Supplementing; what do u recommend?

[cherimoya_kid]

Some folks talk about separating the yolks out being natural, but if you've seen wild eggs you know that many of them are quite tiny. I find it hard to believe that our primate pre-human, proto-human and early human ancestors would have spent time separating the yolks from the whites of wee eggs, especially before the invention of wooden bowls and cups, and I've never witnessed that with any egg of any size in any video or write-up of hunter-gatherer peoples I've seen. If it were standard practice, then surely we'd have seen at least one example by now.

My cat would carefully lick out the yolk and leave the white, if I cracked a raw egg into a bowl for her.

[Dorothy]

Duke - My chickens over the four years I had them never molted and stopped laying like chickens are supposed to and they kept on laying at their full capacity (like a one or two year old chicken) all the way through that horrible drought even. It was precisely when I stopped putting the whey into their feed (because I was putting my dog out with them and she would eat their food and also to experiment if I could have less waste) and when the weather became milder and rains came that they lost their feathers, looked like shit and unhealthy and stopped laying entirely. It was a direct correlation and proved because - TWO DAYS after starting the whey again they started laying again - it took just about as long as it takes to make an egg.

Phil, an old time chicken guy who I just bought three more chickens from told me that on the farms old carcasses were left for the chickens and the chickens foraged mostly for bugs. My next experiment is raising well-fed insects for my chickens and replacing the whey with the bugs to see what happens. I have crickets and mealworms now and am making a black soldier fly maggot composter. Another point in all this is that my chickens are mutants. They put out more eggs than any wild animal ever could or should. I imagine that it would have to take TONS of nutrition to keep up with such production when the egg is a powerhouse of nutrition in itself. Wild birds don't need whey - but my old hens might. In the wild humans also don't necessarily want muscles the size of tree trunks either.

And as far as the size of the egg - yeppers - right there too! The eggs I get from my chickens are bigger than most other eggs except those ostrich eggs and turtles eggs etc. Most bird eggs are tiny. I got some quail eggs once and there was no way possible to separate the yolk from that white.

Van - yes - my whey probably is very different from the powdered stuff - even if it's just because it is fermented and filled with probiotics and hydrating.

Cherimoya, my dogs won't eat the egg whites either..... but I have unfertilized eggs. Do you give your cats fertilized or unfertilized eggs?

Duke, when you say that the biotin in the yolk won't counteract - did you find this from experiments using fertilized eggs or unfertilized eggs?

[PaleoPhil]

My cat would carefully lick out the yolk and leave the white, if I cracked a raw egg into a bowl for her.

It is an interesting example, thanks, and it's an intriguing question, but a better clue for Paleolithic human behavior would be wild primates, so I looked into it and did find a report and an example of yolk-favoring primates, though also a couple primates that appear to enjoy the white as well:

Monkey eating eggThis monkey eats the white and yolk, although rather sloppily, but one of the commentators says the other monkeys only eat the white when they're "really hungry."

Monkey eats a raw eggThis monkey also appears to be eating both the white and yolk, even though rather adept at the process, and enjoying it quite a bit, though some of the white did still spill out.

A monkey eating a raw egg in BaliThis monkey favors the yolk, though perhaps in part because he dumped the egg contents and the white washed away, but he still could have licked the remnant of the white if he had wanted to.

I don't have a lot of accumulated evidence yet, but it's looking like yolks are definitely favored (no surprise there given general human preference for yolks, including my own), and whites are sometimes or often discarded, but not always. My guess is that the yolks of quail-size eggs and smaller would be less frequently discarded, except for spillage, and maybe fertilized egg whites would also be discarded less often? Maybe the whites consumed in these videos were fertilized? It seems more plausible that the white-eating monkeys were just hungrier or less well acquainted or adept with eggs. Overall, I guess if these wild behavior examples were to suggest optimal behavior, then that would suggest that it would make sense to eat mostly yolks but sometimes also whites. I do discard some chicken-egg whites as it is (mainly unfertilized whites), but eat most of them. Maybe I'll try discarding more of them for potentially better optimization. It's looking to me like there's probably more egg-white-discarding in the wild than I guessed, including much of it accidental.

