What cooked, non-palaeo foods are you eating?

[TylerDurden]

OK, this is a joke-thread where people can post about their forays into SAD-eating territory etc.

OK, I shall start:-


Today, being in Vienna, I had an Esterhazy-schnitte, a type of cake, and a couple of other cakes such as Malakofftorte with some relatives. They are full of pasteurised dairy, and processed stuff, but it reminds me of my childhood, and Viennese cakes are far superior to most foreign varieties, so I don`t react to them anywhere as badly as other non-RPD foods. Since I visit Vienna only very rarely(once every 5 years usually), this one occasion is no big deal for me. Will also be eating some partially raw Treznewski sandwiches(very high quality, not train-station fare) on another similiar event, otherwise just eating rawpalaeo fare from then on such as  raw wild stagmeat, raw wild hare and the like   -  only non-rawpalaeo food would be raw sauerkraut,  elderberry juice( 1 bottle), and likely some cooked elements from a possible future meeting at a local  sushi bar meal( 1 thing that really annoys me is that much of so-called sushi actually involves cooked fish - I even saw at the airport  some Marks and Spencer sushi boxed sets where they idiotically and proudly asserted on the labels that there was no raw seafood  whatsoever in any of their sushi boxes)

OK, so I`ve confessed my sins, over to you:-

[infinitenexus]

over medium eggs and beef bacon for breakfast.  Paleo, but cooked.  Last night I was so hungry I was shaking, so I stopped by the taco bell drive through on my way home from work and grabbed a quesadilla.  It was salty and now today I have gas, lol.

[klowcarb]

I guess my meal last night was "SAD":

grassfed ground beef, seared
eggs cooked into an omelet.

Oh, I feel diabetes coming on....

[Sully]

hahahaha


had some cooked beef heart 


Edit: that was yesterday

[TylerDurden]

I guess my meal last night was "SAD":

grassfed ground beef, seared
eggs cooked into an omelet.

Oh, I feel diabetes coming on....

Well, with all the cooked crap you are eating, albeit semi-palaeo, you can expect a higher load of AGEs, and therefore an increased rate of aging and other conditions, if not diabetes.

[kurite]

I went to costco and ate nearly 1lb of dates. They were sun dried and technically fruit but still... This was about a week ago. Other than that I occasionally eat cooked eggs.

[miles]

I ate some raw meat yesterday that came from a shop, cut into joints/steaks/internal organs already, I didn't even hunt the animal myself...

[RawZi]

    Real fatty pemmican, I'm eating some to get my cats to eat.  They're not into fresh salmon, fresh chicken liver, grain free canned cat food etc, but they're hungry, so here goes the pemmican.  It usually encourages them to eat better if they see and hear me enjoying a food that they can eat.  (fed it to my hamsters too but they loved it).  I kind of like the pemmican.  My health can't tolerate jerky, cooked, lightly seared or frozen meat, but somehow the pemmican goes down alright and no noticeable bad problems later.  It would taste better with ketchup on it though.  I know, cause I tried. 

[raw]

i go under tremendous stress (for past two yrs) everyday seeing my aunt cooking all those  good smelling stuffs in my kitchen. when i'm strictly on raw food diet, it's very annoying . another part is that, i also cook for my husband sometimes for his diner. so last night i bake a huge red snapper and he doesn't eat the head and other meaty part. i don't feel my hunger, but looking at the whole fish makes me upset to throw away. so i finish rest of the parts. not bad!!

[ForTheHunt]

Sweet, sweet potatoes.

I do cheat regularly but I never ever ever eat any grains.

[yuli]

A tasty salad of:
chopped tomatoes
drenched in cold-pressed olive oil
plenty of lemon juice
some grated raw aged cheddar and sour kraut. 

[goodsamaritan]

A tasty salad of:
chopped tomatoes
drenched in cold-pressed olive oil
plenty of lemon juice
some grated raw aged cheddar and sour kraut. 

Isn't this all raw?

[Sully]

Yeah yuli, although cheese not really paleo, but I think all that would usually be the regular "What are you eating right now topic.


