KD - It's tough aint it this forum stuff? You're working so hard to make a general valid point regarding claims. At least for me it is not missed. I really admire your integrity and stamina.
heh, well I'd like to actualy accomplish something, for once..and it seemed to be getting there for a second...
I'll take whatever responsibility for threads de-materializing into feuds and so many accusations to even keep track. These of course will not be answered, but possibly cause some folks to think.
The root however is something which anyone can certainly address..but probably won't. That is -
assuming something works because people like an
idea rather than that thing manifesting actual results in the real world, results that go beyond other approaches - worthy of trumping them so in 'arguments' on a forum.
If we are to put things on a pedestal merely for sticking it out with programs, at the very least don't we need to analyze how many people have stuck with such programs? (in this case its not many- very low, particulary with the more pleasure/ease/no 'diet' - claims) as well as actually comparing how those people have fared in comparison to other health approaches - particularly those cited as bad? If not, can't we just cite Aajonus, de Vany etc.....or even people who bring no consciousness to their health at all to
prove claims about any number of things?
Isn't this especially the point of THIS forum not mired by holy ideas like vegetarianism or the claims of other gurus like AV and others present information? Equally importantly do we give credence to ideas that seem accurate to how we understand nature and 'paleo-man' without actually examining results of modern people trying to gain health, or taking into account how accurately these approaches actually mirror the choices and availability of paleo people? (if one cares about such things) . In a hyperbolic example I would hope to think that no one here believes a diet of belladonna, cranberries, brussel sprouts and fish from a farm inside an old oil tank represents a diet that is either paleo or healthy. Mostly how this forum can function it seems is to address how a person can choose the healthiest foods and groupings of foods without assuming everything and every quantity of paleo and/or raw food is good for them.
The larger issue is this is not the first thread that states (
quite non-ironically) long term instinctos
prove the validity of their diet OR the 'raw paleo diet' OR even that its a more suitable diet than other RAF or RVAF diets practiced here. Where is the evidence for this other than such a small sampling that isn't even providing basic
evidence of health? Are we actually saying we can't find examples of
way longer term peoples on other diets? Also diets that members have had had their own experience with and failed and can cite differences?
Everyone should be aware that on other 'parallel universe' forums people like raw fruitarians, raw sproutarians, cooked paleos dieters and cooked zero-carb dieters will make their own claims, cite their own evidence. On this forum there is no other diet that is given 'carte blanch' treatment as examples of healthy eaters. The very idea that instincto lines up more with a 'raw paleo' concept is totally an unacceptable way to validate what some seem as outrageous claims and poor results per grandiose proselytizing.
If people are to be given AUTHORITY based on their experience...and not only to cite what works for them...to cite what the diet of humanity is, the diet that works to cure all disease and to nitpick every thead about what other things are unnecessary (it has been stated for instance that for the record that paleo man didn't 'worry' or know about LC or ZC etc..so these things are obviously unnecessary or harmful)
Its even
had to be pointed out by other moderators towards instinctos that there are many RAF approaches on this site even despite the raw paleo umbrella.
---
To me, the point of a forum is actually being able to discuss things without dogma and blanket advice of authorities about what is good or bad
and to show though peoples experiments, changes undergone, and documentation what is actually working despite what those authorities or books have to say.
---
thats what I got folks...
