Ron Paul for President of the USA

[PaleoPhil]

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Romney is sinking his ship further with respect to the Theocons /quote

ys wrote: "Let's wait for NH and SC to see if it is sinking or not."

NH was a given for Romney and not a Theocon state, so SC was a truer test and Mitt failed that one. Looks like the (non-Mormon) Theocons are not much enamored of him, as I expected. The old South looks like infertile soil for him. He could still win it in the other states. Ron Paul's campaign manager said he thinks it will come down to Romney and Ron Paul, since Gingrich and Santorum aren't even on the ballot in multiple states, according to him.

[SkinnyDevil]

Ron Paul's campaign manager said he thinks it will come down to Romney and Ron Paul, since Gingrich and Santorum aren't even on the ballot in multiple states, according to him.

He is correct, though he overstates the case:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2012_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries

[Projectile Vomit]

I found it entertaining that Romney finally released his tax returns. 13.9 percent on $20+ million in income. Am I wrong to vomit explosively upon seeing that figure?

[ys]

13.9 percent on $20+ million in income. Am I wrong to vomit explosively upon seeing that figure?

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.  That's a perfect example of a success.  I also pay 15% on my long term capital gains.  I wish I had more of them capital gains.  What we need now is lower income tax to 15% as well.

[ys]

Re: mortgages, you speak so loosely because as a 30 something you have not spent your life toiling in the trenches going through a few layoffs, paying down a mortgage on a place that is worthless now thanks to government policies.

I completely disagree with you.  If someone is toiling that's their problem.  I do not toil, I enjoy my job.  I've been through many layoffs and reorgs and always have Plan B.  The first thing I did is allocate enough funds to last few years in case of layoffs.  If someone did not do the same and got themselves an expensive mortgage that's their problem.  No one should be getting a mortgage that costs more than 25% of their income.

My house did go down in value like many others.  But that's completely irrelevant to me because I do not plan to sell it.  If I had to sell it now then I would be concerned.

The whole housing problem was caused by:
- Too many people who purchased houses they could not afford
- Banks lending money to people who cannot afford housing
- Government to force banks to lend money to people who cannot afford it

[TylerDurden]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.  That's a perfect example of a success.  I also pay 15% on my long term capital gains.  I wish I had more of them capital gains.  What we need now is lower income tax to 15% as well.

Only Ron Paul will do that. Indeed he wants it down to 0%.

[PaleoPhil]

Yeah, Romney should vote for Ron Paul, as Ron will work to get Romney's taxes down to zero. LOL

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I completely disagree with you.  If someone is toiling that's their problem.  I do not toil, I enjoy my job.  I've been through many layoffs and reorgs and always have Plan B.  The first thing I did is allocate enough funds to last few years in case of layoffs.  If someone did not do the same and got themselves an expensive mortgage that's their problem.  No one should be getting a mortgage that costs more than 25% of their income.

My house did go down in value like many others.  But that's completely irrelevant to me because I do not plan to sell it.  If I had to sell it now then I would be concerned.

The whole housing problem was caused by:
- Too many people who purchased houses they could not afford
- Banks lending money to people who cannot afford housing
- Government to force banks to lend money to people who cannot afford it

YS, You are playing with words. (toiling) In another 30 years when you are ready to leave the workplace, if you are an average person, toil will probably be a bit closer description. Ah "youth is wasted on the young" (GB Shaw) (or so a Google pointed out, I thought it was Ben Franklin)

The rest of your argument points squarely at why this thread has been in favour of Ron Paul.

As you said;

"-Government to force banks to lend money to people who cannot afford it."

Ron Paul wouldn't allow that.

Canada BTW had no housing crisis.

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I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.  That's a perfect example of a success.  I also pay 15% on my long term capital gains.  I wish I had more of them capital gains.  What we need now is lower income tax to 15% as well.

So in your country what income tax would be paid on earned income? As in a wage earner?

[raw-al]

That's interesting, I looked it up and it varies from 10 to 35%.

