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Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« on: January 26, 2012, 08:11:45 pm »
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Wow. Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel. Must watch. Americans, what do you think of this proof?
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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2012, 12:45:53 pm »
I think it's verging on pointless anti-Semitism. 

I think an ideal solution would be to have the Jews sell Israel piece-by-piece back to the Arabs, and have them move to the US.  I'd love to have them here.  They are generally intelligent, well-educated, cultured, and scientifically capable.  If we did this in stages over about 20-25 years, it wouldn't be a big logistical problem.

The Holy Land should be neutral ground. As far as the rest of Israel, sell it to the Arabs and bring the Jews here. They'll class the place up.

People forget the Holocaust so quickly.  Guess what allowed/caused the Holocaust?  Casual anti-Semitism that Hitler exploited for his own ends. Casual anti-Semitism is the fertile ground that crazy extremism grows in, whether Nazi, Islamic, or whatever.

Holocaust deniers will be immediately banned, so don't even start.

I agree with a two-state solution, and a gradual return to pre-1967 borders.  I do NOT agree that Israel needs to be wiped off the face of the map, and all Jews killed, unlike the Iranians, etc..

Man, the Jews just get no love from anyone.  Crazy extremists from the liberal AND conservative camps hate them.  They're getting it from all sides. SOMEbody's got to be the voice of moderation.

It is not the place of the Jewish people to take the blame for everything that goes wrong in the world.

And that's what anti-Semitism usually is.  People don't know how or want to fix their own problems, so they blame someone else. 

And Edwin, I don't know why you are even bothering to comment on this.  You can't have many Jews in the Phillippines.  Do you even know any?  Are they over there oppressing your people? ROFL

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2012, 01:00:32 pm »
Well, anti-Zionism is definitely not the same as anti-Semitism, especially given that many prominent Jews are anti-Zionists.

That said, didn't GS or someone else already post the same video with that same character featured in it, in the Ron Paul thread? Seems like beating a dead horse, if so.

As for Israel itself, I would be satisfied if they returned to 1948 borders and removed all those many laws which directly or indirectly discriminate against its Arab  citizens, such as the most recent one banning any Palestinian marrying an Israeli from gaining Israeli citizenship.
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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2012, 02:08:03 pm »
Well, anti-Zionism is definitely not the same as anti-Semitism, especially given that many prominent Jews are anti-Zionists.


Yeah, but the guy in the video is one rabid motherfucking anti-Semite. ROFL

And you're right, that there are plenty of anti-Zionist Jews.  I think the Jews would be safer and better off in the US.  Zionism is only good in theory.  In practice, Jews in the US are safer from terrorist attacks. There's lots of room here, particularly for well-trained, well-educated people.  Maybe people will start listening to me, one of these days.

I really think we'd be better off leaving the Muslims in the Middle East to their own devices.  Move to electric vehicles and other alternatives to oil, move the Jews out of Israel, and let the Arabs rot/starve/whatever.  Maybe they'll stop trying to blow up our planes.

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2012, 04:06:37 pm »
Al-Quaeda only ever wanted a few things, to get the Americans/West to remove their military bases from their Holy Land(Saudi Arabia), to get the West to stop invading Muslim countries and stop dominating them economically, and to expel the Israelis from the Holy Land by any means. The Americans have already kowtowed to the 1st demand.Oh, and Al-Quaeda also is said to want to set up a Muslim Caliphate uniting all Muslims worldwide under one government, but this is not a realistic goal, more to do with nostalgia for earlier times.

The way I see it, if the 1st 2 goals were all fulfilled and the Israelis also evacuated to the US, we would have far, far fewer recruits joining Al-Quaeda or other terrorist groups, and we wouldn't have to be so paranoid re security etc. It's been pointed out that most of these so-called "terrorists" are, anyway, not motivated by Islamic Fundamentalism, incidentally, but by nationalism. No one likes to be invaded or have land stolen from them.

