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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2012, 04:46:29 am »
The problem is that they are also so high in Vitamin A that the D is supposedly not able to be used according to what I read, so not to be depended upon as a vitamin D source.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #51 on: August 21, 2012, 06:00:02 am »
Suiren - the body ITSELF can make 15,000 IU in a short time in the sun - but that doesn't mean you should ever take a supplement that high! The body knows how much it needs. The problem with taking a pill is that it's not controlled by the body and you can overdose. Very rarely does anyone suggest more than 5,000 IU - especially without being tested regularly. Also, if there isn't enough magnesium you can make for real problems when the body doesn't have enough magnesium to work with that vit d supplement. That's why it's better to get out in the sun if you can and even then make sure you have enough magnesium. 
Makes sense! My mistake!  :o Can it just be regular magnesium from like a health food store? I know there is differences in potency for Zinc, so I wonder if it would be the same.

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When it comes to high fat - I think the trick is to make sure you eat some fat when you take your supplement. A little hunk of suet or an egg yolk is pretty convenient and easy for this.
Will try that! I used to take it before bed time.

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Sounds like you have a unique skin-type. I wonder if it will change as you move forward with your raw paleo diet?
Yes, I wonder about the changes too. Maybe it will absorb Vitamin D. better even?
Btw. I know of many eastern Asians like Japanese, that can be very light, but usually don't burn fast and just tan gradually.
My son seems to be a slow tanner too haha, but he is darker  ;D

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When it comes to suntan lotions besides perhaps the kind that Cheri posted (thanks for that link btw!) they have recently figured out that suntan lotions block the good rays that make vitamin d and let in the harmful rays. That's why skin cancer rates have soared since the advent of suntan lotions.  l) Vitamin d deficiency has been linked to cancer in study after study.
Yes, those are the ones I was referring too. Unlike a physical sun block, that stays on the outside of the skin, these actually penetrate and cause a reaction that also creates carcinogens.

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For women I think that perhaps the best kind of sun protectant (if you are going to use one at all) for the face would be mineral makeup. It's just ground up rocks (the good brands that is) and it is a natural sun protectant. It can also be very purdy - as it's not like regular makeup. It kind of works it's way in with your natural oils changing to your skin color and adapting to your skin - even different areas of your skin.
I have tested a few brands and it made me break out. I also was never able to make it look natural since my skin gets really dry from it despite moisturizer. So I ended up looking like a cookie  :P.
I have heard many good things about it though and I like mineral eye shadow.
Which is the good brand you are speaking of?

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For me, all I have to do is get myself into the sun every day increasing it just a little at a time. I'm not convinced that it will ruin skin if you are eating a good diet. It just feels too good to be as bad as they make it out to be. I'm also much more interested in the insides of my body than the outside. A lot of good having pretty skin will do me in a coffin because I don't have enough vitamin d!  ;) I really am working on being a bit more vain - or maybe I should say - having basic self esteem/care. Part of the problem is that what I've been taught my whole life to be "taking care of myself" just feels bad. It's really nice that we are discussing healthier forms of self-care. I remember once when I was 100% raw putting on suntan lotion and feeling sick for three days after.
Yes, that is true! I love this healthy approach on looking good, and I hate how the beauty industry makes it seem like you just need product X to fix all your problems. Most products don't work.

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I would highly suggest keeping away from any suntan lotion you find in your regular store ESPECIALLY when you are breast feeding. I'm even concerned about the vitamin d supplementation when breast feeding. Have you looked into this Suiren?
Pediatricians and (natural) mothering websites recommend adding Vitamin D. since we just can't get enough from our diet and the sun (nowadays). My body would give all the Vitamin D. to my son, so there would not be much left for me.
When I started supplementing I slowly increased the amount until my skin looked healthy again (before I had many small breakouts and inflammation from not enough Vitamin D., but only since he got older and my milks compositions changed to a more fatty one, I think he just needs more as he gets bigger.)

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Is there some part of your body that you wouldn't mind exposing to the sun even if it did turn it yellow and dark? I know it sounds silly to go out into the sun with makeup on your face and other parts of your body and expose others - but you gotta work with what your reality is. When you get dark you need even more time in the sun of course. That's the big problem for dark-skinned people. They need much more sun to make the same amount of vit d as me. I'm very light-skinned and can burn very easily if I don't work my way up to a base tan slowly.
Most of the time, I only wear sun screen on my face ( and maybe neck or shoulders). I get out my umbrella if I have to be in the sun longer than feels comfortable for me. Like if I feel the burn of the sun, I think my body has had enough. I also read somewhere that a good indicator of when you need a break from the sun is the point where you would tan, since tanning is a defense mechanism of the skin. Not sure if that is true though, but I have kept it this way so I only have a very light tan always.