So essentially the middle class guy gets his socks knocked off to pay for wars, highways, police etc. Makes perfect sense. Guys like M Romney get into power and lower the rate of taxation on what turns out to be the bulk of his income, (investments) while people in the lower brackets who actually do the work that powers the economy, pay the max rate.That is basically what everyone including Ron Paul says.

That's why they want to get into power. To keep it that way. Why do you think that they got rich in the first place? This isn't a socialist rant, it's just the facts.

I don't know your immediate situation YS, but if you work for someone else you are getting screwed by the income tax system. It's not a question of whether some are successful and more power to them, it's simple math and the M. Romneys want to keep it that way.

Either have a completely level playing field where everyone pays the same tax on everything they earn or have no income tax. There was a time when there was no income tax. It was a temporary measure when it was instituted.

[sabertooth]

Here is a revelation that seems relevant.

Billionaires pick the president, so of course they will choose someone who is for tax breaks for the wealthy, while keeping the middle classes burdened down with higher rates.

There are super committees that are funded by the billionaires that run the campaigns of the top tier candidates. They pay off the media for favorable support, while using their influence to deny equal access to the candidates with less money. Without the uber wealthy pulling the strings no candidate well be able to get through the primary process.

This is why Gingrich is still in the race, he is totally supported by the super wealthy.

Obama is also supported by the super wealthy, perhaps by billionaires with a slightly different view, but still both camps often work together against the best interest of the average person, so I criticize the leaders of both parties equally as being bought off by the wealthy.

So we end up after the primaries, being forced to choose between two millionaires who are under the control of billionaires. The whole process is rigged.

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Not only what I said above, also the Romneys of the world have arranged it so that they buy their toys, houses, restaurant tabs, vacation trips, private jets, German cars, you-name-it, etc. with pre-tax money, so in reality 13.9% is a lot more than what they actually pay (percentage-wise) than the average Joe. That's 13.9% of their income after they bought their toys/vehicles/food/vacation/lodging, etc..

Even the infrastructure that they use for their commercial interests and pleasure is funded by the lower & middle class folks. The highways and airports and federal agencies for restricting commerce to improve their income is paid for by guess who.

Read "Rich Dad Poor Dad" by Robert Kiyosaki http://www.richdad.com/ for a better explanation.

Robert has written some very good books on the subject and has an interesting board game. http://store.richdad.com/Rich-Dad-CASHFLOW-101/dp/B00313NCB2

I was blown away on how accurate the results of the board game were. After playing it a number of times with my wife, I figured out what we were doing wrong with our financial lives. It dawned on me, what it was about our financial IQ, that was an obstacle. I could see the patterns as the outcome of the game (winner/loser) was always the same. I figured out which one of us took better financial risks and how to determine what a better financial risk looks like. The game is not cheap, but very worthwhile. It is a masterpiece of engineering.

His books also tell you the reality of money and how to do an honest "real" financial audit on yourself that is mind expanding. This stuff should be taught in schools, it's too important to leave to chance.

I am intuitively money-wise and successful, but this brought it to another level.

It's no accident that lawyers and business people are politicians.

Sabertooth and I may sound like conspiracy theorists but it's like the old expression "just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't following you".

Income tax was introduced by politicians to pay for wars. Initially po folks cheered because it meant that rich folks would pay more, but it wasn't long before rich figured that one out (remember they didn't get rich by being stupid) and introduced "tax breaks", "incentives for investing" and other BS ways around the "issue".

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Ron Paul explains in his books about the business people who started trooping into his office, looking for special "favours" after he was elected. These people helped him get elected and they expected favours. They were willing to pay handsomely for it.

After he got elected he basically kicked them to hell out.

Unfortunately there are precious few politicians who are honest like this.

Federal agencies are routinely run by people who are politically connected or who are people who worked for, or about to work for the same places they are supposed to regulate. The fox guarding the hen house.