Not so sure the Arabs would "rot" per se if Israel was evacuated. After all, they have a much higher birth-rate than in the West.

Many years ago, I once read a very frightening SF short story. Bruce Sterling is a very good writer and has been cited by many as being a pretty good predicter, in his SF works,  of future social trends in the real world , not just a science fiction writer. In this  short story of his, published in 1989(!), he writes about a future America which has been bankrupted and turned into a 3rd world country as a result of greedy bankers and constant wars started in order to police the world. It also features a resurgent Middle-East/Islam:-

http://www.revolutionsf.com/fiction/weseethings/01.html

Let's hope that Bruce Sterling  was wrong as regards this possible future.
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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2012, 04:23:23 pm »
Excuse me.
Anti semitism is not the point of this thread.
So please drop that.

The point is the exposed subservience of your USA president to the Israel prime minister.
My point of view is I see that kind of subservience from our Philippine presidents to USA presidents.
So man, it's such an eye opener for me to see the USA president subservient to Israel!

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 02:48:21 am »
CK,
When you get a chance read "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy".

This has nothing to do with anti-Semitism or anti-Zionism or the Holocaust..

A girl that I almost married is Jewish. I would have had to have my 'you-know-what' unceremoniously altered if I had've married her. Some of my and my family's friends are Jewish. The Jewish faith has a point of view which is quite fascinating.

Germany was not the only country that gave Jews a hard time. Pretty much every country in the world has been tough on Jews to varying degrees at differing times and for different reasons in the past. Other religious groups and racial groups have had similar experiences through the ages, including Christians.

Having said that, GS and TD are just being factual in saying that it is dangerous for the US to suck up to and pay Israel's way. Currently and for a long time in the past, the US subsidizes Israel to the tune of $500 USD per year, per citizen.

As far as it being a good idea to import Jews into America just to bring up the IQ, I think you really ought to do more research and slip off your blinders. Not all Jews are highly educated or bright. Some are low-life terrorists/bigots/child-murderers/liars. Some are not. Just like every other group of people. In fact in Israel surveys have shown that the vast majority of the residents have a very low opinion of others of different race or ethnicity in their midst.

They have nuclear weapons and have had them for a long time, while they lied about it at first and the US turned a blind eye. They are the first ones to jump up and down when their neighbours who are scared of them, want to get their own nukes.

As far as your comments on treatment of Arabs:  "let the Arabs rot/starve/whatever." it looks like you are really swallowing the kool-aid whole, or else you are Jewish and you are definitely anti-Arabistic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism
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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 04:11:44 am »
Actually, I'm not anti-Arabic.  I'm anti-religion.  I'm no more fond of Christianity than I am Islam.  No Christian has slaughtered 3000 innocent people in the US in the name of religion.  In fact, deadly Christian religious terrorism has mainly been limited to Eric Robert Rudolph.   I'm under no illusion that Christians are somehow better than Muslims, but, at this point in history, Arab Muslims are far more likely to support and condone terrorism, as well as become terrorists.  It's statistical fact.

700 years ago it was the reverse.  Christians were the violent, ignorant ones, and Muslims were the tolerant, educated ones. It's not that way now, though.

I never said all Jews are educated or bright.  However, on average, they are the most educated, (arguably) the most intelligent, and definitely the most financially successful minority in the US. 

One more thing--no Jew has ever committed a deadly terrorist act on American soil in the name of religion.

The Jews gave us Einstein.  The Arabs gave us bin Laden.