Cooked egg whites are even less appealing to me than raw whites--too bland and boring and too much fuss to bother with, though maybe I could liven them up with honey. I actually like duck egg whites and would prefer not to discard any of those and wonder if wild monkeys would eat those more frequently than other whites. I also wonder why they taste better to me than chicken egg whites. Anyone have any idea?

This raises another interesting question: does the casual discarding of whey-rich whites by some primates and a cat, and the lack of whey products in the wild, suggest that whey protein powder is not the superfood it's made out to be? Of course, it's all speculation at this point without more evidence and analysis, but it's fun to ask science-related questions, investigate and learn.

[goodsamaritan]

Re egg yolks and egg whites.
I think it is instinctive balancing.
I myself sometimes feel like eating the entire egg, or sometimes just the yolk, or sometimes the yolk and part of the white.

[cherimoya_kid]

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Cherimoya, my dogs won't eat the egg whites either..... but I have unfertilized eggs. Do you give your cats fertilized or unfertilized eggs?

She died several years ago, but they were unfertilized, as far as I know.

[Dorothy]

Thanks Phil for going through the trouble to find those videos. The second one was particularly cute (I know it was for science - but still )

GS - I figured out why your eggs go back quicker - they are fertilized right? Fertilized eggs go bad much faster they say. Maybe that's why sometimes you want the whites?

Duck eggs are more often fertilized me thinks Phil.

Cheri - I wonder if my dogs and your cat would eat the whites if they were fertilized? Now I'm itchin' to do that experiment.

[PaleoPhil]

Thanks Phil for going through the trouble to find those videos. The second one was particularly cute (I know it was for science - but still )

You're welcome, Dorothy. Yeah, I love that cute ol' chimp in the 2nd video.

Duck eggs are more often fertilized me thinks Phil.

Interesting. Even though the package doesn't say "fertile" like the fertile chicken eggs cartons?

[cherimoya_kid]

Cheri - I wonder if my dogs and your cat would eat the whites if they were fertilized? Now I'm itchin' to do that experiment.

Keep us posted if you do the experiment.

I'm entertained that your dogs are so much pickier than mine was.  Mine was a shit-eating dog, she loved to eat poop.  Will your dogs eat poop, or are they the more proper sort?  ROFL

[Dorothy]

Keep us posted if you do the experiment.

I'm entertained that your dogs are so much pickier than mine was.  Mine was a shit-eating dog, she loved to eat poop.  Will your dogs eat poop, or are they the more proper sort?  ROFL

I used to have a real problem with my beagle with cancer going outside and finding every single bit of chicken poop she could find, eating it and then coming inside to throw up and have diarrhea. Then I started fermenting her Slankers pet food (the other two dogs don't like it fermented - but she loves it more than the fresh) and no more chicken poop eating!

I think dogs eat poop to get bacteria that they need. They seem to be designed to get some high meat in their diets.

So, I guess now that I feed "rotten" meat I have pickier pooches.

[Dorothy]

Interesting. Even though the package doesn't say "fertile" like the fertile chicken eggs cartons?

Chickens can endure much more difficult conditions than ducks can. A duck must have water to submerge it's bill or it can't eat. A lot of duck egg producers raise their ducks where there is a big body of water out in the open. A drake will protect the females and drakes are not aggressive like roosters can be. It's easier to have some quiet drakes in the mix than it is to have roosters in your hen house. Hens can tolerate closed in houses where they are not in danger from above (hawks) but ducks make such a mess with the water in such conditions. The more practical way to raise ducks is to do it more humanely and naturally - otherwise there would be duck eggs as cheap as chicken eggs in every store.

I wonder what conditions it takes to label an egg "fertilized". Just because a hen is with a rooster doesn't mean that the hen is liked by the rooster. Roosters tend to have favorite hens. If you have one drake for lots of ducks some of the eggs will be fertilized, but certainly not all of them. I wonder if there are any regulations or like with so many things they can say whatever they think you want to hear on the label.   

