My dad won't let me eat raw meat, help w informing him?

[the PresiDenT]

I am 21, have been eating paleo for 3 some months, but just started eating my organic grass fed meat raw almost 2 weeks ago. i like to be honest and tell people about what i do, but he is really closed minded and thinks i am insane at this point (lol). He will not let me eat my meat raw in the house, and unfortunately i have to live here for the next year due to financial reasons. I have tried to tell him why its better and that its only social conditioning/comfort, but he does not like new ideas or things that make him feel uncomfortable with what he knows.
CAN ANYONE GIVE ME REALLY GOOD INFO/ SCIENTIFIC DOCUMENTED REASONS AS TO WHY RAW MEAT IS BETTER!!!!!?? PLEASE. ty

[majormark]

Scientific stuff, reason or logic will not help if he thinks the way he does.

All you can do is prepare a stake tartar and say that restaurants serve this too because it's the safe way to eat it. Case closed.

[Brother]

All you can do is prepare a stake tartar and say that restaurants serve this too because it's the safe way to eat it. Case closed.

This. Also, I am not going to be popular for stating this but here goes anyway: It is your dad's house. If you cannot get past his programming with kind attempts at enlightenment, you should still follow his rules. Just my oppinion.

The reality is that there arent a whole lot of scientific evidence for this since all money for this kind of research has been put on another horse for some 30+ years. it is only just now starting to dawn on a young generation of scientists that they disobeyed their call by just accepting things at face value because the right titles and degrees spoke them. I sometimes talk to people from the next generation of nutrition professionals here. They are ofcourse shocked at the mere idea of shunning grains (they advocate eating fermented rye and spelt), but they tell people to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. Things are changing. Unfortunally for you, this is useless atm. and by the time the relevant results start to show, you are -hopefully- king of your own castle and can eat anything you like at your table

edited: try to serve him sushi or sashimi. Sushi is not strictly paleo but it is a good place to start for most people since it is so delicious that some people get kind of shocked when they realise they are eating raw fish (yeah...I know, right? but they are out there!)

[goodsamaritan]

Make it a point to make girly presentations of your food like the way our girls do it here in this forum.
You'll get mom on your side and she can do the soft touch on your dad.
Of course, nothing beats results.
I have to show time and time again that results are why I do this.
Results for myself.
And results for my wife and kids when they are sick.
(they only go raw paleo when they are sick)

[Brother]

Make it a point to make girly presentations of your food like the way our girls do it here in this forum.
You'll get mom on your side and she can do the soft touch on your dad.

proper wisdom!

[michaelwh]

He will not let me eat my meat raw in the house, and unfortunately i have to live here for the next year due to financial reasons.

I agree with the advice that others gave. Also, try marinating raw meat in lemon juice, and show your father that it's "the same thing as cooking, but no dirty pans to clean up".

But if none of this convinces him, then as a last resort, you can eat raw meat outside of the house. Find a close-by park with a bench or picnic table, and go there to eat raw meat.

[miles]

Could wrap up warm and eat in the garden.

[RawZi]

i like to be honest and tell people about what i do, but he is really closed minded and thinks i am insane at this point (lol). He will not let me eat my meat raw in the house,

    I would go raw vegan.  That's just me, but cooked meat always made me too sick.  Maybe if you threaten to go vegetarian, he'll let you eat the meat raw.  My Mom was really happy when I started eating raw meat, as I had been vegetarian so long, I don't think she fully accepted it was ok for me to be vege.

[TylerDurden]

Try just cooking your raw meats very lightly so that only the surface is cooked.

There's plenty of scientific data on the harm done by cooking in the Info for newbies section of rawpaleoforum. Nothing on the benefits of raw foods, but there are plenty of personal accounts of rawists who've done well on such a diet.

You could also buy sushi. It's usually low-grade, and often actually all precooked, but it's way better than other processed stuff.

