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Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« on: May 22, 2011, 01:21:25 am »
hello, I thought with the new post of grandma's being stronger, I would also add a post questioning a huge concern of mine. It is no doubt that with the increase of exogenous estrogens in our environment, accompanied with other hormonal disruptors, men have become worse in both libido and sexual function than ever before. However, now that I have been in a relationship with a girl that I love for almost 8 months, I am realizing that she too seems to have a very low sex drive. I love this girl very much and we both established that while sex is a very important aspect of our relationship, it is not the foundation. Anyway, I try so hard with my girl to "get her" to want to have sex with me and she has a hard time "getting wet" for sex that it is very frustrating for both of us.

Now either she is lying, or something is really wrong with her, but when I probe her questions such as "can I do anything to help you improve this," or "is it something with me that is the problem," she tells me that everything is great with me and that she thinks I am very sexy. She is always complimenting me on my physique and how good I look with very little, if any, clothing. Problem is, she never asks for any sex (or sexual acts), never offers any, and seems to try to change the subject when I ask her. I have been getting very frustrated lately as I feel a healthy relationship should be when both partners want sex, not just one. Problem is, every time I ask her she tells me that she really wants to have sex. I am at a loss for words.

Oh yeah and I failed to mention that she is a virgin with a mother that is a strict catholic, which has its pitfalls. My girlfriend and I have talked about having sex many times and she says that she really wants to do it with me. She says she doesnt buy into all that no sex before marriage balogna that homosexual priests preach.

However, when we "attempt to" she seems to get all scared, and she is not physically or psychologically ready for it. Many times, this drove me to feel very uncomfortable, and even guilty to the point where I even lost an erection over it. We are both 20 years old and should not have any problems.

Now, if this is a low sex drive issue, I dont want to give up on her because I myself have had low testosterone and low sex drive in the past but in the past year took my T and sex drive waaaayyy up and regularly feel urges and want sex all the time. Since I have reawakened I want to put myself to good use.

Anyways, enough talk about my issues. I dont expect anyone behind a computer screen to really help me anyway. My real question goes out to both guys and gals on the forum; Do women have lower sex drives than they used to? What is the cause of low female libido in her young years.

It is obvious what the cause is after menopause= low testosterone/ healthy estrogen ratio /progesterone/dopamine

To me it just seems wrong for any woman to experience low sex drive in her young years where she should be reproducing. Thoughts???
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2011, 01:31:20 am »
Do you ever get into hot kissing, necking and petting?
Hot enough to fog up a car?
Just short of intercourse?
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2011, 01:40:27 am »
Yeah, foreplay is hugely important.

I also recommend the book "hot sex" to really lay things out and look at it from several different vantage points.

Also having been raised in a fundamental baptist household where sex has a very rigidly defined purpose and outside of marriage is sinful, I can tell you that it really weighs on your psyche. I'm guessing you're well aware of that since I recall you saying that you are or were christian. And my current girlfriend who is quite the nymph still struggles with guilt to this day. I certainly did until I started eradicating my limiting beliefs, but I had to wipe Judeo Christianity from my mind as a possibility before I could fully immerse myself in the sexual experience.

The mind/psyche is a huge part of sexual relations, and controls a lot of the body's biochemical processes. So if she's not getting wet, I would start with the mind. Really have her flesh out her feelings about sex. Have her write them down and try to determine if there are any unhealthy beliefs contained within. We are sexual creatures, all creatures are (with some exception of course! black tip sharks, et al), sex is a gift and a good and wonderful thing. It is pleasurable, life affirming, and from our point of view, really doesn't involve disease as long as all parties are living heathfully (proper foods, healthy minds). To see it as something 'other', or sinful, or private is, if you look closely at history, simply a product of human reason/belief systems getting in the way and seeking to control people.

I cannot recommend that book enough. Ejaculation/orgasm should not be the end goal. The whole entire experience from the anticipation all the way through should be viewed equally importantly. You should be able to spend hours on occasions in touching and kissing and massages, oral and manual stimulation, with toys and role play, etc. It should be an adventure each time, and it only ever grows old if you approach it the same way on every occasion.

Being relaxed is a huge part of it too, stress can absolutely murder the experience. Massages, aromatherapy, mood lighting, and perhaps a little meditation (breathing out the worries and daily responsibilities) can be all it takes to make the experience a good one.

Can we assume you're both sexually attracted to eachother? I've dated girls who I could have fun with and be best friends with but was not attracted to, and that does not exactly facilitate arousal!