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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 05:19:17 am »
One more thing--no Jew has ever committed a deadly terrorist act on American soil in the name of religion.
  I thought this claim to be highly unlikely since, for example, the State of Israel came into being as a result of Jewish terrorist organisations like the Stern Gang which bombed British targets in Palestine etc - here's a link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism
 A cursory Googling finds that Jews have indeed carried out terrorist acts within the United States:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League
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The Jews gave us Einstein.  The Arabs gave us bin Laden.
  One can just as easily turn this around and cynically state that "The Jews gave us Karl Marx. The Arabs gave us Ibn Khaldun." Karl Marx's indirect contribution to mass-murder in the 20th century via Communism/Socialism makes bin Laden seem like a wuss, by comparison. If necessary, I can come up with endless other Jewish and Arab individuals who represent either the best or the worst of Mankind, sometimes some such individuals even represent both the best and the worst of Mankind in themselves. The point being that all human groups have "good" and "bad" people in them, with most people being somewhere inbetween.

Anyway, the subject of Zionism was already discussed ad nauseam in the Ron Paul thread. Not sure it's all that relevant to resurrect it here.  Well, then again, there is the recent warmongering and sanctions in the EU, Israel and the US against Iran for its nuclear ambitions which is leading up to yet another sharp rise in oil-prices and thus impoverishing EU-members in Spain, Italy and Greece in particular since they rely on Iranian oil a lot. The West appears to be its worst enemy. Rising world oil-prices also inevitably lead to rising world food-prices, so rawpalaeos should take note.....

On a  humorous side-note, Avigdor Lieberman recently suggested that Israel might eventually become part of the EU. Since admission to the EU requires a hefty obeying of endless common human rights laws, I would be most in favour, but I reckon Israel has about as much chance as Turkey of ever joining that organisation.

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 10:16:41 am »
Turkey might join.  Maybe.  Israel never will.

As far as terrorist attacks, none of those were on US soil, in that article.

I'm not saying Jews don't commit terrorism, I know a few have.  None have ever flown any planes into buildings in my country, though, and I don't think they ever will.

Karl Marx's work simply was the seed that grew in fertile ground.  People were tired of being oppressed. Let's not give him credit for other people's acts, good or bad.  He's not God, god, or anything other than a man.

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2012, 10:47:21 am »
Turkey is currently an associate member of the EU and will be a full member some day , which they would be better off not joining unless the Germans can bring some financial discipline to the organization. If Turkey were a full member of the EU, it would have one of the most solid budgets of the member nations:
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"Turkey has posted a first half surplus of 2.9 billion liras, a 41 year record." 7/15/2011,
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/default.aspx?pageid=438&n=turkish-budget-enjoys-historic-first-half-surplus-2011-07-15

Hey, this brother Nathaniel dude is a heck of a dancer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaQ9dFF2FDs&feature=player_embedded#!

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2012, 01:42:35 pm »

As far as terrorist attacks, none of those were on US soil, in that article.
  The 2nd link I gave on the Jewish Defense League does, however, illustrate examples of  attacks on US soil.

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Karl Marx's work simply was the seed that grew in fertile ground.  People were tired of being oppressed. Let's not give him credit for other people's acts, good or bad.  He's not God, god, or anything other than a man.
Sorry, but without him, there would have been no Communism. His ideas directly led to social engineering which killed off millions, and his writings inspired butchers everywhere. Besides, like I said before, there are so many good or bad examples from both sides(or any other side, for that matter). Fritz Haber, the German Jew who invented poison gas is another example of evil, and so on. His wife committed suicide after that invention, I think(?), because she couldn't bear to be associated with him. So, generalisations are always dangerous re groups.

Turkey would be better off aligning itself economically with Iran, Syria and other nearby countries to the East. Didn't know re their budget, though.

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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 08:33:18 pm »
Obama's Unshakable Bondage To Bibi

Wow. Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel. Must watch. Americans, what do you think of this proof?

The United States gov't's stupid, goofball commitment to Israel has cost the American people at least $2 trillion: http://www.unintimidatedpress.com/twotrillion.htm

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« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2012, 03:45:42 am »
Al-Quaeda only ever wanted a few things, to get the Americans/West to remove their military bases from their Holy Land(Saudi Arabia), to get the West to stop invading Muslim countries and stop dominating them economically, and to expel the Israelis from the Holy Land by any means. The Americans have already kowtowed to the 1st demand.Oh, and Al-Quaeda also is said to want to set up a Muslim Caliphate uniting all Muslims worldwide under one government, but this is not a realistic goal, more to do with nostalgia for earlier times.