Even an Allopathic doctor like Ron Paul who is very vested in allopathy (allo means trauma and so modern doctors are trauma doctors) freely says that the FDA is basically a front for "big pharma" and the American Medical Association. He freely admits that the allopathic community has gone to great lengths to protect itself, annihilate other medical systems and make themselves above the law by being self-regulated.

The first one they did it to back in the mid 19th century was homeopathy. They have been doing it to all the other systems with impunity because of political pressure. Allopathy back then was less effective, than a prayer circle. Basically a doctor was a philosopher with a little college degree. They would just come and chat with a patient and make them feel better about the inevitable. Patent medicines were useless or just old folk remedies.

The same kind of stuff goes on in the financial community.

All this to say that regulatory agencies are pure unadulterated BS. They don't regulate anything. They tend to restrict trade if anything.

In the hang gliding community, the manufacturers all got together and determined how to make the gliders safer, then they made rules/engineering guidelines and enforced them on the individual manufacturers. If someone dicked with the rules they were out. No government department of hang gliders, just people with a financial and moral obligation to make safe gliders so people would buy more.

But in the FDA's case, (which really should be called the Federal Allopathic/Germ Theory/Surgical Food and Drug Schutzstaffel [German Nazi SS] ), they have governmental power and so can decree that other systems are unlawful and raw food eating is unlawful. It goes way beyond science, science is used as an excuse.

If you don't believe raw food is unlawful, just go into a restaurant and order some (beside the precious few items that have been grandfathered in.)

Instead of the drug/surgery/allopathic manufacturers/practitioners paying for their own association, all tax payers and specifically the lower and middle class ones as I showed before, pay the tab.

These clowns get unbelievable amounts of money doled out to them for research into their drugs and modalities, which is then used by big pharma to make even more money. Then you pay through the nose for the products (if you use these modalities) after you already paid for it in taxes.

If you chose not to use the drugs and surgery and do not subscribe to the germ theory you still foot the tab.

Basically the Romneys out there are enforcing socialism on all Americans, while calling it something else which it isn't.. !!!!!!!!!! Then they use the armed forces to force it on the world.

THAT IS WHAT RON PAUL IS SAYING!

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This is the kind of thing Ron Paul is talking about:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/defending-civil-liberties/can-the-government-make-entrepreneurs-do-useless-things-for-no-reason-.html

He talks about the sugar import duties as an example of political wrangling by a small influential business person somewhere, a long time ago, that has had a dramatic effect on the population, as it has caused a shift to using corn for one heck of a lot of (sweetening etc) products that shouldn't be. Some of these products are very harmful such as HFCS.

Some clown paid off politicians somewhere to slap import duties on sugar to protect a very minute part of the American economy which caused a dramatic and skewed shift in the economy.

[Aaaaaa]

THANK YOU AL!!  Love it! ;-)
I'm going to check out that "Rich Dad" book...I've actually been meaning to for awhile because I've heard good things about it.

[PaleoPhil]

New poll: Obama takes 48%-40% lead over Romney among Michigan votersDetroit Free Press
http://www.freep.com/article/20120126/NEWS15/120126046/New-poll-Obama-takes-48-40-lead-over-Romney-in-Michigan?odyssey=nav%7Chead

As I've said before, Romney cannot beat Obama. Obama would clean his clock. Obama is polling well above Romney in the state Romney was born and raised in for Pete's sake! A Romney victory spells guaranteed defeat for the Republicans.  The Republicans desperately need someone who will inspire people, someone like Ron Paul.

[raw-al]

To continue on with my rant re: income tax.

Let's picture you are transported back to the time of Jesus and you were going to the castle to pay your taxes to the King.

You made a $ 100,000. this year and the guy in front of you in line is Mint Romney who funnily enough made the exact same amount of money. You are a little confused because he only has a small envelope to carry his taxes while you had to bring your roll-along Samsonite luggage to carry yours. Good grief you look like the friggan local bag-lady.

