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I think I have posted everywhere BUT here!
« on: August 01, 2011, 08:59:48 am »
Oopsy - I guess I felt welcomed immediately already?

How I started eating RAFs. Well, I was into raw for very long time and then not very long ago I landed in Texas where a neighbor said, "Hey, did you know you could have chickens in your backyard?" Ooooo. Open door - in comes thought - life suddenly different. The welcome message made me laugh because I use "fowl" language all the time because I love talking about fowl - chickens, ducks etc. hee hee. I love me my raw egg yolks. Cluck, cluck, cluck!

Then my doggie got cancer and I had heard about the Budwig cure and  one thing led to the next and here in Texas I was able to get super high quality raw milk! In NYC 20 years earlier I tried that and nearly had my head handed to me.

Sushi I knew about and indulged in occasionally. There was about a decade in there somewhere that I was totally vegan. But I never thought it even possible to eat other raw meat than fish. When I heard about it I was delighted that maybe I could get hubbie to eat raw too! The guy just aint a vegetarian. I was always extremely healthy (unless I was in denial or something) the whole time I was vegan and vegetarian.

PaleoPhil then told me on another forum (first exposure to other raw foodists - just did it on my own for about 30 years) that the way I eat now in Texas is paleo. I eat raw animal foods (I eat raw eggs and fishes... and milk is sorta kinda maybe included in paleo?) and other whole raw natural stuff - whatever feels good. He says that makes me paleo. I hope so because I like the idea. I have a great deal to learn if I am going to help my hubbie to transition to eating a raw food diet. I will do anything I need to to help him with it. I've already learned a great deal here and I just arrived!

Sometimes I'm all raw - sometimes I'm not. Here's what would happen over and over. I would go from almost raw to all raw and about 3 months into being 100% raw I would get so much energy that I would feel like I was going to jump out of my skin until I couldn't take it any more and then eat some cooked foods. I would do these 3 to 6 months cycles over and over - FOR THIRTY YEARS!

I'm hoping that when I try 100% raw with RAF included that I might be able to have more solid, steady, tolerable energy that will be maintainable. Fingers crossed.

I'm looking forward to get to know you. I'm looking forward to learning from you. I'm hoping I can contribute something useful. 


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Re: I think I have posted everywhere BUT here!
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 12:33:07 pm »
    Welcome :) Dorothy! 

    The energy is different.  I know what you mean by jumping out of your skin.  I felt like that sometimes with raw vegan, and it was hard.  I can tell you I feel a lot more stable strong energy with the RAFs.  It was the first thing I noticed, switching from very long time vegan to raw cultured grass fed butter.  I was just thinking too before I saw your post how sleep is so much more efficient, deep, restful, repairing and short with eating raw meat.  It's the best sleeping pill possible, I think, as I never was into that, but it works better than other foods (for me).
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 09:57:34 pm »
Thank you Zi. I guess I was lucky that I've always slept like a baby. Vegan sleep was actually some of the best. The thing with raw vegan is that I would feel unbelievably great for the first 3 - 6 months, and even then I felt amazing, just not able to continue, like there was something wrong with my ability to "accept" feeling so much energy. It wasn't until I saw so many raw vegans talking/acting manic and people talking about being too "sattvic"  etc. that I finally was able to see that maybe I was just taking care of myself going back to eating cooked vegan and then vegetarian when the energy got too intense.

Sleep though - that I have always been a pro at.  I can't imagine not being able to sleep soundly and how hard that must be on a system. Hubbie has that problem and I feel so bad for him.  :'(  I'm glad you figured out how to solve that.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 04:30:28 am »
    You're welcome Dorothy.

    I slept well as a vegan the first seventeen years of it.  Prior to vegan I did not sleep, well, rarely ever and short and could not nap no matter what and could never fall back asleep no matter how much I needed it once woken up.  After being vegan more than seventeen years my sleep went completely haywire.  Yes, this diet takes care of that.  I hope it helps your husband's sleep.  You're lucky.  You need no support sleeping.  I think most of the world is like that, I have the odd luck there.  I think my son tends to be like me.  It took absolute quite and absolute dark etc for him to fall asleep even as three year old.

    Being sattvic is fine, if it's right for you, in my opinion.  Sattvic literally means reality, written in the original Sanskrit it's ??????.  I just think everything can need balance to be reality.    

edit: oops the sanskrit comes out as smileys
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 04:39:28 am »
Maybe slightly skewed to the sattvic and yin is natural and feels right to me and that's why I feel so good vegan and so good raw vegan for a limited time? Who knows.