Edit: unless the kraut is cooked, i can get raw kraut at the store here, or make it myself

[yuli]

Tyler said that raw cheese & raw dairy is not to be mentioned on the other topic, because although its raw, its not rawpaleo, lol!
But just because we're eating something non-raw-paleo it can still be healthy...this is a good thread because it can show people what foods can they choose if they have no raw-paleo foods at hand, a salad with raw cheese or some baked fish for example is 200% better then a Harveys burger, a quesadilla, pizza or some other crap!
If I don't have any raw animal foods at hand I will always go for a lightly cooked paleo (= And even then I will add things like sour kraut and ACV with it to boost digestion of the cooked food!
Yes it's cheating but like FTH mentioned, I will cheat with cooked paleo sometimes, I am not going to NOT eat when I want to eat but have no raw meat you know, but never grains yuk

And while in spirit of this topic, I had 2 small some lightly seared beef patties today, made with garlic and some good spices.
So I guess today is a cooked paleo day for me   

But tomorrow for breakfast I am stuffing myself with some raw wild haddock curently defrosting in the fridge 
Ugh...I gotta go shopping soon 

[yuli]

Edit: unless the kraut is cooked, i can get raw kraut at the store here, or make it myself

Oh my no the kraut was definitely raw, why would anyone cook kraut, its already delicious, that should be a sin!!! 

[RawZi]

Oh my no the kraut was definitely raw, why would anyone cook kraut, its already delicious, that should be a sin!!! 

    Is kraut paleo?  I have Rejuvenative Foods raw sauerkraut salt-free with dill and lemon in the fridge.  It tastes to me like they took shortcuts in that they ground it real fine to try to get it started easier, and didn't wait for fermentation but added lemon juice to make it seem fermented.  I doubt paleo men ate it.  I'm eating a teaspoon now.  The sauerkraut I see in conventional supermarkets is all cooked, I believe, when I see it which is just about never. 

    I think I bought food in a conventional "all American" SAD regular market once this year.  Funny, walking down it's isle, I feel like it's a modern art museum, rather than a food display, all the plastic, crazy colors and boxes.

    I just had a sip of raw milk too, finishing a cup from yesterday, almost.  I added an 80,000,000,000 count probiotic to it yesterday, from a vege cap (refrigerated).

    I understand we can post beef in the other thread, but other things here.  I do not fully agree that beef is paleo, even through probably 92% of you do, but that doesn't matter to me.  I'm happy to have this thread.  Thank you for putting up with my dairy and juice, although I don't drink much of it anymore.

[klowcarb]

Well, with all the cooked crap you are eating, albeit semi-palaeo, you can expect a higher load of AGEs, and therefore an increased rate of aging and other conditions, if not diabetes.

I do eat raw and super rare, Tyler, and I doubt I could get diabetes eating NO carbs (carbs = sugar) and doing weightlifting and keeping in shape.  I have not heard of any instance of a zero carber getting diabetes. As for aging, that is why I do ZC in the first place. Sugar is aging. I am careful not not accumulate many AGE's. If I could stomach raw eggs, but the yolks make me sick.

[yuli]

   Is kraut paleo?  I have Rejuvenative Foods raw sauerkraut salt-free with dill and lemon in the fridge.  It tastes to me like they took shortcuts in that they ground it real fine to try to get it started easier, and didn't wait for fermentation but added lemon juice to make it seem fermented.  I doubt paleo men ate it.  I'm eating a teaspoon now.  The sauerkraut I see in conventional supermarkets is all cooked, I believe, when I see it which is just about never.  

    I think I bought food in a conventional "all American" SAD regular market once this year.  Funny, walking down it's isle, I feel like it's a modern art museum, rather than a food display, all the plastic, crazy colors and boxes.

    I just had a sip of raw milk too, finishing a cup from yesterday, almost.  I added an 80,000,000,000 count probiotic to it yesterday, from a vege cap (refrigerated).

    I understand we can post beef in the other thread, but other things here.  I do not fully agree that beef is paleo, even through probably 92% of you do, but that doesn't matter to me.  I'm happy to have this thread.  Thank you for putting up with my dairy and juice, although I don't drink much of it anymore.

To me its VERY hard to determine is something is really paleo, I mean cmon, that was a LONG time ago...many plants animals have changed since then...I look at paleo as in the terms of modern-paleo...something that is clean, drug/hormone-free, organic and raw...its pretty paleo to me....but the real PALEO cavemen people didn't have access to it, but WE don't have access anymore to the things THEY had. I don't see any mammoths running around do you? Well they didn't have any cows, but I see nothing wrong with eating grass-fed cows, cats are not paleo but we have cats as pets, and then some people even eat cats (eeek)...and they are beneficial, so its all relative.