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Good luck with your vitamin d Suiren. Please do keep me posted if you get your levels checked. It's probably a really good idea with the issues you have had - especially the pre-cancerous cells. You want to make sure your supplementation is working.
True that! Wouldn't want any more problems with it. :/
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #52 on: August 21, 2012, 06:04:27 am »
Hi Suiren,
I've been using Keys Solar RX for a number of years now. I suggest you check it out. I think it's the BEST Sunblock on the market! It's excellent for Problem Skin too! I use it everyday, rain or shine. It's excellent for the skin and it's ALL Natural.

http://www.keys-soap.com/solarrx.html

It sounds good, I like the ingredients too. It is quite similar to the one I am using right now, although mine has more ingredients, mostly oils and extracts, but not chemicals. I searched far and wide for a good sun screen years ago.
I will take a look at the price of the keys moisturizer  ;D sadly many of the better products can be pricey.

http://www.devitaskincare.com/store/solar-protective-moisturizer-spf-30-p-17534.html
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2012, 06:15:19 am »
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Can it just be regular magnesium from like a health food store? I know there is differences in potency for Zinc, so I wonder if it would be the same.

Brian just gets citric magnesium in a low dose and keeps on increasing it until his stools start to get loose. Citric is supposed to be one of the better forms as to how the body uses it. You can google "what's the best form of magnesium" and get lots of info

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Yes, I wonder about the changes too. Maybe it will absorb Vitamin D. better even?
Btw. I know of many eastern Asians like Japanese, that can be very light, but usually don't burn fast and just tan gradually.

I do bet that with the good raw fats and minerals it would get better. It's important not to shower after exposure to sun so that the d has time to be produced and absorbed. I forgot how long. Anyone remember?
Do you have some Asian heritage?

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Yes, those are the ones I was referring to. Unlike a physical sun block, that stays on the outside of the skin, these actually penetrate and cause a reaction that also creates carcinogens.

Yep - those things feel like nasty chemicals going into the body through the skin to me.

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I have tested a few brands and it made me break out. I also was never able to make it look natural since my skin gets really dry from it despite moisturizer. So I ended up looking like a cookie  :P.
I have heard many good things about it though and I like mineral eye shadow. Which is the good brand you are speaking of?

Ha ha - Cookie Brand makeup. ;) I so rarely use it that I've only bought it a couple of times. The first time it was a brand new thing from a specialty catalog. Later - they became the rage and I bought one from a regular store and it was obviously filled with junk. The one I used to buy I couldn't find again. Only a few years ago I bought some from a local lady that would actually make it! I wonder if I will be able to find her again later either. It lasts forever and ever and doesn't go bad because it's just rocks. It very well could just be good for my skin type?

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I hate how the beauty industry makes it seem like you just need product X to fix all your problems. Most products don't work.

I'd go even one step further and say that most products are really bad for you besides not working.

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Pediatricians and (natural) mothering websites recommend adding Vitamin D. since we just can't get enough from our diet and the sun (nowadays). My body would give all the Vitamin D. to my son, so there would not be much left for me.
When I started supplementing I slowly increased the amount until my skin looked healthy again (before I had many small breakouts and inflammation from not enough Vitamin D., but only since he got older and my milks compositions changed to a more fatty one, I think he just needs more as he gets bigger.)

I guess they wouldn't be looking at the minutia of how vitamin d produced in the lab can have other elements - just about vitamin d in general. But, it's such an important hormone for you that any risks have to be outweighed by the importance of getting enough for both of you.

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Most of the time, I only wear sun screen on my face ( and maybe neck or shoulders). I get out my umbrella if I have to be in the sun longer than feels comfortable for me. Like if I feel the burn of the sun, I think my body has had enough. I also read somewhere that a good indicator of when you need a break from the sun is the point where you would tan, since tanning is a defense mechanism of the skin. Not sure if that is true though, but I have kept it this way so I only have a very light tan always.

That does make a lot of sense - but for me that would mean that I could stay outside where I live for a whole 3 minutes before running back inside. ;) My skin type is designed for gleaning every bit of vitamin d I can from the Slavic skies - not for Texas! I want to be able to spend more time outside gardening - but without a good base tan it's dangerous here. A tan here for me is like insurance. I burn so darn easily without a slowly built base and I think burning is not such a good thing. I got a really bad burn last MARCH! I bet for me the downside of sometimes not getting quite enough because of a tan is better than the risk of burning whenever I go outside. My father was hospitalized for burns in New York (which is not exactly intense sun) after 15 minutes at the beach without protection. I take after him.