[Duke]

Monkeys eat almost everything. Two days ago, i was feeding a group of monkeys biscuits and baguette and they ate it all. I dont think that the diet habits of the monkeys are better than that of humans who live a healthy life style.

[cherimoya_kid]

I used to have a real problem with my beagle with cancer going outside and finding every single bit of chicken poop she could find, eating it and then coming inside to throw up and have diarrhea. Then I started fermenting her Slankers pet food (the other two dogs don't like it fermented - but she loves it more than the fresh) and no more chicken poop eating!

I think dogs eat poop to get bacteria that they need. They seem to be designed to get some high meat in their diets.

An interesting point. 

[HIT_it_RAW]

in the wild canines bury part of their meat to dig it up later to eat. soil microbes will invest the meat. basicly its canine high meat.

[jessica]

just a note my chickens totally devoured all the blood and whatever little gut parts they could as they were out when we slaughtered the pigs, i made sure to shovel all the weird gelatenous left overs onto some grainy hay for them...they will always eat eggs if they get damaged(fall from a nesting basket, etc....) and i think they make the best eggs this way, with a lot of fats and nutrients from all kinds of naturally occurring sources.........i have some ducks that are laying but i have to have the time to observe them daily as they have this huge pond with all kinds of grasses and bushes and i have to figure out where they go and then kinda follow them about around laying time to be sure i snatch the eggs before the dogs do

[Shih]

I am using Reliv as my supplement, and it is very good. If you want to know my results in taking it, you may email me.

[Duke]

Just found out that eating before 2 hours of exercise and probably after inhibits the release of HGH and that it's better to exercise on an empty stomach or at least eat something light and not fatty which can be digested easily not less than two hours of exercising.

[Dorothy]

just a note my chickens totally devoured all the blood and whatever little gut parts they could as they were out when we slaughtered the pigs, i made sure to shovel all the weird gelatenous left overs onto some grainy hay for them...they will always eat eggs if they get damaged(fall from a nesting basket, etc....) and i think they make the best eggs this way, with a lot of fats and nutrients from all kinds of naturally occurring sources.........

Chickens seem to me to be more in love with raw meat than dogs or cats! I feed my chickens slankers pet food as well as my animals it was "designed" for. You've never seen anything like it in your life - they go insane. Even my new little pullets (older chicks) after the first bites went psycho. I can't even describe it. It's more intense than when I feed them bugs. I can't put down the bowl because I'd be afraid for my fingers and they will jump at me so I have to throw it in all directions and you never saw chickens move so fast. I'm convinced that the only reason that chickens stop laying eggs is that they are not fed enough protein and minerals to continue to make them. My oldest chickens are going on 5 years old now and make just as many as the new hens and just as many egg as when they were young. Eggs from chickens not given enough raw protein and minerals simply can't be as good for you - I just can't imagine it. The eggs my chickens produce taste and feel different than any other eggs I've ever tasted - because I supplement their diet - but not with standard "chicken food".

Dogs and cats don't have to pump out "the perfect protein" almost every day - there's just no comparison. Chickens make dogs and cats look vegetarians.

Jessica I'm not sure you have to shovel anything - they don't need the hay - and the better they can see the meat the more they will go after it. If you leave the spine and all the small parts chickens will pick it clean faster than you could imagine. Good for you feeding your chickens right - I'm amazed at how badly chickens are usually fed, even by people that seem like they would be more knowledgeable.

[LePatron7]

For increasing glutathione perhaps the best way is to balance the gut flora.

http://www.microbialinfluence.com/glutathione.html

Eliminate tough to digest foods (cooked meats, complex carbs), and up high meat.

I know people on SCD follow the diet strictly, they never cheat. Once you get used to not eating out, or eating at social meals its pretty simple.

The reason being that every cheat meal feeds bad bacteria.

I think its possible to have super natural detoxification, high glutathione levels, and possiibly even resistance to HIV and other STDs by having the right gut flora.