[yuli]

I agree with Tyler, your dad may never change his mind and its his house so his rules...
When my grandma is over (my parents are ok with me eating raw meat but my grandma is not and I can eat it raw but would rather not hear her bitching) and I have to eat while shes watching I throw a big steak on the pan for exactly 4 seconds each side...it ends up being only like 2% cooked! The inside is so raw and still cold and blood pouring out...but don't show your dad the inside of the meat, show him the outside and he sees a 'cooked' steak...then go up to your room and eat it there, tell him you have too much to do on the computer so you have to work while you eat. He'll be like oh what a good boy I have, eating his cooked steak and doing his work!!!

[the PresiDenT]

ty to all the responses. i have already been doing what almost all of u said (eat it when hes not there or outside my house, talk about steak tatar/sushi,ect) but i was hopin for some BAMMM in yo face surprise fact i didnt know about. Its just i wish i could be accepted for what i do, and have MY dinner w my folks at the dinner table instead of being a sneakmaster like back in my SAD stoner teenages days. TY 4 help

[the PresiDenT]

This. Also, I am not going to be popular for stating this but here goes anyway: It is your dad's house. If you cannot get past his programming with kind attempts at enlightenment, you should still follow his rules. Just my oppinion.

The reality is that there arent a whole lot of scientific evidence for this since all money for this kind of research has been put on another horse for some 30+ years. it is only just now starting to dawn on a young generation of scientists that they disobeyed their call by just accepting things at face value because the right titles and degrees spoke them. I sometimes talk to people from the next generation of nutrition professionals here. They are ofcourse shocked at the mere idea of shunning grains (they advocate eating fermented rye and spelt), but they tell people to eat bacon and eggs for breakfast. Things are changing. Unfortunally for you, this is useless atm. and by the time the relevant results start to show, you are -hopefully- king of your own castle and can eat anything you like at your table

edited: try to serve him sushi or sashimi. Sushi is not strictly paleo but it is a good place to start for most people since it is so delicious that some people get kind of shocked when they realise they are eating raw fish (yeah...I know, right? but they are out there!)

Ya i agree, so i just dont do it in from of him. He's a likes his beer cold and has a problem with breaking social norms. I also think when certain people hear about raw paleo, they call u crazy because u are messing with their house of cards belief system. if meat is better raw then.......omg the world is upside down!!!

[laterade]

if meat is better raw then.......omg the world is upside down!!!

That seems to be the case for many, thats why I don't worry about old people and try a tad more with those in my generation. Many young people are starting to realize the world they were given is a joke.

I agree with Tyler, your dad may never change his mind and its his house so his rules...
When my grandma is over (my parents are ok with me eating raw meat but my grandma is not and I can eat it raw but would rather not hear her bitching) and I have to eat while shes watching I throw a big steak on the pan for exactly 4 seconds each side...it ends up being only like 2% cooked! The inside is so raw and still cold and blood pouring out...but don't show your dad the inside of the meat, show him the outside and he sees a 'cooked' steak...then go up to your room and eat it there, tell him you have too much to do on the computer so you have to work while you eat. He'll be like oh what a good boy I have, eating his cooked steak and doing his work!!!

Secrecy bothers me, not to be condescending but I just won't have it.. I had to deal with my parents complaints until my body started to show indisputable signs I was getting healthier and am still getting healthier(only four months into only raw meat now). Now they are just bothered with the fact that they were wrong. LOL  Grandparents are the worst but I love them anyway

Make it a point to make girly presentations of your food like the way our girls do it here in this forum.
You'll get mom on your side and she can do the soft touch on your dad.

Goodsam.. this may be some of the best advice I have heard.

[nicole]

if your busy enough you will never have to eat around them and just eat it in your car on your way to somewhere or in the morning when they are still asleep or on your break at work.
sometimes i cook up a decoy steak but dont actually eat it and just take it with me. i usually use a piece of meat that is scraps. wrap it in tin foil and stick it in the oven. your pops will smell cooked me and be assured of your safety.

