22 kg fatty male mutton

[Hannibal]

That's how it looks like -



Isn't it delicious?
The ram had eaten grass, herbs, wild fruits, etc.

[RawZi]

That's how it looks like -



Isn't it delicious?
The ram had eaten grass, herbs, wild fruits, etc.

    That's great, thank you.  I thought mutton was less fatty than lamb??  What fruits do they eat?

[Hannibal]

  What fruits do they eat?

Wild pears, apples, berries.

[Hannibal]

I thought mutton was less fatty than lamb??  

No, it's definitely more fatty than lamb. The older the more fatty the sheep is.
Besides the ram was killed in the half of the September - it's a perfect time to do it.

[Michael]

You seem to have access to some amazing foods there Hannibal what with this beautiful mutton and the lamb's testicles etc in your other pic!  Such quantities too!!  I'm a touch envious!   Is it easy to obtain such an array of grass-fed animal foods in Poland?  Do you buy from local farms, butchers, markets or online?

[Hannibal]

Is it easy to obtain such an array of grass-fed animal foods in Poland?  Do you buy from local farms, butchers, markets or online?

It's easy when you know where to buy.
I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming -  the more natural the better

[Haai]

How long do you reckon 22kg will last you?

[Hannibal]

How long do you reckon 22kg will last you?

I guess - about one month

[RawZi]

Wild pears, apples, berries.

    Thanks!

No, it's definitely more fatty than lamb. The older the more fatty the sheep is.
Besides the ram was killed in the half of the September - it's a perfect time to do it.

    I know here on forum it is explained that when an animal gets older, it grows fat under it's skin oven the muscled on the back, most animals, right?  But I read on Dr D'Adamo's site that mutton is almost fatless, while lamb is fatty.  I realize he can be wrong in things, but as far as I knew (which was nothing) he was right in that.  Also in the following links:

http://www.elook.org/nutrition/lamb/4272.html

http://www.elook.org/nutrition/ethnic/5484.html

..basically the same as D'Adamo.  Pictures speak better though, by people who eat meat.  D'Adamo has type A blood, and his theory dictates he can't eat meat.  He probably never saw mutton.

    Yeah, I know it makes sense in the Northern hemisphere to slaughter in Autumn.

[RawZi]

I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming

    I've had only very good experiences at halal stores, Egyptian/American etc, grassfed meat and fat, organs, not expensive, goat etc.

    I heard here in the town I'm presently in you have to buy a whole animal at slaughter.  I have not asked directly yet though.  I brought a devout Muslim neighbor man to the farm I get chickens at sometimes.  He found the chicken the way they raised it/the quality very acceptable and bought and will buy meat there again, as the chicken he normally gets does not seem the same, and he has food sensitivities..

    I never heard of Dagestan.  Learn something new every day.

[Hannibal]

I has got type A blood and I devour meat.
The full-grown sheep of my friend farmer, Abdul, are fatty, so the mutton is fatty, esp. at the end of the summer and at the begging of the fall.
He doesn't kill lambs - they are lean and haven't got much meat.

[Michael]

It's easy when you know where to buy.
I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming -  the more natural the better

Sounds like heaven on earth Hannibal!  I need to get myself some Muslim friends, obviously.  Do Muslims, and people from that region in general, have a tendancy towards natural farming?  I hadn't heard of this but it sounds very interesting.  You're very fortunate to have access to such wonderful food!

22kg sounds like about a months supply to me too.  I usually order my meats fortnightly but have just placed my first monthly order with my supplier now that I have my new meat hanging/aging fridge set up.  I've ordered 20kg lamb plus liver and hearts.

I has got type A blood and I devour meat.

Glad to hear it.  I think there may be some basis of truth with Peter D'Adamo's early work but I think most of it is money-motivated nonsense.

The full-grown sheep of my friend farmer, Abdul, are fatty, so the mutton is fatty, esp. at the end of the summer and at the begging of the fall.
He doesn't kill lambs - they are lean and haven't got much meat.