Also don't focus on this problem in the sense that you're stressing out about it, you will give it power. Instead, seek to remedy it, but in the mean time, just use a natural lubricant and keep her well lubed up, lubrication will make or break the experience, the difference between smooth gliding and sandpaper (which may be uncomfortable for us fellas, but is pure hell for the ladies).

Try bringing her to orgasm several times manually or orally before actual intercourse. Or try bringing her to orgasm first, then a short period of penetration then back to manual/and or oral. She can use a vibrator on her clitoris during penetration as well, this will help immensely with the added bonus that she'll probably experience multiple orgasms and perhaps female ejaculation. However try not to become dependent on this, it should be used for augmentation, not the center of the experience.

Women are incredibly sexual creatures, I'd say more than even us fellas, which maybe runs contrary to popular opinion, maybe not. And though I do believe our modern day habits of harried schedules, ubiquitous vectors of toxicity and religious dogma/societal mores have a huge impact on both sex's libito, I would not say women specifically are less sexual than their forebears.

Good luck, and that book can be found on audiobook (a pleasure to listen to) via torrent or purchased obviously.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2011, 02:01:08 am »
Do you ever get into hot kissing, necking and petting?
Hot enough to fog up a car?
Just short of intercourse?


Yes, and my woman is very willing to do other things as well, however sex makes her nervous.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2011, 02:14:08 am »
Yeah, foreplay is hugely important.

I also recommend the book "hot sex" to really lay things out and look at it from several different vantage points.

Also having been raised in a fundamental baptist household where sex has a very rigidly defined purpose and outside of marriage is sinful, I can tell you that it really weighs on your psyche. I'm guessing you're well aware of that since I recall you saying that you are or were christian. And my current girlfriend who is quite the nymph still struggles with guilt to this day. I certainly did until I started eradicating my limiting beliefs, but I had to wipe Judeo Christianity from my mind as a possibility before I could fully immerse myself in the sexual experience.

The mind/psyche is a huge part of sexual relations, and controls a lot of the body's biochemical processes. So if she's not getting wet, I would start with the mind. Really have her flesh out her feelings about sex. Have her write them down and try to determine if there are any unhealthy beliefs contained within. We are sexual creatures, all creatures are (with some exception of course! black tip sharks, et al), sex is a gift and a good and wonderful thing. It is pleasurable, life affirming, and from our point of view, really doesn't involve disease as long as all parties are living heathfully (proper foods, healthy minds). To see it as something 'other', or sinful, or private is, if you look closely at history, simply a product of human reason/belief systems getting in the way and seeking to control people.

I cannot recommend that book enough. Ejaculation/orgasm should not be the end goal. The whole entire experience from the anticipation all the way through should be viewed equally importantly. You should be able to spend hours on occasions in touching and kissing and massages, oral and manual stimulation, with toys and role play, etc. It should be an adventure each time, and it only ever grows old if you approach it the same way on every occasion.

Being relaxed is a huge part of it too, stress can absolutely murder the experience. Massages, aromatherapy, mood lighting, and perhaps a little meditation (breathing out the worries and daily responsibilities) can be all it takes to make the experience a good one.

Can we assume you're both sexually attracted to eachother? I've dated girls who I could have fun with and be best friends with but was not attracted to, and that does not exactly facilitate arousal!

Also don't focus on this problem in the sense that you're stressing out about it, you will give it power. Instead, seek to remedy it, but in the mean time, just use a natural lubricant and keep her well lubed up, lubrication will make or break the experience, the difference between smooth gliding and sandpaper (which may be uncomfortable for us fellas, but is pure hell for the ladies).

Try bringing her to orgasm several times manually or orally before actual intercourse. Or try bringing her to orgasm first, then a short period of penetration then back to manual/and or oral. She can use a vibrator on her clitoris during penetration as well, this will help immensely with the added bonus that she'll probably experience multiple orgasms and perhaps female ejaculation. However try not to become dependent on this, it should be used for augmentation, not the center of the experience.

Women are incredibly sexual creatures, I'd say more than even us fellas, which maybe runs contrary to popular opinion, maybe not. And though I do believe our modern day habits of harried schedules, ubiquitous vectors of toxicity and religious dogma/societal mores have a huge impact on both sex's libito, I would not say women specifically are less sexual than their forebears.

Good luck, and that book can be found on audiobook (a pleasure to listen to) via torrent or purchased obviously.