It's funny Raw-zi, I haven't walked down the isles of a conventional supermarket for a long time, maybe I should visit it like and ART Gallery ha ha ha

You don't need dill and lemon to make sour-kraut, you just need the tiniest amount of sea-salt and maybe water (optional), then put a weight on it and let it rot (when the cabbage is weighted and rots it lets out a lot of water already hence why you should not use a lot of water to make it)...thats how I eat mine. If I don't have it home-made there is a farm that makes it the traditional way and they sell cans to my healthfood store (=

Saur kraut is not paleo, oh well, I still think its an exceptional nutritional food item. Neither is ACV, but its awesome as well... Maybe not EVERYTHING we modern humans invented in terms of food is bad? Anyone though about that?  

[goodsamaritan]

It's all about results!

[yuli]

I do eat raw and super rare, Tyler, and I doubt I could get diabetes eating NO carbs (carbs = sugar) and doing weightlifting and keeping in shape.  I have not heard of any instance of a zero carber getting diabetes. As for aging, that is why I do ZC in the first place. Sugar is aging. I am careful not not accumulate many AGE's. If I could stomach raw eggs, but the yolks make me sick.

I think overeating sugar and processed crap is definitely more aging the a little bit of AGEs here and there, there are a LOT of other things that age us like the environment and stress as well, not exercising too plays a big part. Also I know some of you don't like to hear it but GENETICS also plays its part, my boyfriend smokes a lot, does some drugs, eats a lot of crap, processed sugar here and there (although I am working hard on improving this guy  ), well he looks MUCH younger then he is and has a lot of hair on his head and never gains a pound. Hmmm why is that, maybe genetics, his dad is old and doesn't take great care of his health and he also still has his hair and looks young, in their case the only thing I can attribute this to is genetics. 

[TylerDurden]

I do eat raw and super rare, Tyler, and I doubt I could get diabetes eating NO carbs (carbs = sugar) and doing weightlifting and keeping in shape.  I have not heard of any instance of a zero carber getting diabetes. As for aging, that is why I do ZC in the first place. Sugar is aging. I am careful not not accumulate many AGE's. If I could stomach raw eggs, but the yolks make me sick.

I actually was stating that  you would not get diabetes but that you would age faster because of the AGEs-overload, you simply misinterpreted my statement.  As regards AGEs, while eating raw does help, the cooked foods you eat do contain some AGEs(specifically a type of AGEs, called Alpha Lipoxidation End Products(ALEs) in the case of cooked meats, among other toxins, so while you won't age anywhere near as fast as SAD)-eaters there will still be an effect of some sort(slightly increased arthritis by comparison to 100 percent Rawpalaeos, when in old age etc. etc.

[TylerDurden]

As regards what Yuli said, this might be a good thread for pointing out non-rawpalaeo foods which are the "least worst", so as to give newbies some idea of what to do in social situations with SAD-eaters etc. Yet another good reason for splitting the original thread into 2.

I would prefer raw dairy to be mentioned in some similiar thread made on the primal diet forum, as so many people here have had issues with raw dairy - same applies to raw veggie juices, IMO.

[RawZi]

... Yet another good reason for splitting the original thread into 2.

I would prefer raw dairy to be mentioned in some similiar thread made on the primal diet forum, as so many people here have had issues with raw dairy - same applies to raw veggie juices, IMO.

    I've spoken with people here who think they can't drink raw milk; because they tried 155'F raw salted cheese as a food, and it upset their stomach(s).  Raw dairy does need to be explained better.   As for juices, for example raw vegans always want to drink it down within the first 5 minutes it is extracted (or buy pasteurized juice and think it's raw).  Many primal dieters I know make juice for the week with a juicer, immediately stir in unheated honey, and it keeps.

[Hanna]

I would prefer raw dairy to be mentioned in some similiar thread made on the primal diet forum, as so many people here have had issues with raw dairy - same applies to raw veggie juices

[TylerDurden]

Not at all. Raw dairy consumers and those who eat some cooked foods can  have their own thread in the relevant forums. This is the Rawpalaeo thread.