Is Fruit Meant For Man

[Sully]

I agree with Kyle a bit.

wild fruit vs dom. fruit & wild animals vs dom. animals
are different topics and should be looked at individually.

In my opinion, the more wild the better as far as health.

This is how I look at it. Going from best to worse
Pure Wild Animals > Grass Fed Bison, Elk etc. > Highly Breed Grass Fed Beef, Lamb etc. > Organic & "Naturally" Raised Grain Fed > Grain Fed Intensively Raised

Wild Fruits > Close To Wild Ancestors (seeded fruit, concord, dom. rasp etc.) > Far From Wild Ancestors (seedless bananas, oranges, grapes etc.)

In other words, the closer to wild the better. Also, keep in mind, some do well with temperate zone fruits, some do well with tropical fruits, depends on you genetic ancestry. I can get wild grapes, but can't eat as much as i can wild raspberries. Every fruits is different.

Its funny how nature can balance things.
Wild grapes I can't eat much of and there are plenty and have a long season.
Wild black raspberries I can eat more of, but are not as plentiful as wild grapes and have a shorter season.

[Sully]

Wild raspberries are the sweetest fruit Ive eaten.

That's bullshit.
Sorry I had to put out there like that. But it's the truth.


I have had plenty of purely wild small undomesticated black/red raspberries, if they are the sweetest fruit you tasted, you must have only tried wild raspberries and wild grapes my friend.

I just can't believe you wrote that.....

[miles]

Who is eating 300g meat/300g fat and what does that translate into in terms of % calories as fat?

Who is eating 300g meat/300g fat and what does that translate into in terms of % calories as fat?

"I've been eating 200g fat + 200g meat"
"I've been trying to consume 300g fat per day"
"I reckon I'll try 300g meat per day"
-Mr BBQ

There are plenty of people who have posted about eating these levels of fat, and complaining about lethargy etc...

50:50 meat:fat by mass..12.5:50 protein:fat by mass, 25:100 protein:fat by mass, 25:200 protein:fat by calories. 200/225*100= 88.9% calories from fat.

85:15 meat:fat by mass...21.25:15 protein:fat by mass, 21.25:30 protein:fat by calories, 7.83:10 protein:fat by calories. 10/17.83*100=56% fat by calories.

[djr_81]

That's bullshit.
Sorry I had to put out there like that. But it's the truth.


I have had plenty of purely wild small undomesticated black/red raspberries, if they are the sweetest fruit you tasted, you must have only tried wild raspberries and wild grapes my friend.

I just can't believe you wrote that.....

I agree wholeheartedly.

[Raw Kyle]

Even if wild raspberries are very sweet in comparison to some domesticated fruits, they are so small and hard to find that it's not the same amount of potential sugar consumption. If I went to the grocery store or a modern fruit farm and you went into the bushes or woods and we had a competition to collect the most sugar in fruit form in a day, I would beat you so bad you'd feel it for the rest of your life.

[Sully]

Even if wild raspberries are very sweet in comparison to some domesticated fruits,

They aren't, besides lemons, limes, cranberries, yup, can't think of much that isn't sweeter. Only fruits that aren't sweeter than wild raspberries are the ones breed to be tart

take a look at this, i compare wild vs dom.

[yuli]

The raspberries that grow on my bushes are medium in size, not as small as the wild and not as big as the store-bought ones. Perhaps they are domesticated kind but they have been growing in the yard for over 10 years without us taking care of them or using any fertilizers, they seem very viable to reproduce and keep regenerating by themselves. They are round in shape like the wild black ones instead of elongated.
Also they don't taste that sweet to me at all, well the red ones don't, I have some gold rasperries and those taste just like nectar  

I stumbled onto raspberry bushes in a park and they were pretty wild, growing in the forest beside the river. However those were large, BUT the individual 'bubbles' were tiny and were lots of them to form the pretty large berries. Also they were red.

I think there are many breeds of berries like raspberries, and that they evolve over-time even if they are wild. Based on where they are growing and the weather etc. I usually only get raspberries from my bushes for a shorter time during late summer/early fall. But it was so hot and humid and sunny in Toronto this summer that I got like four times the yield and the new ones kept popping up every day like crazy. They also turned out much less sweet as well then usually, maybe because they were growing too much. Just a thought on how these things can also affect sweetness of naturally growing fruit.

