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Your take on Velvet Antler
« on: February 28, 2012, 02:11:45 pm »
I have already started reading on Velvet Antler and i am finding some interesting information that i actually thought i would share with you. I would also like to learn from your experiences with such a product / substance in case you've tried it. Is it a scam or is it for real. So far i have only watched Vitalis's Videos and read about it in one source (http://www.vitaminexpress.com/article.php/nID/18) but it might be because they sell antler products:


Bone and Joint Health

Osteoarthritis is caused by the loss of cartilage in bone joints. In normal joints, cartilage serves as a buffer between bones. Usually the body replenishes cartilage as it wears away, but when osteoarthritis occurs, cartilage deteriorates faster than the body can replace it. Eventually, the bones begin to rub together, causing pain, swelling and loss of joint mobility.

Most treatments for osteoarthritis attempt to reduce pain and maintain joint function, but these treatments do little to restore joint health. In fact, many prescription and over-the-counter non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs actually prevent the growth of collagen in joints, causing further cartilage degeneration.

These drugs can also produce other serious side effects such as deterioration of the gastrointestinal tract lining, and liver and kidney damage.

Researchers believe that the imbalance between cartilage erosion and regeneration in osteoarthritis suffers is caused by a lack of glycosaminoglycans. Glycosaminoglycans play a vital role in the structural integrity of cartilage.

Several studies indicate that velvet antler can reduce or even eliminate symptoms associated with osteoarthritis. Recent clinical tests suggest oral ingestion of glycosaminoglycan-peptide complex, or components such as chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine sulfate — both found in velvet antler — may help stimulate cartilage repair. Placebo-controlled double-masked studies of both humans and animals on the therapeutic effects of glycosaminoglycan-peptide complex appear to confirm these investigations. Researchers are now studying how these apparent effects occur.

Chondroitin sulfate, the most abundant glycosaminoglycan found in velvet antler, is used in surgery to stabilize tissue. Several studies on humans indicate regular oral ingestion of chondroitin sulfate can significantly reduce the symptoms associated with osteoarthritis. The compound appears to inhibit enzymes that deplete cartilage nutrition. Chondroitin sulfate molecules are long chains of sugars and sulfur that create tiny spaces filled with fluid. These spaces protect and cushion joints.

Randomized studies of glucosamine indicate the compound not only inhibits cartilage degradation but also helps repair damaged cartilage. An eight-week double-blind trial of glucosamine on 40 osteoarthritis sufferers found that the compound had significantly longer-lasting benefits than the commonly prescribed pain killer ibuprofen.. Other studies indicate that the effects appear to continue as long as six to 12 weeks after subjects stop taking glucosamine.

Additional research is now under way at the University of Calgary and the University of Alberta (Edmonton), Canada, to determine the efficacy of antler on rheumatoid arthritis. Previous studies have already suggested that the cartilage compounds found in antler may be effective at relieving rheumatoid arthritis pain.


Growth and Strength Enhancement


Elk antler grows as much as 50 pounds in less than a few months, making it the fastest-developing animal organism in the world.

This rapid development is caused by antler’s high content of bone morphogenetic proteins, which regulate bone growth, as well as growth factors I and II. These growth factors increase the rate of cell division during antler development, and may contribute to the medicinal effects of velvet antler. In addition, velvet antler contains amino acids that have been proven in studies to increase growth hormone levels in humans.

A study conducted by Suttie and Haines found that animals fed high levels of active antler velvet extract grew significantly faster and as much as 12 percent more than a control group. The animals also experienced increased liver weight and a higher bone calcium content. In addition, the researchers found that antler appeared to decrease calcium excretion. In another study by Takikawa, et al., researchers reported observing new bone formation following experimental whiplash injuries in rabbits.

Perhaps the most well-publicized study of antler’s strength and muscle-enhancing attributes involved a blind trial of New Zealand athletes. Volunteers were divided into two groups, with height, weight and age closely balanced.

