Any highly acclaimed people or nutrionists who suggest zero carb?

[SteakNchop]

So look- my parents don't think ZC is healthy for someone who is still growing. Say if I can find someone who is high acclaimed or is a nutrionist (that would be impossible, as they wouldn't have passed any nutrionists tests) that suggests a ZC diet for kids? Or do any of you meat only men and women have children that eat this way too?

[RawZi]

    I've heard of families with very young and growing children that do, but I've never met the people.

    Medical doctors do prescribe ketogenic diets to children, when the children have epilepsy to control their epileptic seizures.

[SteakNchop]

   I've heard of families with very young and growing children that do, but I've never met the people.

    Medical doctors do prescribe ketogenic diets to children, when the children have epilepsy to control their epileptic seizures.

Hmmm. I kind of need some type of proof that it is healthy.

[Hannibal]

I kind of need some type of proof that it is healthy.

You won't find any solid proof, 'cause it's unhealthy.

Medical doctors do prescribe ketogenic diets to children, when the children have epilepsy to control their epileptic seizures.

That's true.
But it's a ketogenic diet, not ZC.
Secondly - it's applied for some period time, not forever.
Thirdly - supplements are taken so that the negative effects could be prevented, to some extent of course.

[SteakNchop]

Okay, you can have your opinions. I am just really frustrated with this- my parents want to literally forcefeed buckets of sugar down my throat they think it's so unhealthy for children.

[Iguana]

You won't find any solid proof, 'cause it's unhealthy. That's true.

Unhealthy and also totally irrational. Only modern analytic science could establish distinctions between proteins, fats and carbohydrates. Animals and early humans have and had no way to know that.

François

[SteakNchop]

Fine, fine fine. I get it. But can anybody help me out?

[yuli]

Fine, fine fine. I get it. But can anybody help me out?

lol, ask the member "raw" .... she has a kid she raising mostly on raw meat and fat, I think he has fruit but only rarely and is very healthy.

[SteakNchop]

lol, ask the member "raw" .... she has a kid she raising mostly on raw meat and fat, I think he has fruit but only rarely and is very healthy.

Okay, I will check into it. Thanks.

[Iguana]

Fine, fine fine. I get it. But can anybody help me out?

Sure, that's what we're here for!

It's fine to eat raw meat, fish, shellfish and eggs as long as the animals were either wild or not fed with grain, heated industrial fodder, cooking leftovers. But excluding all other raw food such as nuts, vegetables and fruits has no logical basis. There's a lot of scientific literature about that you can show to your parents: you can find it on this site and elsewhere, for example here:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/important-info-for-newbies/
http://disweb.dis.unimelb.edu.au/staff/gwadley/msc/WadleyMartinAgriculture.html
http://www.nutramed.com/eatingdisorders/addictivefoods.htm
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/5/10
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635051/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19209185?ordinalpos=1&itool=PPMCLayout.PPMCAppController.PPMCArticlePage.PPMCPubmedRA&linkpos=2
http://www.primitivism.com/sedentism.htm
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2100251/Jared-Diamond-The-Worst-Mistake-in-the-History-of-the-Human-Race
GCB's book: http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggindex.html

Cheers
François

[RawZi]

Only modern analytic science could establish distinctions between proteins, fats and carbohydrates.

    Yes, that's how I started my diet changes pretty much from the beginning, by eating whole foods.  I figured they'd have what they need in them.  Fractionated diets are games.  Sometimes games can help when we're in a bad situation though.

    Who knows, if I had discovered RawZC existed instead of the path I started on, I might be healthier or not now.  I say discovered it back then, as what I did instead was turn vegan.  That philosophy still sticks in me a little.  I guess it's good that it does.  All of our experiences bring us to where we are.

[SteakNchop]

Sure, that's what we're here for!

It's fine to eat raw meat, fish, shellfish and eggs as long as the animals were either wild or not fed with grain, heated industrial fodder, cooking leftovers. But excluding all other raw food such as nuts, vegetables and fruits has no logical basis. There's a lot of scientific literature about that you can show to your parents: you can find it on this site and elsewhere, for example here:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/important-info-for-newbies/
http://disweb.dis.unimelb.edu.au/staff/gwadley/msc/WadleyMartinAgriculture.html
http://www.nutramed.com/eatingdisorders/addictivefoods.htm
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6823/5/10
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1635051/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19209185?ordinalpos=1&itool=PPMCLayout.PPMCAppController.PPMCArticlePage.PPMCPubmedRA&linkpos=2
http://www.primitivism.com/sedentism.htm
GCB's book: http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggindex.html

Cheers
François

That's great, though I didn't notice anything specific about children- that's what I'm looking for.

[miles]

Unhealthy and also totally irrational. Only modern analytic science could establish distinctions between proteins, fats and carbohydrates. Animals and early humans have and had no way to know that.

This goes both ways. It also means that if someone feels happier eating only animals that's ok, since animals and early humans wouldn't know they were eating few carbohydrates...

