To Chew or not to Chew

[goodsamaritan]

I find that chewing beef minimally is satisfying, some 10 chews per small piece.

I think the old over chewing bit is needed for cooked food which has lots of condiments so people eat for taste.

[Roselene]

Indeed the presence of ptyalin in saliva appears to be a digestive adaptation to eating something starchy, on the basis that the resultant sugars are needed by some metabolic processes. However, it falls short in assuming that only starchy veggies have starch, which many here know to be false, as certain organs (liver) are relatively high in glycogen, an animal starch. The original claim that ptyalin interferes with protein digestion seems rather odd, considering that its job is starch digestion.

    Point being, while healing, and wanting to use as much of your energy as possible for healing, if eating meat that has no starch, to chew would be a waste of energy making ptyalin.  It might also put extra enzymes in the mix that would be best not to be there.

[Raw Kyle]

Maybe the ptyalin changes the pH, I don't know any other way it could interfere.

[Neone]

Holy smokes.. heres how you do it..

1) cut chunk of meat
2) mash in teeth until it feels like you can swallow it
3) swallow

Ive also started trying out eating my chicken bones and so far ive not noticed any undigested bones in my stool.
Ill see bits of left-over fat but i assume that its like a waste material, kind of like when you render fat and the liquid comes out but there is the crackle left.

[PaleoPhil]

You know I did try bolting some of the leg of mutton that I was eating; it got stuck in my thought and I had to make myself perk it up (that took quite a while and I thought I had to die!). I also found quite a bit of mutton undigested in my stool; all this upset me very much!

I tried bolting some meat, but had a similar experience to Nicola's. Without chewing it first, the only way I could get it down was by drinking water. Is there some trick to bolting without water, or does it take practice, or what? I too notice that when I eat meat that isn't thoroughly ground, chewed (no, I don't count the number of times I chew or anything like that and the claims that people should chew their food so many times never seemed natural to me--I only chew until I can swallow the meat) or fermented, some of it passes undigested. This could be due to my history of GI problems.

In addition to carnivores and bears, what other animals bolt their meat?

[miles]

Could one of the reasons that humans have less sharp teeth than other carnivores be because of our hands/nails? We can hold with our hands/nails and tear away the meat quite precisely with our two front-teeth, where as a cat may be limited in the amount it can tear because it's hard for it to use its' paws and have to rely on cutting with the sharp canines.

[William]

Could one of the reasons that humans have less sharp teeth than other carnivores be because of our hands/nails? We can hold with our hands/nails and tear away the meat quite precisely with our two front-teeth, where as a cat may be limited in the amount it can tear because it's hard for it to use its' paws and have to rely on cutting with the sharp canines.

It's because paleoman always had a very sharp knife.

[roony]

I tried bolting some meat, but had a similar experience to Nicola's. Without chewing it first, the only way I could get it down was by drinking water. Is there some trick to bolting without water, or does it take practice, or what? I too notice that when I eat meat that isn't thoroughly ground, chewed (no, I don't count the number of times I chew or anything like that and the claims that people should chew their food so many times never seemed natural to me--I only chew until I can swallow the meat) or fermented, some of it passes undigested. This could be due to my history of GI problems.

In addition to carnivores and bears, what other animals bolt their meat?

Cover it with raw cream or butter, if you want to bolt down food easily

[goodsamaritan]

I chew my meat some 10 chews before I swallow.
That feels good for me.

[PaleoPhil]

Cover it with raw cream or butter, if you want to bolt down food easily

Mi na' eat cream or butter, but I'll try with tallow.

[klowcarb]

I chew my meat some 10 chews before I swallow.
That feels good for me.

I chew my raw GROUND beef. Seriously. I love to chew. I chew it to a paste. I am also a girl that LOVES hard fat on steaks and loves gristle! 

[PaleoPhil]

Cover it with raw cream or butter, if you want to bolt down food easily

Oh man, I tried covering some beef with melted suet but it was too big to get down, even with water, so I made a smaller ball of just soft suet, but even with that it was too big and it was unpleasant going down and now it feels like it's still stuck in my throat. Very uncomfortable. I must have a narrow throat. I also feel like I have a brick in my stomach and am getting some mild reflux and belching after only 3 small balls. That ends tonight's experiment.

[RawZi]

I am also a girl that LOVES hard fat on steaks and loves gristle! 

    Gristle I used to like, even though I didn't like the rest of the steak.  Even now, I get shoulders or roasts, but not the steaks.  Do raw steaks have gristle too?  What's it like raw?  If it's that stringy hard to chew up white stuff, I don't like it at this time.  Chewing on raw tendon has left me náuseas afterward.

[William]

Oh man, I tried covering some beef with melted suet but it was too big to get down, even with water, so I made a smaller ball of just soft suet, but even with that it was too big and it was unpleasant going down and now it feels like it's still stuck in my throat.

I did the opposite, and rolled the tallow in thin partly dried ground beef, sort of like sushi. Went down easy.

If it had been marrow instead of tallow, and there were a dipping sauce acceptable to paleo rules this would make a good hors d'oeuvre for even those who loath raw meat. It hardly tastes raw.
The French are masters at this art (although their master chefs de cuisine seem to have German names); maybe a member will volunteer to create a sauce.

[RawZi]

... beef, sort of like sushi. Went down easy.

If it had been marrow instead of tallow, and there were a dipping sauce acceptable to paleo rules this would make a good hors d'oeuvre for even those who loath raw meat. It hardly tastes raw.
The French are masters at this art ... to create a sauce.

    Blood?  Saltwater?  Pascalite clay?  Do you speak French?  Maybe you can translate a French chef raw'ish meat video, they're making all meat makirolls no rice nor veges. 

    http://rawintoronto.ning.com/forum/topics/more-meat-foreign-maki

[Roselene]

~ in the us -- so i was told by a sales person at both a meat & a fish shops -- all meat for lawful retail sale is devoid of blood, oftentimes pre-frozen (by usda regulation, liver is always previously or currently frozen), & always thoroughly washed at least with chlorinated water (if not also with detergents or who knows what) >> is it high-meatable at all?
~ eventually i found apparently reliable scientific info which convinced me, at least for the time being, that meat fermentations are deleterious

I think I got some of that meat.  It didn't taste bad, but it looked like it had been briefly dipped in bleach.  It was thick, so I think it could still be made into high meat.  It was a very thin surface that was affected.  This is the second purchase and fourth piece of meat I've gotten like this.

I didn't chew much, but it did have some hard grizzle.

[Alan]

your cat can't manipulate its food well with its paws?   you need to hang out with a better bred cat!

[Roselene]

Aajonus also said, according to a PD friend of mine online, that chewing your raw meat helps clear and move lymph from your neck.

My friend seems to be correct, in my experience chewing and not chewing my raw meat throughout various times in these past years.

So if your pancreas, salivary glands or lymph system is the current top priority, I might choose whether to chew or not according to these factors.

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