I tend to eat lamb as my mainstay meat.  The breast cuts that I get are extremely fatty - sometimes consisting of very little actual meat!  The mutton is much harder to obtain but when I do it hasn't appeared to be as fatty as the lamb ordinarily.  However, this could well be due to the season of slaughter/purchase which I haven't closely monitored.

[TylerDurden]

The problem re buying meats from most Muslims is that they  practice halal which means letting the blood out from the carcass after slaughter. IMO, the blood is part of what makes the meat taste great.

I once tried to get hold of high quality grassfed meats from a number of local halal butchers, as I'd hoped they would have higher quality meats. Not one of them had the remotest clue what I was talking about and clearly just sold low-grade supermarket meat which had been slaughtered halal-style, nothing more.

[Michael]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences on that TD.  Perhaps it wouldn't prove as fruitful here in the UK as I was beginning to hope in that case.  We seem to really struggle for quality foods here in the UK compared to our compatriots!

[Hannibal]

The problem re buying meats from most Muslims is that they  practice halal which means letting the blood out from the carcass after slaughter. IMO, the blood is part of what makes the meat taste great.

IMO the meat is better when the blood is let out.

[TylerDurden]

IMO the meat is better when the blood is let out.

Not my experience. I find the taste of raw wild hare is far better because it's still full of blood whereas other wild game that had been partially bled out a bit tastes not as good. The worst food I've ever tasted was white veal meat in France which was , of course, intensively farmed, and so free of blood that I think it came from the kosher/halal industry, originally.

I haven't, of course, been a regular consumer of kosher/halal meats but I recall Tony Robbins mentioning how kosher/halal meat is tasteless once the blood goes from it, and others have mentioned the same. Admittedly, Robbins  is a semi-vegan

[Hannibal]

Goat meat and mutton from my friend Abdul is definitely not bland. Its taste and flavour is very distinct.
Once he had some cuts of beef and the blood wasn't let out - the beef wasn't good.

[Sully]

Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?

Cool!

[Sully]

I like the blood in meat too. The bison I get seems to have it. I don"t know why. I wonder how north star slaughters them.

Our ancestors would have likely never cut the throat of an animal. Might have speared it in the neck though, causing similar results as slicing the throat. .


Edit: I think north star just freezes it right away. At least the ones I get frozen from the store. Fresh meat sits on those absorption packs, soaking up much of the juice and/or blood inside the meat that runs out.

Which is why I like to choose the meat with the darkest red color.

[raw]

in my farm that's the way i'd raise my animals. all wild fruits and grass they will graze on. most of the time, i don't even rinse the red meat to eat. i just take them with the blood. with ground meat, it's even worse. so, i stop eating them for good.

[Hannibal]

Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?

Only in the winter as it is impossible for them to feed only on hay.
But that fat is made during spring and esp. summer when they live only off the land.

Our ancestors would have likely never cut the throat of an animal.

Why not? Look at the way the carnivores kill their victims.

[TylerDurden]

Why not? Look at the way the carnivores kill their victims.

Carnivores usually just choke their prey to death.

[raw]

Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?

Cool!

in third world, farmers are too poor to feed the animal grains. so ultimately they don't eat grain. lambs or goats are huge storage of ultimate  fats .

[Hannibal]

in third world

Gee, thnx. Poland isn't a third world

lambs or goats are huge storage of ultimate  fats

The goats aren't definitely fatty. They devour huge amounts of plants, but they would never get fatty. They're similar to roe deers - they all are very lean.

[raw]

Gee, thnx. Poland isn't a third world ;)The goats aren't definitely fatty. They devour huge amounts of plants, but they would never get fatty. They're similar to roe deers - they all are very lean.

well, i know about lamb and goat from south east asia. they just graze wild grass and other things. lambs are very fatty there and people don't like to eat fatty meat.