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Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« on: July 08, 2011, 04:38:20 pm »
I've seen various topics in the past (via search inb4 use the search button -.-) on fertilized eggs:
- On how there is little no biotin binding
- On how they're easier to digest

But how does one acquire such, where can you buy them and can you list links to companies that sell them from pastured egg layers that eat little grain/seed.


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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2011, 05:03:56 pm »
Places to look for fertile eggs:

  • Health-food stores often either carry fertile eggs or know who to refer you to (in smaller towns).
  • Sometimes people with layers advertise on Craigslist or in the Pennysaver or your local paper.
  • Farmers markets.
  • CSA (community-supported agriculture) like this: http://www.localharvest.org/organic-farms/

I like to visit the farm and see hens running around, and see a rooster on the premises.
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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2011, 05:21:15 pm »
Oh thanks, can someone explain the rooster and hen thing and what does it have to do with fertilized eggs?


And is there like an egg test to tell if an egg is TRULY fertilized and not a scam?

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2011, 08:31:54 pm »
We buy duck eggs.
Duck eggs are fertilized by default in the Philippines... they are used in the balut industry.
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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 06:10:15 am »
We buy duck eggs.
Duck eggs are fertilized by default in the Philippines... they are used in the balut industry.


Ah cool, I wonder if the same would be true for the US. Ah the Phillipines always has the best food.

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 05:23:59 am »
Techy - duck eggs are not necessarily fertilized in the US. The drakes don't really fill any purpose when it comes to making eggs to eat so are just more mouths to feed.

Fertilization happens just like the "birds and the bees" of other species. A human's egg develops inside the body and a bird's egg develops outside the body. That's the difference.

When I get ducks I will get a drake along with the hens because unlike roosters the drakes make little to no noise. In that way it is easier to have fertilized duck eggs in a situation like mine with neighbors close by....... but get the wrong kind of duck and the hens will make make more of a racket than a rooster will.

I'm going to get Indian Runners which is a quite breed of flightless duck and the drakes make no noise at all - so we will be having fertilized duck eggs.

It will be very interesting to see if I am then attracted to eating the whites of the duck eggs!

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2012, 09:52:14 pm »
This needle is going to be inserted into the vagina and that is how the eggs are retrieved. This procedure can be uncomfortable for some women and can be described as the discomfort that comes with a Pap smear. While you will not have to be under general anesthesia, some clinics will give some local anesthesia to help with the discomfort. After  procedure  should rest and then you are going to be able to resume normal activities.



What the hell...?

Anyway, I actually have a question about fertilized eggs. We recently got some eggs of different colors from a farmer in our neighborhood. One of the eggs so far had blood in it. More than specks, it was a noticeable amount swimming around with the yolk. I did notice they have a rooster roaming with the hens, so it probably is fertilized, right?

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2012, 10:06:15 pm »
That rudi was an egg spammer.
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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2012, 12:15:39 am »
What the hell...?

Anyway, I actually have a question about fertilized eggs. We recently got some eggs of different colors from a farmer in our neighborhood. One of the eggs so far had blood in it. More than specks, it was a noticeable amount swimming around with the yolk. I did notice they have a rooster roaming with the hens, so it probably is fertilized, right?
Ferocious - blood in the egg is not a sign of fertilization but a bleeding hen. Those little dots one sees in the yolk are also not a sign of fertilization, but little bits of blood from the hen. Lots of blood probably means a sick or dying hen. The sign of a developing chick is blood vessels growing around the yolk towards the empty space where a chick will have room to develop in the white - which is used more as a buffer to protect the egg and chick than anything and it is only a backup food source for the chick.  The yolk btw is used for food by the growing chick and would not be affected by fertilization at all. Often you will see nothing at all for a week or maybe just some cloudiness when candling an egg. You wouldn't want to wait a week to check for fertilization before eating as the protein levels of eggs deteriorate over time so the most nutritious eggs you can get are the freshest. It's not like the chick is going to be developing in that egg without a mother hen or incubator so the more you wait to see if the egg is fertilized, the less nutritious the egg will be.

Here are some great pictures:
http://alistairpott.com/2008/06/02/photos-of-a-chicken-developing-inside-an-egg/

It is more important to get an egg from chickens that are fed well (a sliding scale with really well being almost impossible to find - see my raw paleo chicken thread) than to get a fertilized egg. The whites might change a little with fertilization, but I don't like to eat raw egg whites whether fertilized or not as they taste wrong to eat for me. Therefore, I would much rather have just the egg yolks from my extremely well-fed hens and even eat a little bit of white here and there with them.

