Yes, but there were some Masai tribes who required their men ages 15-35 to eat nothing but meat, milk, and blood.
Is it documented or is it just another of AV’s fairy tales?
I think the lack of organ meats, and overeating muscle meats, is a serious problem.
It may well be so, but on a strictly carnivorous diet it’s certainly not enough because carnivores also eat the contents of the stomach and intestines of their preys in which they find partly digested plant food.
Oh me poor brain is spinning, trying to understand all this. So if the culprit is the kind of meat rather than the taste of the meat, then it does seem pretty clear that we can't rely on our alliesthetic mechanism alone, but must also consider the kind of meat too, right, such as consciously limit our intake of beef muscle meat regardless of quality?
Yes. Didn’t GCB and I explain several times that we should be careful with domestic animals’ meat just as with modern cultivated fruits? It’s no problem if we eat once a way as much beef as we like, but obviously we shouldn’t do it everyday.
I remember at the castle watching most instinctos living there, including Nicole, eating large quantities of animal protein and also eating ( to me) large amounts of sweet fruit. That for me never has worked. Maybe it's a reduced amount of stomach acid etc... and the dilution of it by eating fruit at the same meal.. Doing so always results in less than ideal digestion, and hence undigested materials going through my colon etc. And then there's blood sugar rises with eating large quantities of meat and fruit. As I have mentioned before, I only watched one or two times people eating good portions of fat along with meat. Although eggs and sea products were also abundant
Yes, I was there several times from 1987 to 1992 and people stayed lengthily at the table for the evening meal. Usually we chose an animal food first, then some vegetables and somewhat latter fruits, preferably a single kind. As a rule, more than one or even two hours elapsed between the meat or fish and fruits, with vegetable in-between. Each meal was a feast.
GCB - thank you so much for coming and explaining things to us. I have to admit though that, like Phil, I am confused and my brain is hurting. Are you saying that even if muscle meat that is grass-fed or wild from pristine spaces smells, feels and tastes good - still - one can eat too much and it could result in cancer? Please excuse me if I'm being a bit dense. I really want to understand this. Is muscle meat not included in the basic instincto principles as I understand them?
No problem with meat of wild animals, or even with a huge amount of beef in a meal or perhaps during a whole week once in a way. The point is that we shouldn’t eat the meat of the same animal kind everyday for long periods of time. Variations are essential.
For example, if we choose to eat deer, mutton or beef one day, there’s no arbitrary limit to the amount we can eat, the limit being set instinctively for each individual at the moment. But if that individual has a choice limited to a single kind of meat (beef , mutton or even deer) for several months or years and eats it everyday, he/she’s likely going into troubles in the long run.
The ideal is to have a broad choice or one that constantly varies, so that for example we can choose instinctively to eat for proteins: wild boar on Monday, hen’s eggs on Tuesday, mackerel on Wednesday, clams on Thursday, ducks eggs on Friday, crab on Saturday, beef on Sunday and… macadamia nuts next Monday!
So they used to eat animal protein and fruit at the same meal? Habitual "bad" food combinations are possibly another important point, gcb, aren´t they? However, I don´t understand exactly why. When I combined my foods poorly I used to get certain unpleasant symptoms even if my digestion was (obviously) fine. Gcb, you once suggested that poor food combining leads to the formation of AGEs and therefore to health problems. But then the consumption, for example, of stored nuts should cause problems too because AGEs do not only form during cooking, but also during storage. Are there "good" AGEs, which don´t cause trouble even if consumed in quantity, and "bad" AGEs which cause problems even in relatively small amounts?
Yes, but it’s much better to let at least 45 minutes or one hour elapse between the meat and vegetables and then again at least 30 minutes between vegetables and fruits, so that the digestive enzymes can break apart the proteins before something else comes in. It’s even better if we can totally avoid to ingest any fruit after a meal including an animal protein stuff.
Concerning AGEs, AFAIK (GCB might correct me if I’m wrong) their production increases exponentially with the temperature. Some are formed at ambient temperature during storage, but it is in insignificant amounts, even if you store nuts for a couple of years.
Hi Iguana, Since when have you eaten "a lot of meat"?
Could you roughly estimate how much meat you eat since then on average?
Ever since I began with instinctive raw paleo nutrition, in January 1987. I eat meat with no preset limit, but not everyday, as explained above. It means that when I eat meat I can eat a lot of it, and the longest is the interval between two meals with meat, the more meat I can eat at once.
As a rough estimate, I would say 30 - 60 kg of meat per year, plus 200 – 500 eggs (when available), plus I don’t know how many kg of shellfish and fish. When I traveled or was residing in tropical places, I ate mostly fish and very little meat because local availability of suitable meats was lacking.
