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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2010, 12:11:48 am »
I also find that mosquitoes don't bother me much. Probably because a good diet causes the immune system to function properly.

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In Canada, the hysteria is not about malaria, but west nile virus. I don't worry about it at all.

I agree with this, but I would still bring modern mosquito nets in a tropical setting.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2010, 01:04:40 am »
I think I am heading to the wild eventually. It's inevitable.

I want to go right now. Anyone interested in the same?
Killing that goose so easyy really opened my eyes a bit on how I could live off the land so easy.

That's great!There's a lot to learn in the wild in terms of good health.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2010, 02:17:25 am »
You guys are dreaming. There’s isn’t much hospitable wilderness left intact anywhere and even supposing you find some without numerous settlers, we were born and have grown up in civilization, so it would be extremely difficult to adapt and live more than a few weeks in total wilderness. It may be possible for a while in a favorable season, but there’s also a rain season in the tropics and it’s not funny.

By the way, falciparum malaria is deadly without medication, 100% raw diet or not. Water fasting is ineffective as well against it. 
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2010, 02:28:54 am »
Precisely. Much of what we call wild is anything but. A good example are the Highlands of Scotland which look deceptively wild but are merely the result of foolish humans having wiped out the vast primeval forests that existed there before men came along.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2010, 02:55:50 am »
Camerman is a pretty cool job. You will probably start with some country TV station and work your way up to maybe even filming documentries and stuff, people I went to school with have done this.

Getting a job really is the way to go, when you get older you'll understand this more.




Yeah, cameraman would be a nice job. I understand the importance of a job in today's world, I'll need a degree to fall back on.
Any who, we should all at least go on a hunting trip or go camping etc. With modern supplies, just to meet and hang out. Or do meet ups  like GS and Yon did.

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2010, 02:58:59 am »
Besides you can hunt and kill wild animals without any risk of beinig held accountable; in Poland, there are huge fines for killking wild animals without a permission. 

You can get a hunting license and a fishing license. You can probably survive with just the fishing license, and not all animals in Canada require a hunting license to be hunted, check the region/country and its rules. For example in Quebec you don't need any license to hunt hares, eastern cottontails, leopard frogs, green frogs and bullfrogs...only for migratory birds and larger game you do.

You guys are dreaming. There’s isn’t much hospitable wilderness left intact anywhere and even supposing you find some without numerous settlers, we were born and have grown up in civilization, so it would be extremely difficult to adapt and live more than a few weeks in total wilderness. It may be possible for a while in a favorable season, but there’s also a rain season in the tropics and it’s not funny.

Of course not as a permanent thing, but its very possible, especially if you don't go without equipment, be smart enough to bring a canoe, fishing rod and a bow, and obviously just in the summer-time...I wouldn't do it in the tropics either, too many weird & poisonous things, I'd have to be very familiar with the tropics and I'm not, I have a feeling I'd get bit by something deadly or touch some poison plant. lol

I already almost did it last summer except the fact I didn't fish, if I fished I wouldn't have had to go to the little town and buy food  :P

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2010, 07:45:58 am »
I would do that. What did you do when wwoofing? Where at?

i wwoofed in france (near pierefort, auvergne) a couple summers ago for two weeks mainly just gardening and pulling weeds. i also wwoofed two summers ago in oregon at a grassfed beef and lamb farm. mostly herding the animals to new pastures, mending fences, etc. did that for a month and got all the grassfed meat i wanted. i also sold their stuff at the farmer's markets. i wrote about that experience in the 'pacific northwest here i come' journal (pics too). and then recently i've been going out to this wwoof farm near my home whenever i have access to a car. so far it's only been two days but they raise ducks and lots of fruits and veggies. i was mostly bailing and stacking hay though when there.

it's a lot of fun and not too much work. plus you get food and a place to stay. would be really fun with another rpder. we should try and do that. when are you off school sully?

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #57 on: October 29, 2010, 10:14:11 am »
i wwoofed in france (near pierefort, auvergne) a couple summers ago for two weeks mainly just gardening and pulling weeds. i also wwoofed two summers ago in oregon at a grassfed beef and lamb farm. mostly herding the animals to new pastures, mending fences, etc. did that for a month and got all the grassfed meat i wanted. i also sold their stuff at the farmer's markets. i wrote about that experience in the 'pacific northwest here i come' journal (pics too). and then recently i've been going out to this wwoof farm near my home whenever i have access to a car. so far it's only been two days but they raise ducks and lots of fruits and veggies. i was mostly bailing and stacking hay though when there.

it's a lot of fun and not too much work. plus you get food and a place to stay. would be really fun with another rpder. we should try and do that. when are you off school sully?
That sounds great, especially the one on the grass fed farm. My first semester will be over I think by the end of November. Or until I finish my online pie for math 95, (I am takeing basic math now just to get it over with).
Is there any possibilty getting a job through the farm, or maybe an apprenticeship?
this is going to be awsome.