I have studied the preaching of Salafism (a branch of Islam followed by al-Qaida too).

I have also studied Taliban ideology.

I could assure you:

- Nothing is going to stop them. Their aim is not Israel, but Domination of whole world and impose the SHARIA (i.e. Islamic  Law).

- Usurption of lands by Israel may started this extremism, but now this is irrelevant. Even if Israel is removed from the map, still this DREAM of forcefully imposing Sharia is not going to go away.

They believe that Prophet Muhammad and then Umar Ibn al-Khattab (the 2nd Caliph)  attacked the infidels & Christian lands and occupied them and forced the Islamic Law. They believe it is compulsory upon them (religious duty) to follow this practice.

Unfortunately, the numbers of these Extremists is increasing (very rapidly) and numbers of moderate Muslims is decreasing.

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« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2012, 04:46:18 am »
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I could assure you:

- Nothing is going to stop them. Their aim is not Israel, but Domination of whole world and impose the SHARIA

.50 cal is sure bet.  works most of the time.

their ideology is not going going anywhere outside of Afghanistan/Pakistan.
Good example is south Russia - Chechen region and surrounding areas.  their sharia ambitions have been virtually wiped out.

Second, Iran will not cooperate with them (only in very small circumstances where they may have small common goals, but generally no).  Saudis will not give up their influence to them nor won't share with them.  Turkey is not willing to share the influence as well.  India and China (China especially) won't allow that as well.
There will be small pockets outside of Afghanistan/Pakistan but generally it'll be very confined.

Domination of whole world is an absurdity that can't be taken seriously.  I'll start believing in it when Saudis and Iranian Ayatollahs start kissing each other butts.  In other words, never going to happen.

on another note can anyone explain why US resumed giving military aid to Egypt after they imprisoned human rights group?

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Unfortunately, the numbers of these Extremists is increasing (very rapidly) and numbers of moderate Muslims is decreasing.

Why is this happening?
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2012, 07:04:53 am »
regarding Brother Kapfner: he is not against JEWS but against TALMUDISM which is the core of the so-called "jewish" ideology. Those who subscribe to this ideology range from blacks like samy davis jr. to queen elizabeth 2 and the royal family. Most people who self-describe as "Jews" are Khazars, a turcic-mongol racial strain otherwise known as Ashkenazim.They constitute 80% of the so-called JEWS. THEIR mission is world zionism or the formation of a one-state with themselves as the "man-gods" of the earth. Muslims are no threat to anyone but the media which is controlled by these khazars has created this impression n peopls minds to fulfill the prophecy of Albert Pike(former head of American Freemaonry) that 3 world wars will be created and the last will be a religious war between muslims and christians who will destroy one another and in the aftermath a "new world order" will be created with "jews"(those who self-describe as such) and freemasons as the rulers of the earth. Sound crazy? do your research:
Jeff Rense(Rense radio)
Michael Collins Piper(the Piper report)
Texxe Marrs(Power of Prophecy)
Nathanial Kapfner(rea zionist news)......

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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2012, 07:53:04 am »
Tukic and Mongol peoples are good peoples with fascinating cultures that have interesting similarities to my own ancestral mostly-Celtic culture. So if some "Jews" are Turkic-Mongols, that is good and reason for praise, not disparagement. Most Turks, Mongols and Europeans apparently descend from the same ancient proto-Eurasian stock thousands of years ago in areas around and including where the Khazars allegedly originated from.

Supposed Khazar homeland:


Notice that the R haplogroup, one of the most common throughout Europe, migrated through and around the believed Khazar homeland. Even if the genes were not close, the cultures may have been similar, having migrated through and settled in the same general region.
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2012, 10:41:17 am »
I think it's verging on pointless anti-Semitism. 
 