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2012, 05:23:54 am »
I do bet that with the good raw fats and minerals it would get better. It's important not to shower after exposure to sun so that the d has time to be produced and absorbed. I forgot how long. Anyone remember?
Do you have some Asian heritage?
Oh, interesting...When wash day comes around I usually do it right in the morning or late at night. Not mid-day, so I think my Vitamin D never gets washed off  ;D
And yes, I have Japanese heritage with some Ainu.

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Ha ha - Cookie Brand makeup. ;) I so rarely use it that I've only bought it a couple of times. The first time it was a brand new thing from a specialty catalog. Later - they became the rage and I bought one from a regular store and it was obviously filled with junk. The one I used to buy I couldn't find again. Only a few years ago I bought some from a local lady that would actually make it! I wonder if I will be able to find her again later either. It lasts forever and ever and doesn't go bad because it's just rocks. It very well could just be good for my skin type?
My skin just tends to be flaky when I put something on it and foundation never went on well. I might have also used a not so natural brand of mineral make up? (Everyday minerals).

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I'd go even one step further and say that most products are really bad for you besides not working.
>D I have been preaching that to my family for ages, but I would even go further and say that whoever is behind the chemicals it it, knows about the harm they cause and either does not care or wants it to be this way.

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That does make a lot of sense - but for me that would mean that I could stay outside where I live for a whole 3 minutes before running back inside. ;) My skin type is designed for gleaning every bit of vitamin d I can from the Slavic skies - not for Texas! I want to be able to spend more time outside gardening - but without a good base tan it's dangerous here. A tan here for me is like insurance. I burn so darn easily without a slowly built base and I think burning is not such a good thing. I got a really bad burn last MARCH! I bet for me the downside of sometimes not getting quite enough because of a tan is better than the risk of burning whenever I go outside. My father was hospitalized for burns in New York (which is not exactly intense sun) after 15 minutes at the beach without protection. I take after him.
Oh yeah of course, it is different depending where you live. I have never been to Texas, but I had friends there and it must be VERY hot. I was more referring to Germany or the Mediterranean. In Germany, I don't have to worry about burning unless it gets very hot...further south I need to be more careful, and I found that New York can get pretty hot too. San Diego had the strongest sun and the most sun shine out of any places that I have ever seen. I was praying for rain all day  :P
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2012, 04:12:41 am »
This is a quote from Mercola:

"New evidence shows it takes up to 48 hours before you absorb the majority of the vitamin D that was generated by exposing your skin to the sun!

Therefore, if you shower with soap, you will simply wash away much of the vitamin D3 your skin generated, and decrease the benefits of your sun exposure. So to optimize your vitamin D level, you need to delay washing your body with soap for about two full days after sun exposure.

Now not many people are not going to bathe for two full days.

However you really only need to use soap underneath your arms and your groin area. , so this is not a major hygiene issue. You’ll just want to avoid soaping up the larger areas of your body that were exposed to the sun."

San Diego is freezing weather compared to here Suiren! We were actually thinking of moving there recently to move to a cooler place. ;)


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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2012, 04:37:23 am »
Lol! I thought San Diego was very dry and hot  ;D

Shower and Soap...I have not used soap in ages, anywhere  8) and I shower less often than every two days. I never stank or sweat much before changing my diet even, but now it is just crazy...I guess I shower just to do it now  :P
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2012, 07:15:45 am »
I think the soap is worse but even the water removes - but since you don't shower all that much - no problems there!

For Cherimoya I think though who showers every day this might be part of the vitamin D absorption issue maybe?

Just thought it would be good to post. I sure didn't know that showering within 48 hours washed away the vitamin D!

I've discovered Suiren that weather is all relative!

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2012, 10:52:01 am »
I think the soap is worse but even the water removes - but since you don't shower all that much - no problems there!

For Cherimoya I think though who showers every day this might be part of the vitamin D absorption issue maybe?

Just thought it would be good to post. I sure didn't know that showering within 48 hours washed away the vitamin D!

I've discovered Suiren that weather is all relative!

I shower about once or twice a month. 

Yeah, I wish it was that simple. :)

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2012, 02:48:39 am »
That was bad tracking on my part Cheri - I thought in another thread you had said you showered every day. I must have gotten you confused with someone else. Sorry about that. Yeah - that would have been nice and simple eh?

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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2012, 10:25:55 am »
That was bad tracking on my part Cheri - I thought in another thread you had said you showered every day. I must have gotten you confused with someone else. Sorry about that. Yeah - that would have been nice and simple eh?

Completely off-topic, I would go 2 or 3 months without showering when I was a raw fruitarian.  Now I like to shower at least every month.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2012, 01:49:17 pm »
I shower about once or twice a month. 
I hope you bathe in-between!
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #62 on: August 28, 2012, 04:02:16 am »
I hope you bathe in-between!