The problem with religion today is it's constant misunderstandings and misunderstood limitations. I feel that it was way easier and much more appropriate back in the day to "wait til marriage" because during Jesus' time etc... people got married in their mid and late teens, just when their sexual urges begin. This is also not to mention that people got married months, sometimes weeks after they start their relationships. I feel that starting a marriage at this time is obviously not a good idea in today's day in age because people are just way more immature than back then. However back in those times it would have been very healthy, and possibly easier to maintain a healthy marriage due to the fact that everything happens when it should. Nowadays we have plenty of christian and other religious couples who are very frustrated because they are ignoring/ dismissing their sexuality and urges. This creates tension and frustration which IMO is not a healthy way to start a relationship/marriage. I feel that it is great showing each other you can wait for a long time for each other if that is what you want to do. If anything, waiting for sex with the one you love is a show of patience, dependability, and faithfulness. However, in all practicality, with most relationships of today lasting at least a couple years before marriage, it just isnt a wise idea.

Am I christian? Yes. Do I feel that a man should be with only one woman? Yes, and they should be faithful to each other. I also feel that if you find the right person you don't need to wait to have sex. I have spoken with many pastures who on the fence about this topic because, its just as bad when two people have a shit marriage and end up getting a divorce because they waited for sex and never found out they weren't compatible sexually. These are my beliefs and opinions, as I respect those of others.

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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2011, 02:16:20 am »
Yes, and my woman is very willing to do other things as well, however sex makes her nervous.

It takes time to warm up virgins.
You'll need foreplay like licking her t*ts and licking her... down... there...

And maybe then she'll be ready.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2011, 02:24:59 am »
It takes time to warm up virgins.
You'll need foreplay like licking her t*ts and licking her... down... there...

And maybe then she'll be ready.

Enjoy yours and her youth!

Oh and she is fairly keen on giving me pleasure but seems to have zero interest in me giving her pleasure, which IMO is not healthy. I usually end up getting mine without being able to give her pleasure when I offer, which she frequently refuses. I would have a much more enjoyable experience if both of us had a great time and I could pleasure her. I guess I just need to be more patient because she is not at that step yet.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2011, 02:25:57 am »
in regards to the question..its possible that some women today have less sex drive but not something i've experienced much. Although I wasn't around years ago it seems like alot of arguments suggest people are overstimulated into having/desiring more sex by both society and 'toxins' or whatever..which I think is generalizing. Certainly since sex is a major source of pleasure itself theres all sorts of potential for it to be over or under-active to fulfill some need or be absent due to physical issues or traumas of other kinds.

If you hadn't said you have had no actual intercourse and that she was a virgin I might be on board..but it sounds very much some kind of psychology around the issue. Never had sex with a virgin myself, but certainly if there is any kind of build up or pressure in a situation it makes things more challenging in the physical in my experience. It might be a matter of some of the..uh..'work' above but I think its going to be more a matter of convincing the mind that either your bond is genuine..or that she should just get over these hangups and try something very normal with someone she trusts. If you continue with this person I can only guess sex will be more enjoyable. If after 10 or so times you still have dry patches (sorry) then maybe troubleshoot her diet etc...

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2011, 04:58:37 pm »
according to av oranges+avocados is an aphrodisiac. If you use deo quit. Your natural pheromones will help but not if they are suppresed/masked by deo. Does she exercise? if not it may be a good way to balance (sex)hormones. 8)
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2011, 08:10:25 pm »
Oh and she is fairly keen on giving me pleasure but seems to have zero interest in me giving her pleasure, which IMO is not healthy. I usually end up getting mine without being able to give her pleasure when I offer, which she frequently refuses. I would have a much more enjoyable experience if both of us had a great time and I could pleasure her. I guess I just need to be more patient because she is not at that step yet.

Well, when you bed enough women you notice that they all have different sexual personalities. I just accept that that's the way they are.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 08:32:45 pm »
There has to be some natural ways to heat her up. Perhaps some raw oysters may help or take her out for sushi, that usually guarantees some hot loven afterward.

Its hard to give advice on this issue because I have found a woman that almost never goes more than three days without approaching me for sex. Our first encounter we made love 7 times within twelve hours and she was pregnant within 3 months.

Some women may be late bloomers and do need some extra sensitivity when trying to romance. While other women have put up so many physiological barriers and are so impenetrable you literally have to get them drunk to loosen them up. Not that I am recommending making her an alcoholic, but just consider a sushi dinner followed by a couple of strong drinks. It is a classic method for getting intercourse.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2011, 04:00:02 am »
in regards to the question..its possible that some women today have less sex drive but not something i've experienced much. Although I wasn't around years ago it seems like alot of arguments suggest people are overstimulated into having/desiring more sex by both society and 'toxins' or whatever..which I think is generalizing. Certainly since sex is a major source of pleasure itself theres all sorts of potential for it to be over or under-active to fulfill some need or be absent due to physical issues or traumas of other kinds.