Nobody said a single word against Arabs. Aren't they Semites?  ;) So, how  could this video be anti-Semitic? 
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« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2012, 11:19:49 am »
I wasn't dissing turks or mongols, etc. I was attempting to dispel(ala arthur koestler in "the 13th tribe") the myth of the "Jewish People" as a distinct and identifiable race. I don't believe they are but many self-identify as such.
I also heard that "semites" aren't a race but a linguistic group? Any one know about this? I recall Bassar al assad's statement when stigmatized as "anti-semitic" that the Syrian's were semites! It is not an actual race which underlies talmudism but a racist ideology(which IS "talmudism"). I'm sure many ashkenazim are not talmudists such as brother nathanial kapfner.

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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2012, 11:32:13 am »
I wasn't dissing turks or mongols, etc.

Here are the bits you said about the Turkic Khazars that seem negative:
THEIR mission is world zionism or the formation of a one-state with themselves as the "man-gods" of the earth. ... the media which is controlled by these khazars has created this impression n peopls minds to fulfill the prophecy of Albert Pike(former head of American Freemaonry) that 3 world wars will be created and the last will be a religious war between muslims and christians who will destroy one another and in the aftermath a "new world order" will be created with "jews"(those who self-describe as such) and freemasons as the rulers of the earth. ....
If this isn't dissing these Turkic Khazars, then what is?

If they are Khazars, then they are a distinct Turkic people and to me that's a selling point. I don't know why you paired that with negative talk. If they are Khazars then I am more interested in friendly relations with them, not less so--especially if they should some day embrace their Turkic heritage and culture. Perhaps some of it has survived to this day, as with most peoples?

Turks were once all Shamanic and most had horses (or camels). Some became Jews, some Muslims, some Christians and some Buddhists and many lost their horses. Who knows, maybe some day they will return to their old Shamanic religion and get their horses back?
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 06:08:09 pm »
.50 cal is sure bet.  works most of the time.

their ideology is not going going anywhere outside of Afghanistan/Pakistan.
Good example is south Russia - Chechen region and surrounding areas.  their sharia ambitions have been virtually wiped out.

Second, Iran will not cooperate with them (only in very small circumstances where they may have small common goals, but generally no).  Saudis will not give up their influence to them nor won't share with them.  Turkey is not willing to share the influence as well.  India and China (China especially) won't allow that as well.
There will be small pockets outside of Afghanistan/Pakistan but generally it'll be very confined.

Firstly, I would suggest to not to watch the countries  Saudia, Turky & Iran, but to concentrate upon the DRIVING FORCES behind these 3 countries.

- Saudia .......  Driving Force is "Salafism"
- Turkey ........ Driving Force is "Sunni Islam" 
- Iran ............. Driving Force is "Shia Islam"

Historically there were only 2 branches of Islam (Shia & Sunni), while Salafist came as sub branch of Sunnism.

Problem is this that "Sunni Majority" in Every Country (world wide) is changing towards Salafism at rapid pace.

25-30 years ago, Majority of Pakistanies and Afghanies were also Sunni Muslims. But not any more.

In all Arab countries too, majority is perhaps still Sunnies, but within 5-10 years they will Salafi majority.

And it is not only Pakistan/Afghanistan, but look at the ARAB Spring. This Arab Spring has brought Salafies into power. Even Egypt (the center of Sunni Islam) now has 25% seats of Salafists in the Parliament, and Egyptian population is turning towards Salafism very rapidly too.

Didn't you see the images of al-Qaida at many Government Houses in post Qaddafi Libya?

In Syria too, the opposition which is fighting, they are controlled by the Salafists.

In brief, very soon, all the Arab countries will have a thing which is described as "Islamic Revolution" by them.

Just imagine, at moment there is only IRAN  with Islamic Revolution. But what happens if all Arab countries + Turkey + Pakistan and other few will get the al-Qaida type Revolutionary Governments?


