General Height of Members of Tribe and Tribe's Milk Consumption

[RawZi]

    I just came across this article:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajhb.20411/abstract

    Do milk drinkers grow taller?  Inuit are not very tall, and they do not drink milk of other animals.  Pygmies, I've never heard of them drinking milk.  Maassai drink milk.  A number of very tall people I know drink lots of milk.  A number of people I know who were always sensitive to milk are short.  Seems like people who drank moderate amounts are average height.

    Any reason you think milk affects anyone's height?  Does it render the molybdenum null so the bones can keep growing?  Anyone know scientific or nutritional reasons either way?

    I don't know if it's good to be tall, or short or medium height, as long as you're healthy.

[TylerDurden]

Well, some people think that raw dairy fouls up one's growth hormones, either increasing or decreasing them in childhood, thus leading to changes in height.

The wording of the question in the poll seems odd re language;perhaps reword it?

My 2 elder half-brothers were 5ft 10 and 6 ft 1, coming from a 6ft 3 father and 5ft 7 mother. My brother is 6ft 3 and I am 6ft, coming from a 6ft 3 father and 5ft 10 mother. I therefore have a suspicion(since grandparents and other relatives  were all as tall or taller) that if I had never consumed raw dairy at all in my early life, that I would have actually been a few inches taller than I ended up being.

[Nation]

Well, some people think that raw dairy fouls up one's growth hormones, either increasing or decreasing them in childhood, thus leading to changes in height.

That could also explain why women nowadays have such big breasts. North Americans eat a lot of dairy and i'm pretty sure women here have the biggest breasts in the world. Well, that's debatable i guess.

[SteakNchop]

I drank a lot of milk when I was younger. I am 14 and 5' 6" which would be medium height. I have extremely large feet, so I expect to be tall. Rest of the people in my family are tall as well. Not sure how much milk they drank, though.

[RawZi]

The wording of the question in the poll seems odd re language;perhaps reword it?

.... I therefore have a suspicion(since grandparents and other relatives  were all as tall or taller) that if I had never consumed raw dairy at all in my early life, that I would have actually been a few inches taller than I ended up being.

    I added the word "you".  Thanks for spotting that.  

    My siblings are bigger than me and taller.  Milk made me vomit when I was little so I stopped drinking it.  They all held it down well.  They ate more cheese than me, by far and ate more yogurt than me.  I couldn't eat pizza and dishes like that; because of the cheese absolutely.  That cheese never bothered them.  We did get cheese very rarely, but they ate milk chocolate bars too.  I only felt ok eating a very small piece of chocolate, I had never felt like eating a whole bar.  They spent part of their allowances on that, I didn't bother buying it for myself or eating any of it.  

    I was shorter than my parents too.  Mom always ate butter and cream.  Dad drank tall glasses of milk once in a while.  I never saw the attraction in that.

    When I started the primal diet in my forties, I grew taller than I ever was.  My diet in the early time of my RAF journey was mostly cultured cream, all raw of course and all grassfed, except one quart I got that was grainfed.

[kurite]

That could also explain why women nowadays have such big breasts. North Americans eat a lot of dairy and i'm pretty sure women here have the biggest breasts in the world. Well, that's debatable i guess.

No its cause silicone

[TheViking]

   When I started the primal diet in my forties, I grew taller than I ever was.  My diet in the early time of my RAF journey was mostly cultured cream, all raw of course and all grassfed, except one quart I got that was grainfed.

Very interesting.

You grew taller in your forties?
How much are we talking here? It wasn't just caused by i.e. better posture?

I'm 26 years and 5' 10" medium height. I'm taller than my mom (will check height and update), same height as my 30 year old sister and lower than my father (5' 11") and 33 year old brother (6' 1"). I am the only one who has cut dairy our of my diet, and I started noticing problems with lactose intolerance as a kid (age 7?) and now have intolerance also to the whey and casein (thank you Mr Antibiotic). I didn't completely cut out dairy till age 19/20 though, because I was told it wasn't causing my issues). Never been a big milk drinker of any sort though, but did eat dairy containing foods and even ignorantly took whey protein shakes for about a year in the military before my whole system revolted.