[yuli]

heres my reply to durianrider

Awesome reply, oh and you look way better then that guy durianrider, more in shape and your speech is not weird and disjointed.
This is why "he don't talk about people like you"!

[Hannibal]

That 100x sugar argument is completely wrong. Yes there are certain wild variations of wild apples that have very low sugar content but there are plenty that are sweet, not as sweet as todays apples but still sweet. Same with other wild fruit. Wild raspberries are the sweetest fruit Ive eaten.

That's very true.
There are many wild fruits which are seet, e.g. rasberries.
On the other hand I've got domesticated apples on my orchards, which are sour; but I like them

[kurite]

That's bullshit.
Sorry I had to put out there like that. But it's the truth.


I have had plenty of purely wild small undomesticated black/red raspberries, if they are the sweetest fruit you tasted, you must have only tried wild raspberries and wild grapes my friend.

I just can't believe you wrote that.....

Lol maybe it wasnt raspberries that i ate, but it definately looked like them. Whatever berry it was, it tasted like candy to me.

[Hannibal]

Because something is sweet doesn't necessarily mean that's a neolithic unhealthy food.
Acacia honey is very sweet due to its high fructose content - and it's a very natural food, definitely paleo one.

Assuming that man's tastebuds are not superfluous, but nature's way of guiding him to the food he needs, let us examine the notion that the cave man diet satisfied only the bitter, sour or pungent portion of his tasting apparatus, and not the salty or sweet. A number of studies report that honey, far from being a rare delicacy, contributed a substantial portion of the calories in many primitive diets. The Hazda of Tanzania, the Mbuti pygmies of the Congo, the Veddas or Wild Men of Sri Lanka, the Guayaka Indians of Paraguay, the Bushmen of South Africa and the Aborigines of Australia, all put a high value on honey and consumed it in large amounts. East coast American Indians consumed plentiful portions of maple syrup, and used it in the production of pemmican. Wild fruits and berries are incredibly sweet at the peak of ripeness, and can be preserved in various ways for consumption throughout the year. Fermented foods of the Eskimo are described as tasting as sweet as candy. Primitive man did not consume refined sweeteners, as we do, but neither did he neglect his sweet tooth.

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=126&db=7&C0=774

[djr_81]

Lol maybe it wasnt raspberries that i ate, but it definately looked like them. Whatever berry it was, it tasted like candy to me.

It could have been a more modern variety that someone tossed out and it established. It could have also possibly been a Mulberry; those are noticeably sweeter but somewhat similar in shape.

[wodgina]

yeah...This is why I've personally stopped having sympathy or desire to 'bring over' those who can't already tell the difference in integrity (not to mention health - but I guess that is my opinion) between the two for instance. I mean particularly on just addressing raw meat eaters honestly, it was claimed that a frail mate recently "are more raw meat than anyone in Australia" yet also said a large portion (>40%?) of calories was also criticized as being honey. Obviously not only does this not make sense mathematically there was some mental lapse in folks like Scott Wheeler (featured on Australia's TODAY show) and wodg (who boots these dudes frequently so should be known), who both eat almost certainly more meat, not to mention are very fit and even do endurance sports.

My teeth have fallen out and I'm wasting away, I need 4 litres of cane juice every 24 hours to heal me

[PaleoPhil]

There are many wild fruits which are seet, e.g. rasberries.

Did you not notice this post just 3 posts above yours?:

They aren't, besides lemons, limes, cranberries, yup, can't think of much that isn't sweeter. Only fruits that aren't sweeter than wild raspberries are the ones breed to be tart

For what it's worth, my experience matches Sully's re: wild raspberries. All the wild raspberries I've tried (red and black) have been less sweet than domesticated ones and much less sweet than most domesticated fruits. Same goes for wild blueberries. Despite wild blueberries being less sweet than domesticated, I think they are tastier and have a firmer, more pleasant texture.

[Hannibal]

Did you not notice this post just 3 posts above yours?

Yes I did.
That was what Sully said. He has got his experience; I've got mine.

[miles]

I've found wild self hand-picked black-berries much more enjoyable than any berries I've ever bought.