[the PresiDenT]

if your busy enough you will never have to eat around them and just eat it in your car on your way to somewhere or in the morning when they are still asleep or on your break at work.
sometimes i cook up a decoy steak but dont actually eat it and just take it with me. i usually use a piece of meat that is scraps. wrap it in tin foil and stick it in the oven. your pops will smell cooked me and be assured of your safety.

ya they make a big fucking deal about "DINNER TIME" and that i eat what they eat so they dont feel weird. even if i dont wanna eat but jsut sit there they get all offended. its bs. i need out so bad. once u get past 20 and have to live at home.....fuckk my life

[miles]

I've always just eaten when I wanted.

[laterade]

ya they make a big fucking deal about "DINNER TIME" and that i eat what they eat so they dont feel weird. even if i dont wanna eat but jsut sit there they get all offended. its bs. i need out so bad. once u get past 20 and have to live at home.....fuckk my life

Damn... your older than 20? Respect and obedience are two different things. You should always treat your parents with the respect and compassion they deserve, they have given you everything. However it is my stance that obedience is dangerous past the age of 15. They are hindering your ability to practice discretion.
Stand up for yourself. I understand you are a girl and this will be considerably harder, but be bold. They will have more faith in you if you display confidence and ask them to speak with you about it. My clincher was something like "I love you and appreciate your concern, but my health is my responsibility." I said it when I decided to stop taking ritalin at 15. I said it again 4 months ago when I started eating lots of RAF.
Above all be open and never leave without finding some resolve. They love and care about you, and If you are not confident in your self enough to stand up for your convictions then maybe RAF is not for you. (although I wouldn't recommend eating anything else   )
This is a big deal to parents, It almost crushed my heart to hear my mother tell me she feared for my life. But I feel so right in eating this way that I will not change any time soon. Since then they have chilled out, primarily because my wellbeing has improved noticeably.
These are just my thoughts,
Good luck!

[the PresiDenT]

I understand you are a girl and this will be considerably harder, but be bold. They will have more faith in you if you display confidence and ask them to speak with you about it. My clincher was something like "I love you and appreciate your concern, but my health is my responsibility."

lol i am not a girl, but my parents are just crazy control freaks. they make rules "because this is our house and if u want to live here u have to obey us" and i say, "but why these rules dad?" ...."because"  so there is realy no way to have open discusions in our house. i need out so bad lol. i can not wait till august

[laterade]

my bad I looked down and thought I was addressing "nicole". LOL
If I was in your shoes(i would have moved out LOL.. but if you don't see that as an option) I would just eat raw as much as possible. Eat dinner with them and enjoy what they have to offer. Unless you feel that you NEED to eat 100% raw right now, don't stress it.
what happens in august?

[the PresiDenT]

broke atm, i had to move back home 1 year ago, and in august i go to vancouver 4 school

[laterade]

broke atm, i had to move back home 1 year ago, and in august i go to vancouver 4 school

cool I might be moving to washington. what are you going to school for?

[the PresiDenT]

lib studies. want to become a laywer. i persoanlly feel / belief us raw paleo have a signifigant upperhand on society

[laterade]

lib studies. want to become a laywer. i persoanlly feel / belief us raw paleo have a signifigant upperhand on society

That is legit, I am sure with the clarity of paleo you will kick ass in court.

[the PresiDenT]

That is legit, I am sure with the clarity of paleo you will kick ass in court.

thx, ne one who is legit dedicated paleo will be a force to be recond with, mentally, physically, and spiritually. we are more aware, in touch, quick, and articulate.

i don't mean to brag but do any of u guys find u get people look at u a lot more, almost like u are a different breed?

[laterade]

i don't mean to brag but do any of u guys find u get people look at u a lot more, almost like u are a different breed?

I am pretty sure we are a different breed. At least spiritually. Think about how much toxic waste was shoveled into us(ritalin kids especially), and we still came out on top. I am pretty sure we are blessed from the start.
I can sympathize, this has almost completely changed social interaction for me. I bring as many people in as I can.  If we continue to awaken the wolves, I am sure the sheep will follow even if they eat bird feed.