If you hadn't said you have had no actual intercourse and that she was a virgin I might be on board..but it sounds very much some kind of psychology around the issue. Never had sex with a virgin myself, but certainly if there is any kind of build up or pressure in a situation it makes things more challenging in the physical in my experience. It might be a matter of some of the..uh..'work' above but I think its going to be more a matter of convincing the mind that either your bond is genuine..or that she should just get over these hangups and try something very normal with someone she trusts. If you continue with this person I can only guess sex will be more enjoyable. If after 10 or so times you still have dry patches (sorry) then maybe troubleshoot her diet etc...

I personally am for better or worse not a virgin, and maybe with my experience I intimidate her, but I am a good guy and am pretty patient. I reassure her that everything is okay and when she's ready is best for the both of us. I try really hard to not give her any pressure. And to be honest, this girl is the coolest girl Ive ever hung out with. I really enjoy spending time with her and she feels the same way about me. Totally the opposite of superficial and respects a strong man with character, which is what women should respect.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2011, 04:01:38 am »
according to av oranges+avocados is an aphrodisiac. If you use deo quit. Your natural pheromones will help but not if they are suppresed/masked by deo. Does she exercise? if not it may be a good way to balance (sex)hormones. 8)

When she exercises her sex drive goes up.
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 04:52:19 am »
I personally am for better or worse not a virgin
Sorry i wasn't accusing you of being a virgin man, I was just saying that with that added info about her it made total sense to me why she could say she wants something and still have a physiological response due to fears/ hangups etc...and that it is likely not a physical issue unless she is showing extreme depression or other symptoms of really poor health. My experience with girls on drugs/crappy foods, long term vegetarian, way older etc...never had to use some kind of lube. I have though encountered girls that are just plain damaged from past experiences etc...and that is pretty hard to deal with. Perhaps there is something else going on. Has she talked to her friends and stuff about it? what do they think?

maybe with my experience I intimidate her, but I am a good guy and am pretty patient. I reassure her that everything is okay and when she's ready is best for the both of us. I try really hard to not give her any pressure. And to be honest, this girl is the coolest girl Ive ever hung out with. I really enjoy spending time with her and she feels the same way about me. Totally the opposite of superficial and respects a strong man with character, which is what women should respect.

it sounds like you got something good. Sans pressure, maybe tequila is in fact the answer. its gluten free. If you have that strong connect, I really suspect once things do happen that after a few awkward starts it should be great.

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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 04:18:57 pm »
    My sex drive was rather low when I was young.  First of all, there's germ theory, so it was scary-  "what about possible diseases, what about germs"? and so forth.  Religion could make you wait too.  Women can be considered worthless if young, single, not yet married and non-virgin in some cultures.  I was very thin, so I think that my hormones may have been low due to barely any body-fat at all.  For me I think I had lack of family support etc too, so that's not very good for self esteem, which in turn may not get some women ready for sex. 

    Your girlfriend, you say she wants to give you pleasure, but not to keen on getting pleasure herself.  I'm sure there could be many reasons.  And, if she is not used to pleasuring herself, perhaps she like you say is just not at that stage yet. 

    Some children start masturbating at very young ages, have naturally strong sex drives (and opportunity) etc.  By the time they are twenty I'm pretty sure they'll be pretty sexually active, or at least more ready for it.  Like I said about me, I was very thin, and probably very low hormones.  You might guess I may have had a lot less experience getting pleasure than many others.  Then I was a young single mother (lol don't ask how that happened), and for one reason or another I kind of didn't wind up having any sex drive till close to thirty.  I think the sex drive not really getting going till that age is within normal range for women in our culture though.

    Maybe she needs more time.  Or maybe she has psychological problems.  Or maybe you two are not compatible in that way.  It could be you two are having a very good and important relationship the way that it is now, and are not meant to marry and spend many years together.  Could be this is a learning experience with her, a beloved cherished one, and you two will wind up with others who you are meant more to be with for life.  I don't mean offense.  I would love to see what's best for you to happen.

         
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2011, 05:28:02 pm »
Some children start masturbating at very young ages, have naturally strong sex drives (and opportunity) etc.  By the time they are twenty I'm pretty sure they'll be pretty sexually active, or at least more ready for it.
More like 15 nowadays. You won't find many virgins 18+ virgins at least not in the NL. Maybe it’s different in the us due to religious propaganda. Or maybe its just because the us is a fear driven society.
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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 11:43:53 am »
    My sex drive was rather low when I was young.  First of all, there's germ theory, so it was scary-  "what about possible diseases, what about germs"? and so forth.  Religion could make you wait too.  Women can be considered worthless if young, single, not yet married and non-virgin in some cultures.  I was very thin, so I think that my hormones may have been low due to barely any body-fat at all.  For me I think I had lack of family support etc too, so that's not very good for self esteem, which in turn may not get some women ready for sex. 