So Mint goes first. Taxman says "how much did you make?" He says "Well it's a bit complicated see, because I didn't really make this money, I mean it's really just "investment income" so therefore, it's hardly worth anything. So my good buddy G. Bush and Barrack who also live off this kind of income, decided that 'we' should be taxed at a muuuch lower rate". (See how handy it is to be making up the rules.)

"OK" the taxman says "so fork over the $ 15,000." Then Mint says "Well actually in order to make that money, I had to have a car, you know 'the Benz', which naturally needs gas and insurance and maintenance and a house and food and my wife 'n kids and I, who are all on the board of directors, had to fly to Fiji and to Africa and to Orlando's Disneyland to have the tri-annual Board of Director's meetings, and then I had to entertain clients in order to make that business run properly, so here are my restaurant tabs and er... well.. ah.. here are the receipts for the boxes at the opera and the baseball and football games where I entertain er ah my, um 'clients' and here is the receipts for the private jet lease and the gas, got to pay for it all you know, airplanes aren't cheap these days".

"Clicketty click, tappety tap, hmmm well Mr. Romney looks like your tax tab comes to $ 2000."

So then you are up to the bat.  "OK" the taxman says "so you made $ 100,000. so fork over the $ 35,000.".

And what is your reply "Yessirree".

So looks like successful in the USA means 'successful at paying less income taxes'. So now Mint has an extra $ 33,000. to invest next year or upgrade his jet to a super mid-size to get to his clients place 20 minutes earlier and of course to do that 4000 mile leg to the Board of Director's meeting, without that pesky refuelling stop. Remember.... the miracle of 'compound-interest'.

Now that is the real tax system that Ron Paul is trying to disassemble and the Mint R's of the world are up in arms about. Can't blame 'em. No wonder they keep such a straight face up on the podium. They are worried.

If you don't believe me, you really ought to learn how to read. Take an accounting course.

Wake up and smell the Romneys.

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And don't get me started on why these characters like wars. It has nothing to do with protecting anyone or protecting business interests. That's referred to as rhetoric.

To cut to the chase, it's because their own and their business friend's "Investment Income" needs the munitions/helicopters/tanks/vehicles/etc. orders, and the contracts to feed armies etc. to bring up the bottom line, cause they are 'bottom feeders' making money off brown people's misery.

The dead soldiers, well that's just good old fashioned collateral damage, "Hey they signed up" as Cheney told his soldiers when they complained about decisions.

[PaleoPhil]

Ron Paul Doctrine - Foreign Policy - Saviour of America
Ron Paul's Foreign Policy - Saviour of America

[raw-al]

Ron Paul Doctrine - Foreign Policy - Saviour of America
Ron Paul's Foreign Policy - Saviour of America

Absolutely, I mean, you never know, America might be attacked by some kagaroos ee-gads or wallabees sheesh! or maybe the dreaded Tasmanian Devil. Yikes!!!
Merrie Melodies - Bedevilled Rabbit (1957)

I'd say if ya foll'erd that decision back to it's s'arce, you'd end up in somebody's pocket. Wonder who? hmmmmmmmmmm what's up Doc. Gotta keep that Investment income rollin in cause it's so unworthwhile.

[raw-al]

Here's more on money in the present system.

http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/money/how-money-is-created-ben-dyson-explainsthe-debt-crisis.html

A British pound is about 1.57 USD.

[raw-al]

Interesting!

[PaleoPhil]

Romney is using his money, connections, wicked cunning and prevarication to mercilessly flail poor Newt into a bloody corpse. I hope the conservatives now finally see what I've been talking about when it comes to Romney. Romney's contempt for conservatives is palpable.

Romney hits 'flailing' Gingrich on eve of Florida primary
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/30/politics/campaign-wrap/index.html

[raw-al]

Can we help? LOL
http://youtu.be/9AOYdVL695s

[TylerDurden]

I loved that bit in the video where he says that Canada has the same problem as the US as regards illiterate foreigners coming in via the southern border to steal peoples' jobs.