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #58 on: October 29, 2010, 11:00:18 am »
That sounds great, especially the one on the grass fed farm. My first semester will be over I think by the end of November. Or until I finish my online pie for math 95, (I am takeing basic math now just to get it over with).
Is there any possibilty getting a job through the farm, or maybe an apprenticeship?
this is going to be awsome.

Do you have skype

cool! im still in contact with the grassfed farm in oregon. they are really cool people and i bet i could persuade them to let two hard working young men work on their farm. they actually called me a few weeks ago to try and persuade me to come up again (even said they'd pay for the plane ticket!), but i've been trying to make other contacts at home so haven't taken them up on the offer. i could definitely talk to them though if you seriously considering it. i was thinking of going up there mid november anyway. i could just wait for you to go or meet you on the farm. here's their website fyi: http://www.meadowharvest.com/

i do have skype. we should chat! i can talk tonight probably. mine is knightericm i think. ha, not sure. i think i actually tried to add you as a friend a while back after one of the threads about people wanting to talk on skype. haven't checked it in a while though. wanna plan on getting on around 10:30? i think we're in the same time zone

haha, this should probably be a pm. fuck it, let the people know that plans are in the works! for real. this will be easy

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #59 on: October 29, 2010, 01:04:09 pm »
haha, this should probably be a pm. fuck it, let the people know that plans are in the works! for real. this will be easy
This is more exciting than hunting geese like a chimpanzee, Haha. Hopefully we will get this thing rolling.

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #61 on: October 30, 2010, 01:19:37 pm »
it sounds like a great idea but without women it'll suck big time.

in my paleo village, no man can live with a woman without getting married. i'm talking from a fact where outside of the village, people might think that bunch of hippies are living. peace is countable... :)
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #62 on: October 30, 2010, 01:59:31 pm »
in my paleo village, no man can live with a woman without getting married.

Marriage is a Neolithic thing. 
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #63 on: October 30, 2010, 03:12:03 pm »
Marriage is a Neolithic thing. 
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Re: Living in the wild
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #65 on: October 30, 2010, 11:23:42 pm »
Marriage is a Neolithic thing. 
there's no prove that marriage is a neolithic thing. well, i can count to have a paleolithic life where i live in nature, eat raw wild animals and embrace the simplicity of life. babies will be born and they will live  very close to their parents, uncle and aunts. that's good enough!!
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #66 on: October 30, 2010, 11:28:12 pm »
oh noes, they have open air toilet (min 5).
there's nothing wrong with open toilet. that's one of the best options to live a paleolithic life. of course, the winter time is considerable. but the bottom line is, bathroom's supposed to be little far from the sleeping area. i use open toilet many times in my life in back home (south east asia) and love that.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #67 on: October 30, 2010, 11:31:35 pm »
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Marriage is a Neolithic thing.

the marriage ceremony is most likely neolithic, but marriage as way of life is probably not neolithic.  there are many examples in the animal world of strictly monogamous relationships and human case could be just like that. in any case there is no evidence for and against, so please indicate this is your personal opinion and not some kind of universal fact.

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« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2010, 11:39:14 pm »
the marriage ceremony is most likely neolithic, but marriage as way of life is probably not neolithic.  there are many examples in the animal world of strictly monogamous relationships and human case could be just like that. in any case there is no evidence for and against, so please indicate this is your personal opinion and not some kind of universal fact.
i agree. personally, i want security of my own life and my child's life. so, if i build a raw paleo community, i do want some family structure in  that community where there will be married couple and they take care of their children sincerely. if i don't do that, than what's the difference between me and hippies?
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2010, 10:45:56 am »
the plan for living in wild is real. i don't understand why it is impossible to live in jungle. here, u all can see in 60 acres  hawaii jungle how they are living. i'm planning to do this on 75+ acres... ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRurlbRCBe8



Wow, they are pretty complex with it. I like to squat when I poop. I lift up the lid, stand on the rim. Squat and poop.

Edit: That lady in the green dress must be lactating.... :0
Not looking at it sexually. But her breasts were huge.

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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2010, 12:29:57 pm »
Wow, they are pretty complex with it. I like to squat when I poop. I lift up the lid, stand on the rim. Squat and poop
very good sully. u're the man! :D in asia, squat toilet is very popular. so, this is nothing new to me. definitely a better choice for a paleo lifestyle.