I guess after 17 years is when you started to feel a big change huh? Maybe I would eventually too. I will never know I guess.

But this experiment is interesting and exciting. I sure do hope that hubbie's sleep can be helped. It has gotten much better in recent years though. I wonder why.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 05:30:12 pm »
    I hope your hubbie's sleep problem is working out, Dorothy.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 01:23:44 am »
Welcome Dorothy. Long chain animals fats are a good source of stable energy.

PaleoPhil then told me on another forum (first exposure to other raw foodists - just did it on my own for about 30 years) that the way I eat now in Texas is paleo. I eat raw animal foods (I eat raw eggs and fishes... and milk is sorta kinda maybe included in paleo?) and other whole raw natural stuff - whatever feels good. He says that makes me paleo. I hope so because I like the idea.
I think I said Primal, as in somewhat similar to the recommended diets of Aajonus Vonderplanitz's raw Primal diet and Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint, both of which I think include raw dairy and raw eggs in their diets. Basically raw Paleo plus raw dairy, with your twist being a heavier plant orientation than Aajonus or Mark.

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Here's what would happen over and over. I would go from almost raw to all raw and about 3 months into being 100% raw I would get so much energy that I would feel like I was going to jump out of my skin until I couldn't take it any more and then eat some cooked foods. I would do these 3 to 6 months cycles over and over - FOR THIRTY YEARS!

I'm hoping that when I try 100% raw with RAF included that I might be able to have more solid, steady, tolerable energy that will be maintainable. Fingers crossed.
I sing the body electric!

I guess after 17 years is when you started to feel a big change huh? Maybe I would eventually too.
It depends on the individual. I've noticed lots of former committed vegans and raw vegans who quit it after around 5 years or so, at which point symptoms from deficiencies in B12 and other nutrients started becoming difficult to ignore. Some, like DurianRider, instead take B12 supplements or shots and keep at it, often nonetheless experiencing other problems like mood and energy swings (such as swings from hyperactivity to drowsiness and back again), emaciation, muscle wasting, hormone issues (of which one common issue is physical feminization of males), hair loss, rapid aging, and psychological, psychiatric or neurological issues. I have seen multiple vegans, both raw and cooked, who had claimed they were doing great, eventually report that they had been suffering for months or years but were afraid to admit it and had hoped it would eventually turn around.
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>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 01:29:21 pm »
... Some, like DurianRider, instead take B12 supplements or shots and keep at it, often nonetheless experiencing other problems like mood and energy swings (such as swings from hyperactivity to drowsiness and back again), emaciation, muscle wasting, hormone issues (of which one common issue is physical feminization of males), hair loss, rapid aging, and psychological, psychiatric or neurological issues. ...

    Me.  On any diet that is not high enough in raw animal foods and especially raw animal fats I lose tons of hair every day.  Also on same said diets I have extremely little muscle on most of my bones. I also on said diets had this little uncomfortable nervousness inside of me I get tired of and it doesn't go away and eventually feel strange traveling sensations in lots of parts of my body. 
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 12:40:00 am »
Thanks for the info Phil!

DR is a fruitarian right? I never felt good eating a lot of fruit. Eating that diet would have done me in a very long time ago. I have gone for many months without eating any fruit at all. Just about every person over a certain age in my family got diabetes. I think that getting rid of all processed sugars was one of the best moves I ever made for my health - trumping every other experiment. Fruit in small amounts I feel good from but if I go over a certain line it becomes bad rather quickly. I can't even eat too much honey. A little good, a lot bad.

I wonder why I felt good when most everyone else seems to have done so poorly? Maybe it's relative. I grew up on a really lousy SAD diet so by the time I got to eating health oriented foods and eradicating the bad stuff I just felt better and better over time.

Maybe I generated my own b12 after working so hard to regenerate my gut flora early on? Maybe I just changed my diet before the symptoms started? I think I have eaten raw very differently than most of the people I have read about recently. I didn't make green smoothies or follow any rules. I ate as much fat as I wanted. If I wanted 3 avocados in a day covered in a fatty dressing - I ate it. Tomatoes and avocados and similar fruits I can eat en masse and have no problems. I didn't eat much fruit otherwise. I soaked all my seeds/nuts and then ground them. I needed them ground to digest them well - but ate a lot of them and usually would eat any fruit I had along with ground seeds. I drank lots of teas and used plant medicine a great deal to get lots of nutrients and would forage for weeds. It took a great deal of effort really. When eating cooked veg grains did not make me sick - I just didn't feel quite as good as when eating raw. The first bites after going from all raw to cooked were pretty bad, often thrown up, but it was better than staying in the hyper-kinetic energy state I got into eventually when eating all raw vegan.