The distinction would be: Whether you're eating only animals because it makes you feel good, or you're eating only animals because they have the fewest carbohydrates.

That's great, though I didn't notice anything specific about children- that's what I'm looking for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo

[Iguana]

Sure, Miles. I agree. It must not spring from an ideology and it may be temporary. It's very unlikely that any hominid ever ate only animal food for the whole live.  

That's great, though I didn't notice anything specific about children- that's what I'm looking for.

Children have always been growing on raw food like their parents for millions of years before we mastered the fire, which is quite recently in our evolutionary history. Consumption of dairy and cereals is even much more recent.

[RawZi]

The distinction would be: Whether you're eating only animals because it makes you feel good, or you're eating only animals because they have the fewest carbohydrates.

    A person can be tied in a situation where people mess with your head making you agree that you couldn't know what feels good.  In that case, if an all animal diet makes you feel good, you can show them François' articles.  It could be harder to argue with.  Being a fourteen year old young man in this day and age can be hard.

[laterade]

I have not heard of anyone famous doing the diet other than Mel Gibson
You will probably not get them to CHANGE their minds very much
Remind them about how many people eat sushi, steak tartare, kifko etc, this link may help a lot
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/infonews-items/list-of-traditional-raw-meat-dishes-%28w-pics%29/

Remind them that raw meat was eaten first, and that they have no proof that humans only lived to 25 solely because of diet.
Cooking is the experiment, and to my experience it is a dangerous one.
Good luck! I am twenty and have been eating like this for 6 months, my parents just recently quit bucking me for eating this way.
I think they stopped because my health is noticeably improving.

[achillezzz]

I have not heard of anyone famous doing the diet other than Mel Gibson

Mel Gibson does raw paleo?

[michaelwh]

Stefansson could be considered a highly-acclaimed person who suggested zero-carb for everybody. He did a clinical trial where he and a colleague ate nothing but meat for a year. He also wrote a book about diet called "Fat of the Land".

There are plenty of nutritionists/doctors who suggest low-carb, such as Dr. Eades and Dr. Mercola, but I don't know if they would support zero-carb for children.

If your parents don't let you do zero-carb, or raw paleo, then at least try to get them to agree to a no-grain, no-junk-food diet as a compromise. That shouldn't be too hard.

[Hannibal]

Stefansson could be considered a highly-acclaimed person who suggested zero-carb for everybody.

Not exactly.
He suggested in "Adventures in Diet" that eating only meat and fat isn't the best option

While meat eaters seem to average well in heath, we must in our conclusion draw a caution from the most complete modern example of them the Eskimos of Coronation Gulf, when he was anthropologist on my third expedition, that the two chief causes of death were accidents and old age. This puts in a different form my saying that these survivors of the stone age were the healthiest people I have ever lived among. I would say the community, from infancy to old age, may have had on the average the health of an equal number of men about twenty, say college students.

The danger is that you may reason from this good health to a great longevity. But meat eaters do not appear to live long. So far as we can tell, the Eskimos, before the white men upset their physiological as well as their economic balance, lived on the average at least ten years less than we. Now their lives average still shorter; but that is partly from communicated diseases.

It has been said in a previous article that I found the exclusive meat diet in New York to be stimulating - I felt energetic and optimistic both winter and summer. Perhaps it may be considered that meat is, overall, a stimulating diet, in the sense that metabolic processes are speeded up. You are then living at a faster rate, which means you would grow up rapidly and get old soon. This is perhaps confirmed by that early maturing of Eskimo women which I have heretofore supposed to be mainly due to their almost complete protection from chill - they live in warm dwellings and dress warmly so that the body is seldom under stress to maintain by physiological processes a temperature balance. It may be that meat as a speeder-up of metabolism explains in part both that Eskimo women are sometimes grandmothers before the age of twenty-three, and that they usually seem as old at sixty as our women do at eighty.

[TylerDurden]

The Stefansson mention re speeded up old age sounds totally unscientific to me  - I mean, grandmothers at 23 ? Dubious figure, at best.

[laterade]

Mel Gibson does raw paleo?

I read about that on some "CelebOMG!!!" web site a few months ago. They were just talking about how weird they think it is nothing really specific. It should come up in google.

[RawZi]

    Tiger diet.  Avocados, raw steaks, olive oil, and then alcohol binges.  I read about his diet years ago in the celebity magazines.  They hadn't mentioned the alcohol yet.

[SteakNchop]

It is more about if people suggest it for growing people.

[yuli]

I don't think anyone can recommend ZC for kids man...
Your best plan is to tell your parents about LC instead, you can find studies how too many carbs are bad for kids in many ways, but none that recommend ZC to kids (unless there is some special case like temporary treatment of an illness).

[TylerDurden]

Mel Gibson does raw paleo?

Mel Gibson does the "Tiger Diet" mainly consisting of raw meats and raw olive-oil. Other celebrities doing raw meat diets are Val Kilmer, Uma Thurman and Carol Alt. Also the UK's Leslie Kenton(raw dairy, raw eggs and raw plant foods in her case).