[PaleoPhil]

I've found wild red and black raspberries and wild blueberries enjoyable, and enjoy wild blueberries much more than domesticated, but just as sweet as domesticated? I haven't found that, though I can imagine if the soil was just right it might be possible in rare cases.

I haven't had wild blackberries in a while, so I can't recall for sure how their sweetness compared to domesticated ones, but I think the wild ones were less sweet.

[Sully]

From less sweet to sweetest for wild fruits I find here.
Blackberries and red raspberries do grow wild further away from Milwaukee.
I don't end up getting them often, since they are not in Milwaukee.



These are choke cherries (several varieties, I can find a batch close to home, that have a very sweet taste, even sweeter than the black raspberry when fully ripe,

This Wild Plum Is RIPE WHEN COMPLETELY RED, Practically Inedible Unless completely red.


Domesticated Fruits That I find Here and May be Mistaken for Wild, From Less sweet to sweetest
Apples and sour cherries are hard to order since there are many varieties of apples and crab apples



When gold, these are super sweet, like honey, amazing

[KD]

My teeth have fallen out and I'm wasting away, I need 4 litres of cane juice every 24 hours to heal me

nurse we are down to 24 hour intervals. This man is massively carb deficient and he is refusing his pureed baby food.

dates, STAT!

[Sully]

dates, STAT!

were out of dates! here's 30 mutant bananas!

[KD]

were out of dates! here's 30 mutant bananas!

I thought we just ordered 50 lbs from The Date People?
oh man, I forgot i went for a jog yesterday morning, needed some serious carbage
just got up from a 30 hour nap

[miles]

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Triforce fail.

[KD]

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Triforce fail.

Interesting, I can almost see that 5% muscle-fat panacea you recommend really working over your remaining brain cell on this one. I understand you probably don't know much about fruitarians, but I'd rather not ruin my joke by explaining it. Perhaps it isn't so necessary to always let people know you are confused.

[miles]

It is not a panacea. It's just that people need to know that they can start at 5%. It's just so that people know they don't need so much. It doesn't mean someone should eat 5%, or that they shouldn't, it's just that they can... I don't care what people choose to eat, but if someone chooses to eat 50% fat by mass because they think they need to, I am saying that they don't. If you eat like that by choice, because it makes them feel better, or they enjoy the taste of so much fat then great.. I don't care. It's just that people are thinking that this is a minimum.. They are feeling lethargic at this proportion, and thinking the only way is up(with the fat proportion), and of course this does not work, as the high level of that is the problem in the first place.

I know enough about fruitarians. What is there to know?

I am not confused with your joke, I tried to do the 'triforce', but the symbols are not recognised in the forum, hence 'triforce fail'.

Anything else?

[KD]

It is not a panacea. It's just that people need to know that they can start at 5%. It's just so that people know they don't need so much. It doesn't mean someone should eat 5%, or that they shouldn't, it's just that they can... ....and of course this does not work, as the high level of that is the problem in the first place.

I and others disagree. What exactly is your evidence or criteria that people 'can' eat this way or that not eating carbs makes one need less fats? You are judging others, you are scoffing at higher fats while recommending a carnivorous diet 60-70% protein by calorie or higher? hmm ok. The few people you referred to have a variety of complex issues that have little to do with their fat consumption. They might be incorrectly choosing some particular diet ineffectively in an effort to solve these things, and getting no where, and possibly could relax a bit. however, diets restricted to lean domesticated animals is not a short term or certainly not a long term solution which is precisely the reason for these 'minimums'. This actually is a fact, even if ruminant meat has just enough fat to ward off 'rabbit starvation' or whatever, but that is probably for the other thread'.

What is relevant here, to the videos (on both sides) and discussions, is that optimum human functioning (particularly the brain) is through animal sourced fats, not animal proteins or vegetable carbohydrates. This is where the nutrition is (and in other organs etc...), this is where the fuel is, this is where the research leads. Eating too far on either spectrum makes it less easy to use that energy, and far easier to run into all kinds of metabolic stress.

I am not confused with your joke, I tried to do the 'triforce', but the symbols are not recognised in the forum, hence 'triforce fail'.

my misunderstanding then, i'll wise up next time you are constructing triforces mid-discussions. My understanding of 'fail' is/was some kind of generation-retard method of 'diss'.