutrition   

I have noticed that the longer I eat high quality raw food the less I need to eat to be satisfied, it makes sense. And the more crap you eat the more your body has to work to process it and hence ages.

Have you seen Tonya Zavasta, she's been doing CR for a long while and looks amazing for her age, of 53 I think, her body looks like that of a young healthy woman, and she has beautiful skin.

Here's a pic of her on her site: http://www.beautifulonraw.com/tonya_zavasta_life_story.html
And her video on CR here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbNtNffDXQ0

She looks very healthy and very good in that video I think.

Most of the CR people are vegan or vegetarian, but I think that does not need to be so. It is so easy to include raw meat (esp. lean raw-meat) and that fills you up nicely. Some CR people stay away from red-meat because they think its cancer causing, but I think they are talking about cooked red meat, grass-fed read-meat is definitely NOT cancer causing, and very nutritious, and for me its hard to overeat it.

Interesting subject, we should probably have a thread for rawpaleo role in CR...

[TylerDurden]

IMO, IF is better than CR. With IF, you have more energy to do exercise and are generally healthier and get much the same benefits(though CR proponents dispute this)

[goodsamaritan]

I'm not impressed with caloric restriction while at the reproductive ages.  It will seem to dampen sexuality.  Maybe when I'm 80 or 90 I will get into it.  I like my vigorous sexuality at the moment.

[yuli]

I don't think one is better or worse, it seems like it should be alternating with your activities, what you're doing for the day etc...
In fact maybe doing BOTH is the most beneficial, like:
monday - working out/high exercise day, eat a high amount of calories
tuesday - moderate activity level, eat low amount of calories
wed - sitting on the couch and playing video-games day, fast for the day
etc etc...
just like our instincts should tell us what we need eat (hopefully) it should tell us when we need to up the calories or when a day of fast would be ok.
I do believe eating the exact same amount of calories every day is not good, just like eating the exact same thing everyday may cause you to miss out on important nutrients, it should be fluid.
Also if you think of it in terms of paleo, I doubt primitive people had the same amount of calories and foods everyday, or intermittent fasting every other day, I think it was a little more random and dependent on many natural factors...all in all they probably ate LESS then the modern man though...

[yuli]

I'm not impressed with caloric restriction while at the reproductive ages.  It will seem to dampen sexuality.  Maybe when I'm 80 or 90 I will get into it.  I like my vigorous sexuality at the moment.

I am not sure what you mean the reproductive ages, for me I want at most 1 child (or 2 I guess if twins), so when I decide I want to have it then that period of time will be my reproductive age, since I get pregnant very easy I only need 1 day LOL

Although I like to be highly sexual at times, its nice to have long times of no sex, a lot of other thoughts, revelations, projects come to me during periods when I am not sexual and I almost feel more free during those times, not to say I don't love the sexy times  . I think if you vary your caloric intake, from a lot on certain days to low on others to fasting on some days, there is no reason why your sexuality should suffer (unless you want to be horny and thinking of sex 24/7  ) as long as you are eating a highly nutritious diet, which raw paleo is.
I suspect the people that suffer sexually are the ones that get obsessed with it and constantly eat the same low calorie quantity every day, they become monotonous.
NOTE 1: overly sexual guys can become very annoying after a while and loose their attractiveness to me, while less sexual but attractive & intelligent men become more and more appealing, especially when they choose you to have sex with in the end  , just a thought, I don't know where I am going with this lol, maybe that those types of men get chosen as the primary long-term mates
NOTE 2: sex feels way more intensely good after a period of abstinence especially orgasm is a lot more enjoyable then
NOTE 3: thinking about sex too much interferes with my creative work and concentration when I need it, to me mental growth is at least as important if not more important then just sex

Just like with food, we should have sex and then also have sex-fasts, but to each their own!

[goodsamaritan]

Yep, this confirms you are a natural woman.

Healthy Men on the other hand need to get their rocks off every week or more.  It's inhuman to ask your man to not have sex for a couple of months while only wife is on hiatus.  See what happened to Tiger Woods.

[TylerDurden]

 


As for CR, I should mention that people who religiously practice CR always end up having weak muscles, and have poor ability to exercise. Hardly healthy  - IF, along with some whole day fasts here and there  is fine, but long-term CR is a really bad idea, healthwise.

[Hannibal]

Healthy Men on the other hand need to get their rocks off every week or more. 

That's not necessary.
Several months of sexual abstinence can be very healthy - mentally and physically

[miles]

That's not necessary.
Several months of sexual abstinence can be very healthy - mentally and physically

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[TylerDurden]

I read somewhere that constant frequent sexual intercourse means the man becomes less fertile or something .

[djr_81]

I read somewhere that constant frequent sexual intercourse means the man becomes less fertile or something .