I'm also turning out shorter than all my cousins, which is making me think I should genetically be taller if it wasn't for malnutrition/antibiotics in my youth..

[actionhero]

I'm 6ft 4 and seem to absolutely thrive on raw milk. It's THE food to add pure muscle size on your frame.

And yes I used to drink at least a liter of full fat (pasteurized) milk as a kid. Never had any problems with it.

[FoxWoman]

That could also explain why women nowadays have such big breasts. North Americans eat a lot of dairy and i'm pretty sure women here have the biggest breasts in the world. Well, that's debatable i guess.

A large percentage of American women are obese (and I don't think that it's because of their "milk consumption"  ), maybe this is why they have huge breasts? I remember travelling to Israel and I was actually shocked seing there a lot of really HUGE women with gigantic breasts and bad acne. What they mainly eat is tons of grains, sugar and vegetable oils.

[goodsamaritan]

A large percentage of American women are obese (and I don't think that it's because of their "milk consumption"  ), maybe this is why they have huge breasts? I remember travelling to Israel and I was actually shocked seing there a lot of really HUGE women with gigantic breasts and bad acne. What they mainly eat is tons of grains, sugar and vegetable oils.

I think it is because Birth Control Pills and other hormonal contraceptives are popular.

[achillezzz]

A large percentage of American women are obese (and I don't think that it's because of their "milk consumption"  ), maybe this is why they have huge breasts? I remember travelling to Israel and I was actually shocked seing there a lot of really HUGE women with gigantic breasts and bad acne. What they mainly eat is tons of grains, sugar and vegetable oils.

Israel? when did you travel there?
Did you find any good meat there please its important I'm in israel and cant find good quality meat only frozen organic ground beef...

[RawZi]

... It wasn't just caused by i.e. better posture?

I'm 26 years and 5' 10" medium height. I'm taller than my mom (will check height and update), same height as my 30 year old sister and lower than my father (5' 11") and 33 year old brother (6' 1"). I am the only one who has cut dairy our of my diet, and I started noticing problems with lactose intolerance as a kid (age 7?) and now have intolerance also to the whey and casein (thank you Mr Antibiotic). I didn't completely cut out dairy till age 19/20 though, ..

    No, I was a dancer and also I was very active most of my life I have always tended to have excellent posture, except for about a year after a I was accidentally poisoned a couple times as a child.

    At age five I quit milk; because it made me vomit.  I completely cut out milk in my early teens.  On the very rare occasion I drank milk, I actually got bone fractures (easily) subsequently, whereas I never had bone breaks otherwise.  My son who I talk about here too very rarely drank milk after age three.  At one time mid childhood he drank (pasteurized) milk for a couple of months and within months got a bone break and some deformation in several other of his bones (he never got that while not eating pasteurized milk).  He drinks high fat raw grassfed milk now pretty well.

    See these people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushmen#Genetic_studies, http://www.theartofafrica.co.za/serv/food.jsp, http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1348746&tn=0 I understand they pretty much eat the way they have always eaten since the beginning of human DNA which includes no animal milk other than their own mothers'.  I find it hard to believe though that they didn't eat all raw in the beginning.  A friend who has close experience with them said they eat raw at the site of the kill, then bring the rest home and it is cooked to preserve it.  He said they're not particularly tall, and generally shorter than African-Americans.

[FoxWoman]

Israel? when did you travel there?
Did you find any good meat there please its important I'm in israel and cant find good quality meat only frozen organic ground beef...

I travelled there quite a long time ago, more than 10 years ago. At that time of my life, I was not really interested in healthy nutrition and was buying ordinary foods from supermarkets.