I don't need to.  A lack of body odor is genetic in my family.  My mother has no discernable body odor either.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2013, 08:58:41 pm »
Does anyone here supplement with mega doses of vitamin D3? I have now brand soft gel caps, each cap containing 5000 IU. But 5000 IU seems like nothing compared to what the body can synthesise when exposed to sunlight in the summer months. I am considering experimenting with maybe 15000 to 25000 IU per day for a while, if I get no negative symptoms. Can anyone think of a particular reason why I should not supplement at this dosage? Is there anybody that would argue that a dosage higher than 25000 IU would be even better?

I am aware that mega doses of vitamin D (eg. 50,000 IU  three times per week for a month, followed by a 2000 IU per day maintenance dosage) are commonly used by doctors to treat vitamin d deficiency; however, my query concerns people who are not vitamin d deficient.
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #64 on: October 22, 2013, 10:31:59 pm »
Does anyone here supplement with mega doses of vitamin D3? I have now brand soft gel caps, each cap containing 5000 IU. But 5000 IU seems like nothing compared to what the body can synthesise when exposed to sunlight in the summer months. I am considering experimenting with maybe 15000 to 25000 IU per day for a while, if I get no negative symptoms. Can anyone think of a particular reason why I should not supplement at this dosage? Is there anybody that would argue that a dosage higher than 25000 IU would be even better?

I am aware that mega doses of vitamin D (eg. 50,000 IU  three times per week for a month, followed by a 2000 IU per day maintenance dosage) are commonly used by doctors to treat vitamin d deficiency; however, my query concerns people who are not vitamin d deficient.

I have done that in the past.  You just have to see if it works for you or not.  For me personally, as long as I'm eating some carbs/fruit daily, it's pretty much impossible to overdose on vitamin D.  If I'm high-fat/low-carb, it's definitely possible to overdose.

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« Reply #65 on: October 22, 2013, 11:11:03 pm »
I have done that in the past.  You just have to see if it works for you or not.  For me personally, as long as I'm eating some carbs/fruit daily, it's pretty much impossible to overdose on vitamin D.  If I'm high-fat/low-carb, it's definitely possible to overdose.

Thanks for the input. I am high fat/very low-carb, so I will keep an extra careful eye out for negative symptoms, and keep the dosage within reasonable limits.
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« Reply #66 on: October 23, 2013, 12:14:41 am »
Thanks for the input. I am high fat/very low-carb, so I will keep an extra careful eye out for negative symptoms, and keep the dosage within reasonable limits.

One of the most common symptoms of vitamin D overdose is nausea.  If you start to suddenly feel more nauseous than usual, back off for a week or so.

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2013, 12:16:47 pm »
I take a sublingual vit d supplement. i make it a point to take 6000 to 10 000 IU daily.
It's way too important of a vit according to many recent studies and i just cant get enough of it considering my current life style.   

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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2014, 07:26:10 am »
More on Washing Away Vitamin D
www.vitamindcouncil.org/blog/washing-away-vitamin-d/

Cold water bathing would be best for D, then warm,  with all over body soaping worst.
I only use soap on my smelly parts that don't get sun. I now have an old water tank as a plunge pool to get cold therapy and a D safe wash.  Still sunny here so sunbathing now making fresh D :-)

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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2014, 10:43:12 am »
Ive known about this for some time.

I grew up in a culture where children where bathed with soap and water every day, and parents made sure that they were covered head to toe with sunscreen if they were out in the sun.

What I do is put on coconut oil before going out into the sun, and then if I get dirty , just rinse most of my body off with plain water.

There must be ways of sealing in the vitamin D secretions for optimal absorption, although it may not be appealing to everyone.

Coconut oil is my personal favorite, but I wonder about using raw animal fat, or even raw egg yolks. Substances in egg yolk like cholesterol when exposed to sunlight convert into Vitamin D and other proto vitamine compounds which may be very beneficial.
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2014, 06:02:46 am »

 to shower once a month is completely disgusting. this is how diseases and sickness is spread.

Showering is soooo not paleo!
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2014, 05:22:46 pm »
Showering is soooo not paleo!
Not necessarily.  I am sure that palaeo tribesmen would happily go under waterfalls or dip themselves in flowing streams all the time.
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Re: Vitamin D
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2014, 02:41:25 am »
I hear you TD, and agree that traditional bathing in naturally occurring streams and water holes is perfectly paleo.

My bathing bashing must be taken in the context as a response to the belligerent statement made by the pp.

 Showering in the modern sense of the word with hot chlorinated water and astringent soapy substances is not very paleo-esque
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