PaleoPhil has posted extensively on the subject and has proven to me that in the amount of eggs I eat (2-3 a day), even if I did eat the whites, I would have nothing to worry about re biotin absorption. I don't give the biotin issue much thought at all regarding my eating of eggs. If I liked the whites, I might just eat something else that is high in biotin to offset any possible but unproven issues. But generally - I prefer to trust my body and what it says than any outside source. My opinion is to find the best fed and freshest eggs first and foremost rather than giving too much importance to fertilization. Also, judge by the taste of the egg and how it makes your body feel rather than other undeterminable factors. Even if there is a rooster that does not necessarily mean that the egg is fertilized as it depends on how many hens there are to rooster and if the egg happens to come from the roosters favorite hen(s). Some rooster just choose one or two hens to fertilize constantly and leave the rest alone.

Again - I don't think the biotin issue has much value - but I feel like the food source and living conditions and freshness have massive value.
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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2012, 06:00:10 am »
Ferocious - blood in the egg is not a sign of fertilization but a bleeding hen. Those little dots one sees in the yolk are also not a sign of fertilization, but little bits of blood from the hen. Lots of blood probably means a sick or dying hen. The sign of a developing chick is blood vessels growing around the yolk towards the empty space where a chick will have room to develop in the white - which is used more as a buffer to protect the egg and chick than anything and it is only a backup food source for the chick.  The yolk btw is used for food by the growing chick and would not be affected by fertilization at all. Often you will see nothing at all for a week or maybe just some cloudiness when candling an egg. You wouldn't want to wait a week to check for fertilization before eating as the protein levels of eggs deteriorate over time so the most nutritious eggs you can get are the freshest. It's not like the chick is going to be developing in that egg without a mother hen or incubator so the more you wait to see if the egg is fertilized, the less nutritious the egg will be.

Here are some great pictures:
http://alistairpott.com/2008/06/02/photos-of-a-chicken-developing-inside-an-egg/

It is more important to get an egg from chickens that are fed well (a sliding scale with really well being almost impossible to find - see my raw paleo chicken thread) than to get a fertilized egg. The whites might change a little with fertilization, but I don't like to eat raw egg whites whether fertilized or not as they taste wrong to eat for me. Therefore, I would much rather have just the egg yolks from my extremely well-fed hens and even eat a little bit of white here and there with them.

PaleoPhil has posted extensively on the subject and has proven to me that in the amount of eggs I eat (2-3 a day), even if I did eat the whites, I would have nothing to worry about re biotin absorption. I don't give the biotin issue much thought at all regarding my eating of eggs. If I liked the whites, I might just eat something else that is high in biotin to offset any possible but unproven issues. But generally - I prefer to trust my body and what it says than any outside source. My opinion is to find the best fed and freshest eggs first and foremost rather than giving too much importance to fertilization. Also, judge by the taste of the egg and how it makes your body feel rather than other undeterminable factors. Even if there is a rooster that does not necessarily mean that the egg is fertilized as it depends on how many hens there are to rooster and if the egg happens to come from the roosters favorite hen(s). Some rooster just choose one or two hens to fertilize constantly and leave the rest alone.

Again - I don't think the biotin issue has much value - but I feel like the food source and living conditions and freshness have massive value.
Yeah, I think you're right about the blood. It seemed weird. Maybe the hen was sick...They all looked so healthy and happy outside though. I really love chickens' behavior. I think they're very cute, weirdly! I think I want chickens and not to eat. Maybe for their eggs and for companions. : )

Yeah, I'm not very concerned about the biotin thing. I would expect these chickens to be healthy but I don't know for sure. I don't know what they eat. there is a rooster roaming with them so I'm sure a lot of the eggs are fertilized. I don't know a lot about chickens and when they mate, or if they mate all the time.

Those photos are awesome, thanks!

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2012, 06:49:45 am »
Even if someone is doing everything right eventually a chicken will get sick and/or die. It's just the nature of things.

Chickens are great Ferocious. If I need a good laugh all I need to do is walk out the back door.  I've never had a pet that served a purpose besides enjoyment before. Chickens can make wonderful pets if raised to be such from an early age AND they provide eggs. Can't beat that.

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Re: Fertilized Eggs Discussion
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2012, 03:28:00 pm »
You can find Pastured Ducks eggs on www.eatwild.com. I actually ordered some not to long ago. Very good, and I'm told they keep for over 6 weeks. But, they never lasted that long with me  :). The yolks are much bigger, more nutritious, and some say easier to digest than chicken eggs. It's hard to find poultry, and eggs that are 100% pasture raised. Just to let you know.
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« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 07:17:29 am »
FYI - 100% pastured raised doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't also given feed. You've got to ask specifically what kind of food is supplemented and how much. Here, there are no farmers that supply eggs from chickens that forage 100%. Pasture raised, means, they live on a pasture pretty much. How much food they can find on that pasture has lots of variables so how much feed they're given also is widely variable. Even ducks. I learned that the breed of duck makes a big difference too. Some are just too fat and lazy and just eat the feed where others eat little of the feed preferring food they can search actively for. So, even on one farm with ducks some of the eggs could be more paleo than others. 

 

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