The whole point was to discuss why people on this forum do what they do and its similarities to DV philosophies, not other cooked foodists or other raw foodists that you are bringing in constantly to talk about again one persons philosophy that you arn't even looking at or has any correlations to such. I gave honest stats prior to 2005 of the raw vegan community that anyone can verify because you constantly downplay that most people that eat the majority of their foods as plants will cite specifically the problems associated with fruits as opposed to raw sprouts or even cooked starches. Its only recently in the last few years that there has been a resurgence against that often making the same claims that people are trying to sell products. but the concept is serious and has nothing to do with malnutrition of vegan diets generally but the fruit sugars interaction with internal problems and this is where the documentation is. Many leaders are forced to recommend steamed foods over raw foods despite them being raw leaders and thus seems ridiculous to many people because it sort of is. Anyone can verify this. The fact that peopel in 'RVAF' communities might eat some liberal amount of fruits by comparison to members here is not to say that they do not limit fruits to less than a significant portion of their calories.
Yet you have made absurd generalised remarks about rawists in general not surviving in the wild not just forum-members etc., and foolish remarks re raw fruits being dangerous despite the fact that most RVAFers are actually fine on raw fruits, aside from the RZC minority. The simple fact is that some people do indeed thrive on fruitarianism minus any cooked foods, it is simply that, in the long-term(months/years, depending on the individual), most fruitarians will suffer from nutritional deficiencies due to raw plant foods not providing absolutely all the nutrients a body needs - the body can make substitutes for some missing nutrients at extra effort on its part, but eventually, nutritional deficiencies will occur. I'm a classic case - I did c.2-3 years of raw veganism, most of which was 100 percent fruitarian, and, while I did not solve my worst health-problems via that diet, my health did not deteriorate as fast as it did on a diet rich in cooked animal foods - I, in the end, gave up on fruitarianism only because it wasn't getting rid of serious issues such as anxiety/teeth-issues/CFS etc. and because I developed massive hunger-pangs as a result, despite some benefits such as slimness etc. By comparison, cooked animal foods gave me chronic constipation, rectal bleeding, obesity, and such painful stomach-aches that it felt almost like I was being disembowelled, etc.
Well, this explains your past bias against Instincto - you really don't like the notion of Instinctos ( some of whom are on c.10 percent raw animal food/c.90 percent raw plant foods) being healthy, as that refutes your notions re raw fruit).
On a side-note:- I was interested, at one point, to read a comment by a RVAFer on another forum, years ago, who stated that the Instinctos he saw at one RVAF diet party were far healthier-looking than the raw-meat-heavy Primal Dieters he saw there at the same gathering.
As for the other claims, actually it is far more common for RV gurus to recommend eating a little cooked animal food or, rarely, raw animal food like raw dairy - which makes more sense, of course, as regards combatting nutritional deficiencies. The notions re cutting down on raw fruits, such as choosing low-sugar ones are just standard excuses given to RVers who eventually find that they are getting nutritional deficiencies over time. Incidentally, note that some RVers/Fruitarians live very healthily even after a decade or so, thus casting doubt on this silly notion that fruit-sugars are deadly.
To me if someone runs the math on this forum there are roughly 2-5 actually year round zero carbers with some of which eating some plant food. 2-5 instinctos with 2-3 of which actually claiming to limit fruits. Then there are a few full on omnivores that perhaps don't consciously limit anything. Virtually every other person will limit fruit in the sense where they bring some consciousness in terms of eating it or essentially eat next to no fruits. You mentioned that DV and Wangram are pulling form unknowns of HGs and you presented us with some unknown set of people that totally skirted the question anyway, which had to do specifically with people here and whether you actually thought that HGs had inferior health to people doing a contemporary raw paleo diet. It has nothing to do with cooking, but your comment that was rather outrageous if people are calling certain dedications to abstractions as health without any of the abilities or health of HGs to actually survive in nature. In skirting such, either you think that the vast majority of people are pursuing a unhealthful diet fueled by ignorance, or you are just bringing up other people for absolutely no reason. There is absolutely no way that I buy that there is any significant RVAF communities that are eating the bulk of their foods as fruits and dairy that are not eating some kind of Primal Diet or largely Weston Price diet influenced diet or a significant portion of calories from avocados, nuts and seeds, sprouts and/or cooked foods.
Well, the above is, of course, utter nonsense. For one thing, interest in raw-animal-food-heavy raw diets only really grew in the 1990s with Aajonus's book on the Primal Diet(c.1997 published I think?). Before that, communities like Pangaia(which switched to the primal diet later on and then raw veganism) mostly just flirted with Instincto, with an emphasis on raw plant foods, mainly.Weston-Price diets are not really raw, but cooked diets so cannot be included as a raw diet - after all, the only raw components of a Weston-Price diet are usually raw dairy and occasional RAF foods like raw liver - otherwise, Sally Fallon et al all insist on mainly cooking their foods, albeit lightly - indeed, Sally Fallon wrote an essay attacking Aajonus over the issue of raw versus cooked.