Divide among the Salafists

In theory, Center of Salafism is Kingdom of Saudia.

But there population is slowly becoming Jihaadist (like al-Qaida and follower of Bin Laden).

Both these groups have slightly internal problems. But these problems are only minor ones. Sooner or later, they will be one as their intense hate towards other sects & religions is common, and their desire of imposing Sharia is common too.


Turkey & Iran are not so much Extremists

While majority of population of Turkey is Sunni, and also they follow Secularism (at least their Army), therefore, they are not Extremists.  Unfortunately, there is again a rapid change towards Salafism in Turkish population too.

Iran follows the Shia branch of Islam. There population is not turning towards Salafism.

Although in Western world, it is common conception that Iran is an "Extremist" state, but it is not 100% true.

There may be some fields where Iranian Mullahs are showing Extremism (like compelling women to wear Hijab), but all in all, they are progressive and much more open to the world.

Iran is giving rights to their minorities like Christians & Jews. But you could forget about rights of Minorities in Salafi dominated societies.

Do you remember Taliban where they destructed the statues of Buddah & compelled the Hindu Population of Afghanistan to wear ONLY the Yellow/Chrom colour Dresses, so that they could be easily recognized every where and humiliated.

Initially many Muslims condemned Taliban for it. But Taliban replied that it was Umar Ibn al-Khattab (the 2nd Caliph of Prophet Muhammad) who also did the same when he conquered the Christian land. And practices of Umar Ibn al-Khattab are taken as part of Religion in both Salafi and Sunni Islam. Therefore, I have seen all those Muslims (who initially condemned this act), later agreeing with Taliban after this argument.


Spread of Islam (in eyes of 3 branches of Muslims)

- Sunnies claim: Islam was spread through "PREACHING". Same is about Shias.

- al-Qaida/Taliban claim:  Islam was spread through "Sword" as Umar Ibn al-Khattab captured the neighboring lands and imposed Islamic Sharia.


Conclusion:

It is like a time bomb which is ticking. With present Ideology which is followed by Salafies, there will be a conflict and clash sooner or later.

Minorites and other sects will either be slaughtered, or humiliated or compelled to change their religion. This slaughtering of Christians/Hindus/Shias has already been started in Pakistan and other Muslim countries. With time it will only increase. Also remember that al-Qaida has killed several hundred thousands of Shias in suicide attacks in Iraq. And trend is clearly showing many folds increase in it.
 
There is ZERO percent tolerance towards other religions/cultures.

We will start watching this real face once these people start getting the power, while they will start implementing their ideology only after coming to power.

Regarding Iran:

Many Shia people of Iran have already questioning the Mullahs why Iran is siding with Palestine (remember that Hamas is a Salafi Jihaadi Organization and recently they have also turned severely against Iran upon the Syria Issue).
Iran has no direct Issues and problems with the WEST. Mostly, it is only due to the Palestine that this enmity is taking place between Iran and the WEST. Hizbullah and Hamas also don't have good relations now. If Syrian President Basharatul Asad survives, then he will also not be against Israel any more, but he will be more careful about the Opposition which consists of Salafies.

Therefore, no body knows exactly, but it is possible that in future one would see Iran/Iraq/Rest of Sunni Muslims/Secular Muslims  standing in the lanes of Western countries against Salafism.


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Domination of whole world is an absurdity that can't be taken seriously.  I'll start believing in it when Saudis and Iranian Ayatollahs start kissing each other butts.  In other words, never going to happen.

Yes, it is true that practically it is hard to dominate the world when you also lack the modern technology (i.e. Taliban) and knowledge.

Any how, still there will be a clash, there will be great loss of human life. In Chechen region, they failed, but still it resulted in killings of several thousands of people.