That woman doesn't have any babies. i kinda know her, 'cause i was almost joining with them (my raw vegan days). most of them are into weight loss program. they also have classes where they teach how to prepare raw food and permaculture and other stuff. they have some young families their too. my son was very small baby and our plan was to raise him diaper free.

in paleo village, there'll be a martial arts class  and hunting and sports club. we'll focus on to raise bison and other wild native animals.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2010, 07:10:11 am »
the marriage ceremony is most likely neolithic, but marriage as way of life is probably not neolithic.  there are many examples in the animal world of strictly monogamous relationships and human case could be just like that. in any case there is no evidence for and against, so please indicate this is your personal opinion and not some kind of universal fact.

It’s not my personal opinion, there’s a lot of anthropological evidence showing that social organization changed drastically with the Neolithic from nomadic hunter-gatherers tribes to sedentary families of farmers. True, some animal such as birds have strictly monogamous relationships, but it’s not the case for primates.

Hunter-gatherers have no senses of private property, they share everything. It was still the case for Polynesians and Inuits a few decades ago. Marriage is a contract of exclusivity (possession of the spouse) specifically introduced by sedentary Neolithic farmers and so called “civilization”.  

i agree. personally, i want security of my own life and my child's life. so, if i build a raw paleo community, i do want some family structure in  that community where there will be married couple and they take care of their children sincerely. if i don't do that, than what's the difference between me and hippies?

There’s no safety in an exclusive family structure: if one of the parents goes away, is injured or killed, what happens in the absence of any kind of organized (civilized) social security? On the contrary, there’s much more security in a tribal structure where the children are welcome everywhere,  with every body, no matter who are the father and mother. As a matter of fact, the biological father is usually unknown.

Marriage and exclusive couples are a disaster. It has led to sexual dissatisfaction, divorces, adultery, jealousy tragedies, prostitution, pornography, and most important : failure of love.  >D

A main difference between hippies and us is that hippies fed on cooked food, grain and dairy. Those food contain opioïds and other noxious molecules causing sexual over-excitation. With strict raw paleo diet, the sexual obsession due to inappropriate food disappear. Therefore, in the wild with raw paleo food, in principle there would not be genital relations without love.   ;)

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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2010, 07:10:26 am »
It’s not my personal opinion, there’s a lot of anthropological evidence showing that social organization changed drastically with the Neolithic from nomadic hunter-gatherers tribes to sedentary families of farmers. True, some animal such as birds have strictly monogamous relationships, but it’s not the case for primates.

Hunter-gatherers have no senses of private property, they share everything. It was still the case for Polynesians and Inuits a few decades ago. Marriage is a contract of exclusivity (possession of the spouse) specifically introduced by sedentary Neolithic farmers and so called “civilization”.  

There’s no safety in an exclusive family structure: if one of the parents goes away, is injured or killed, what happens in the absence of any kind of organized (civilized) social security? On the contrary, there’s much more security in a tribal structure where the children are welcome everywhere,  with every body, no matter who are the father and mother. As a matter of fact, the biological father is usually unknown.

Marriage and exclusive couples are a disaster. It has led to sexual dissatisfaction, divorces, adultery, jealousy tragedies, prostitution, pornography, and most important : failure of love.  >D

A main difference between hippies and us is that hippies fed on cooked food, grain and dairy. Those food contain opioïds and other noxious molecules causing sexual over-excitation. With strict raw paleo diet, the sexual obsession due to inappropriate food disappear. Therefore, in the wild with raw paleo food, in principle there would not be genital relations without love.   ;)

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if there is not going to be any genital relation without love then there is no reason why marriage should not be a requirement.  This is not something that we should take lightly in any society.  Probably as we become more mature, in the society we may decide that it is not that much important but for now we want to start on the right foot with as much care as possible.  There are many thing right now that is associated with sex and that can degrade any society. it is best to avoid these things for now.  We are just babies now learning how to walk and as we take one step at a time, we learn from the miss steps that we make. we don't forget. we learn. The same there are many things that we have learned from this world that is very beneficial, like the danger in promiscuity.  It is best to avoid all danger for now until we can run.
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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #73 on: November 05, 2010, 07:26:38 am »
Therefore, in the wild with raw paleo food, in principle there would not be genital relations without love.   ;)

That is beautiful... :)

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Re: Living in the wild
« Reply #74 on: November 05, 2010, 07:30:48 am »
That is beautiful... :)
it's easy to say, but never forget about the other human emotions.
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