    Your girlfriend, you say she wants to give you pleasure, but not to keen on getting pleasure herself.  I'm sure there could be many reasons.  And, if she is not used to pleasuring herself, perhaps she like you say is just not at that stage yet. 

    Some children start masturbating at very young ages, have naturally strong sex drives (and opportunity) etc.  By the time they are twenty I'm pretty sure they'll be pretty sexually active, or at least more ready for it.  Like I said about me, I was very thin, and probably very low hormones.  You might guess I may have had a lot less experience getting pleasure than many others.  Then I was a young single mother (lol don't ask how that happened), and for one reason or another I kind of didn't wind up having any sex drive till close to thirty.  I think the sex drive not really getting going till that age is within normal range for women in our culture though.

    Maybe she needs more time.  Or maybe she has psychological problems.  Or maybe you two are not compatible in that way.  It could be you two are having a very good and important relationship the way that it is now, and are not meant to marry and spend many years together.  Could be this is a learning experience with her, a beloved cherished one, and you two will wind up with others who you are meant more to be with for life.  I don't mean offense.  I would love to see what's best for you to happen.

         

Whoah, dont get too far ahead of this. She has been with guys before, longest was 11 months and still has never even done anything, not even breast grabbing/holding. I was the first penis she ever saw. Only thing she has done before me was kiss another guy. She has always been uncomfortable with her past boyfriends, and refused completely in having sex with them. Once I came along, I made her comfortable with me because I never gave her any pressure. She started acting very sexual around me within weeks of dating and then we started hitting it off, doing everything except sex. I recently asked for her honest feelings about sex and she said she really wants to do it with me but she is afraid of the pain, which I completely understand. I may not know what it is like for a girl for the first time, but I can imagine that it may not be the best experience.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 11:51:20 am »
Get some KY Jelly, it may help re-assure her.
It's usually not enjoyable the first time for virgins.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 12:54:00 pm »
I'm surprised at your recommendation for KY GS. Has anyone here ever tried coconut oil? I was a little late in the free thought on lube, but when my girly gets back from her trip, it's coming off the shelf! I've done a bit of research on it and it seems to work fairly well, though some have complained about grittiness.

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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 12:54:44 pm »
More like 15 nowadays. You won't find many virgins 18+ virgins at least not in the NL. Maybe it’s different in the us due to religious propaganda. Or maybe its just because the us is a fear driven society.

    Lol I know, some children start with other children at nine even and are pretty mature sexually etc.  I just wanted to give a more legal age and plus the couple in question are twenty each.  I know of a couple who were twenty-four and twenty-nine their first time.  They got married and it lasted.  I would think most women are sixteen and boys are eighteen, but I don't know.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 12:57:37 pm »
I'm surprised at your recommendation for KY GS. Has anyone here ever tried coconut oil? I was a little late in the free thought on lube, but when my girly gets back from her trip, it's coming off the shelf! I've done a bit of research on it and it seems to work fairly well, though some have complained about grittiness.

    Butter.  Butter/honey.  Why support the pharmaceutical companies too much?  Use a good juicer to make the coconut cream and it shouldn't be too gritty.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2011, 12:59:19 pm »
Ah, well we don't know the current mindset of Pioneer's girl.
If she is still in the mainstream mindset then KY is acceptable.
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Re: Do women have lower sex drives these days???
« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2011, 01:05:34 pm »
Get some KY Jelly, it may help re-assure her.
It's usually not enjoyable the first time for virgins.

Whoah, dont get too far ahead of this. ... I recently asked for her honest feelings about sex and she said she really wants to do it with me but she is afraid of the pain, which I completely understand. I may not know what it is like for a girl for the first time, but I can imagine that it may not be the best experience.

    The first time you do anything it can leave an impression.  It can set the tone for the rest.  Maybe just keep playing with her, talking with her, massaging her gently and erotically, going out and having fun with her.  It might lead to her asking for it, when the time is right for her.  I don't think it has to hurt the first time or get overstretched or torn.  

    For birthing medical doctors teach that without episiotomy women rip nine times out of ten.  Midwives teach that massaging the perineum naturally allows for the perineum to stretch comfortably via hormones instead of cutting.  I think the same can go for first timers.  There must be massages and aromatherapy that's good to allay fears.  But a zillion people don't go through too much preparation, and we're still here and work through things.    
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