The times I have gotten sick were when eating junky food. Raw food made me feel really great, but the baseline of just not eating standard garbage was strong after the initial healing period. Raw food felt different than what most people I think consider being "healthy" to be - as in not sick - to me. I guess health can be a relative term.

I have always had the expectations that if I could figure out how to stay all raw long enough in a way that was sustainable that I could get to a new level of health.

Health to me is NOT never getting sick. For decades now I haven't gotten colds or flus and all that jazz that others all around me get. After the last traumatic year with the extreme stress and so little sleep - going sometimes a week without sleeping more than a few minutes here and there - I feel that I used up all my reserves. My diet is not all raw at this point yet due to practicalities and plain old grieving processes and my priority is helping my husband and eating along with him..... but as his health is improving soon I should be able to really key into what is best for me and go for it. I feel a great deal of hope that eating all raw with animal foods included could bring me back faster to the health I had before the traumas and beyond that level of health even.

So far, it seems that eating raw red meat has made something in my right eye detox. Hard material came out of it (actually was tricky/dangerous there for a bit) and now my eyes are becoming the same size which they haven't been since I was a child. I'm hoping that maybe my eyesight will improve as that seems to be my only real health issue - slight nearsightedness - and if I can get back to all raw long enough I'm hoping that my teeth will regenerate as they were earlier. With the trauma my hair went gray but it is starting to come back again. Funny how my Mom's hair went from pure silver back to her youthful black color when I was giving her ionic minerals to fight her cancer and when I stopped giving her the minerals her hair went back to gray - but all at once - not growing slowing in - the gray all the way from top to bottom turned black and was starting to go back to gray again. It was weird. My hair grew in gray - but now as I get minerals and am no longer under such extreme stress my hair is going back to its former color all at once. Bizarre.

I feel that for me I was lucky as eating a good deal of plant foods is a good match for me and I landed into a place that wasn't as deficient or imbalanced as it would be for so many others - obviously.  I think that my form of paleo is going to more plant based than most people here - but even those small amounts seem to be essential judging from what happened to my eye. Eating too much meat seems to imbalance me similarly to eating too much fruit and unlike other foods eating cooked meat makes me feel really bad so eating cooked paleo would be as likely for me as becoming a fruitarian would.

The big thing here is that my husband is feeling better. That will do more for my health right there than any diet of mine could for me! He is sleeping better by the way Zi - thanks for asking.  :D

By the way - I eradicated getting raw milk because the milk smelled of plastic even though it was only put in the plastic the same morning for shipment and I took it out as soon as I got home. Since I've incorporated meat my already outrageously strong sense of smell has gotten stronger. That's another change - but who knows in our modern world if that's a good thing or bad thing!  ;)

I'd like to add in closing a general thank you to all those that make this forum exist and function and all the individual advice, info and help that I have received already.




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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 08:06:17 am »
Thanks for the info Phil!

DR is a fruitarian right?
He's an 80-10-10er, which is different, though quite similar.

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Fruit in small amounts I feel good from but if I go over a certain line it becomes bad rather quickly. I can't even eat too much honey. A little good, a lot bad.

I wonder why I felt good when most everyone else seems to have done so poorly? Maybe it's relative. I grew up on a really lousy SAD diet so by the time I got to eating health oriented foods and eradicating the bad stuff I just felt better and better over time.
Same here, though since I started eating the raw fermented honey, it seems like I can tolerate honey and fruits a bit better. Time will tell.

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I didn't make green smoothies or follow any rules.
Yeah, vegans that consume a lot of smoothies and severely restrict their diets seem to fare worse than avg.

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For decades now I haven't gotten colds or flus and all that jazz that others all around me get.
That's a good sign.

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So far, it seems that eating raw red meat has made something in my right eye detox. Hard material came out of it (actually was tricky/dangerous there for a bit) and now my eyes are becoming the same size which they haven't been since I was a child.
Interesting coincidence--the same normalization of a large eye happened to my nephew gradually after he was put on a Paleo diet. Perhaps it would make sense to get an eye checkup just in case there's any residual issue?

Good luck to you and your husband.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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