AFAIK it takes 2 days to build up your optimum levels of sperm so sex daily would result in a lowered fertility rate. Maybe you read something similar?

[yuli]

As for CR, I should mention that people who religiously practice CR always end up having weak muscles, and have poor ability to exercise. Hardly healthy  - IF, along with some whole day fasts here and there  is fine, but long-term CR is a really bad idea, healthwise.

I agree if CR is to the point it makes you unable to get muscles or physically perform then it is not a good thing at all! Weak muscles especially in the older ages will DEFINITELY make you age more, which in turn will make the point of CR pointless.

However, what I found though that when I eat raw I naturally started eating way less calories, because less raw food completely satisfies me then cooked food. I don't have to measure everything raw that I eat to notice I am eating substantially less on raw then on SAD, its obvious 
On the days where I lost my rhythm and pigged out on various raw foods I felt almost just as sluggish as I did on SAD, so too much good raw food is almost just as bad I think.

Just for curiosity I entered my raw food for the day into a dietary software one day and yes indeed it is much less calories then when I ate cooked, yet the energy I have is more then usual. I found not exercising for long time has the same weakening effect on me as would extreme CR, so the trick is to only eat enough calories to sustain healthy muscle tone that you need 

I found adding raw meat promotes muscle growth even though I am not eating more meat but less, for example I cauld eat huge amounts of cooked meat, where just half the amount of raw meat is satisfying. Keep in mind a lot of people on CR eat the same low calorie amount EVERY DAY, and they DON'T eat any raw meat, if any meat at all, and THAT'S why they're weak perhaps.

I saw a video of some younger guy on CR that had a damn perfect body, I'll see if I can find that video again.

Oh and if you eat like 3000 calories in a day but you exercise so much that day that you burn 2500 in your workout then that would also be CR even though you consumed a normal amount of calories, you spent them all!

I have days where I want to spend few days working on computer and no exercise except maybe going for a short walk, on those days it makes sense to eat less, and my work concentration will go up. It's all about using your body as well and efficiently as you can, I think that's what will pay off.

[yuli]

That's not necessary.
Several months of sexual abstinence can be very healthy - mentally and physically

I agree, I love sex when its not monotonous and scheduled.
My bf. and I can abstain from sex for 2 months, easy, we have too many other interests in our life, but then after we'll have sex every day for a few days   That makes the sexual relationship fun and refreshing even after a very long time being in the relationship.
The point is a guy should be able to get it up and perform when he feels like he wants to have sex, not walk around all day thinking of having sex lol
If a guy wants to have sex but can't then there may be a problem - either depression, not enough calories, or maybe too many calories but not enough of the right nutrients. Or maybe his wife ain't being hot enough - lol just KIDDING!

Also a guy who's like 22 who wants to have sex all the time I understand, but if a guy is 37 and want sexual things all the time = ANNOYING, do something useful with your brain now! lol

I read somewhere that constant frequent sexual intercourse means the man becomes less fertile or something .

Maybe because men can function better after their system had a longer regenerative time perhaps. Also abstaining from sex does not make you less fertile, as I mentioned my bf. and I will have very long stretched of no sex sometimes, but when we have it its stupid easy for him to impregnate me, and he does not have high testosterone but on the lower end 

[goodsamaritan]

Healthy Men on the other hand need to get their rocks off every week or more. 

This statement never suggested sex every day.
Normal for an aging man would be once or twice a week.
My plumber just got well of liver cancer (due to moi). 
He is 59 and these days has sex 2x a week.

If the #1 woman is on sex hiatus for a few months, her man is getting his rocks off elsewhere.  It's just the way it is.  Normal healthy woman sexuality is different from a normal healthy man.

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Don't worry about it Miles, we know you are a teenager and need to get it off 3x a day.  You are normal

[TylerDurden]

AFAIK it takes 2 days to build up your optimum levels of sperm so sex daily would result in a lowered fertility rate. Maybe you read something similar?

Yep.

[yuli]

If the #1 woman is on sex hiatus for a few months, her man is getting his rocks off elsewhere.  It's just the way it is.  Normal healthy woman sexuality is different from a normal healthy man.

I love to play with a man and help him get his "rocks off", it enjoyable for both sides - no actual sex has to be involved! For a lot of men, to be in the presence of a woman they are attracted to, especially when she is naked and interacting with him, and enjoying his presence, is very sexual, perhaps more so then sex itself at times  

[Waldpfad]

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[cherimoya_kid]

Yep, this confirms you are a natural woman.

Healthy Men on the other hand need to get their rocks off every week or more.  It's inhuman to ask your man to not have sex for a couple of months while only wife is on hiatus.  See what happened to Tiger Woods.

Every week?  For me, at age 36, I have to nearly every day, otherwise I can't sleep at night.