Now what is going to happen in case of clash with whole Salafi World? The result will be many times deadlier and bloodier as compared to Chechan.
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Re: Total proof that USA is a lapdog of Israel
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 06:55:32 pm »
Why is this happening (i.e. why Muslims are turning towards Salafi Islam)?

Firstly, once again, this change towards Salafism is not found in Shia Muslims. Mainly it is Sunni population, which is turning towards Salafism.

There are many reasons for this change.

1. Sunni Traditional Islam VS Salafi Political Islam

Basically Sunni Muslims always followed a Traditions version of religion. But then came Salafies with Political Islam and Jihaad concept. This Jihaad concept attracted a lot of Sunnies.
There is a lot of hatred against CIA and Israel even among normal Muslims (either they are Sunni or Secular Sunni).
Salafies cashed this hatred and they were attracted towards Salafies in name of Jihaad and resistance against the Israel/CIA.

2. Corruption in Muslim Governments

In last decades, the Leaders of almost all Muslim countries were Secular Sunnies. But none of them was a true leader. All these governments were corrupt, they were at mercy of CIA politically. Their economies were weak and hostage at hands of IMF.

So normal people are not satisfied with present system. They are looking for an alternative. And Salafies are promising them "Islamic Caliphate System" as an alternative to the present system and the so called "Evil Western System".

Again this factor is causing a lot of conversion. More are the economic difficulties, more will be the hatred and more of the people will turn towards the alternative "Caliphate System".

3. Saudia (the center of Islam) is Salafi itself

Another big factor is this that Saudia is the center of Islam, and they are themselves Salafies.
More problem occurs while Saudia is a Rich Country. It give a lot of aid to other poor Muslim countries and therefore it has a lot of influence upon all other Muslim Countries. They are also pouring a lot of money in form of thousands of Madrassas (religious schools) and Islamic Universities.

There are many more factors, but these are the main ones.

In my opinion, Sunni world is very non-organized, they have no central leadership, they are not united and thus they have no chance to compete against the Salafies.







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« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2012, 12:56:58 am »
nice review.  i have a little more optimistic view.  i think islamic radicalism will be contained.  once NATO is out of Afghanistan and Taliban takes over it'll be a recluse similar to North Korea.  not to that extreme but somewhat similar.  powerful neighbors such as China will never allow proliferation.

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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 05:44:00 am »
Firstly, I would suggest to not to watch the countries  Saudia, Turky & Iran, but to concentrate upon the DRIVING FORCES behind these 3 countries.

- Saudia .......  Driving Force is "Salafism"
Turkey ........ Driving Force is "Sunni Islam"
Iran ............. Driving Force is "Shia Islam"
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Turkey & Iran are not so much Extremists

While majority of population of Turkey is Sunni, and also they follow Secularism (at least their Army), therefore, they are not Extremists.  Unfortunately, there is again a rapid change towards Salafism in Turkish population too.

Iran follows the Shia branch of Islam. There population is not turning towards Salafism. ….
I think you're more on target with the second half of your analysis. I'm not convinced that the real underlying driving force of Turkey is Sunni Islam, though it is A force. Islam is an Arab religion foreign to both Turks and Persians. If the tensions between the West and Islam subside, then I believe the Turks and Persians will eventually further develop their own more moderate versions of Islam or largely abandon it. One cannot understand these peoples solely through the Prism of Arab Islam. Especially in Turkey, where the secular and often anti-Islamic segment is strong willed and still somewhat powerful, though a numerical minority. Unfortunately, the West isn't helping them with these endless wars in Islamic states.

Fervent forms of religion are often largely nationalism/tribalism with religious overtones. Once the perceived threats to the state or the people subside, the fervent religion often calms down. Take Ireland as an example. When the Troubles were active and anger and hatred at high pitch, people behaved in fervently religious ways. Now that the Troubles are largely subsided, active religion is in decline and secularism is on the rise. Not long ago, Ireland had a surplus of priests and sent them as missionaries all around the world. Now they don't have enough for their own country and have to import missionaries from Africa.
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