The first group received 70 mg of velvet antler extract per day for 10 weeks, while a control group received a placebo. Subjects underwent moderate flex and weight training, and were tested twice during the 10-week period and once following the 10 weeks. The athletes were also scanned with a Dual X-Ray Absorptiometry Scanner (DEXA) before and after the trial to determine any changes in body composition.

The researchers found that muscular endurance doubled among the velvet antler group, tending to support the assertion of previous studies that velvet antler improves muscle activity. At the same time, the athletes taking antler lost more body fat than those in the control group, but did not increase muscle size. The researchers speculate that antler use may boost muscle efficiency without increasing in muscle mass. Results of the DEXA scans also suggested that velvet antler may improve muscle dynamic activity. The New Zealand researchers theorized that the antler extract may improve blood supply to muscles or act as an anti-inflammatory, allowing athletes to recover faster from training sessions.

Athletes from New Zealand and other countries — swimmers and mountaineers to rugby players and golfers — have used velvet antler to increase strength, vitality and endurance. Other athletes and professionals requiring strength and endurance are also using antler as a legal substitute for anabolic steroids. Researchers at the University of Alberta, Canada, tested antler’s ability to increase strength and endurance on cadets from the Edmonton police academy. The researchers found that use of velvet antler significantly increased blood plasma testosterone levels in the men participating in the study.


Cardiovascular Health


Several studies show a positive correlation between consistent use of velvet antler and cardiovascular health. Human subjects who used antler were able to endure larger work loads and experienced a shorter recovery time between exercises. One study suggested that daily use of chondroitin sulfate A — a key element of velvet antler — can reduce the risk of fatal heart attacks and stroke by more than 400 percent. Many participants with high or low blood pressure also showed changes in blood pressure toward normal.

Other studies reported an increase in heart strength and volume of blood pumped, while cardiac output, heart rate, mean arterial pressure, pulse pressure, central venous pressure and other parameters remained unchanged. Researchers suggest that the polysaccharides in antler may reduce the blood’s tendency to clot, improving circulation, decreasing stroke risk and boosting general cardiovascular health.

Russian and Japanese researchers have concentrated on an alcohol extract of antler called pantocrin or rantarin, discovering that the extract appears to lower blood pressure in both human subjects and laboratory animals.

Additional studies indicate that use of antler significantly cut the cholesterol level in laboratory animals.


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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2012, 07:20:47 pm »
Is it basically ground up antler?
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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2012, 08:26:43 pm »
It's a tincture made from velvet extract with grape alcohol; not the powedered form. It's taken sublingually.


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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2012, 10:50:06 pm »
So you put a small amount in grape alcohol, otherwise known as wine.

There are threads here on people who grind up bone and eat it. Same idea. The alcohol helps t transport small amounts of the nutrient to the blood stream and to the nerves.
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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2012, 10:55:23 pm »
Correct, the alcohol / ethanol is the carrier of the nutrients.  Also not the whole antler is used only the soft tips which are collected during the spring time when they're still growing on the elks and deers.


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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2012, 04:16:59 am »
I believe the Chinese use antler as a general tonic, they call it Lu Rong.  I don't think it's the velvet though.

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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2012, 11:21:54 pm »
Check out those two sources:

http://www.avma.org/reference/backgrounders/deer_velvet_bgnd.pdf
(You can jump to the summary on the third page if you dont want to read the full report)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16286669

Vitalis is selling it for 150USD for the Gold Edition and 250 for the Platinum.
Is he a Snake Oil Salesman as some say? He does come as sincere to me, and maybe he has too much faith in his projects and products that even he himself believes in them.

There is no science backing Velvet Antler's health benefits from what i ve seen so far at least from what looks like Legit sources; maybe the clinical studies are still limited. Sometimes you encounter some people on the net who claim that they felt the benefits of EVA but it could be just a placebo effect.

250USD for 30 drops ffs  :(
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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 12:20:36 am »
Just get yourself steroids (if you really want this), I guess it's much cheaper :)

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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 10:16:18 am »
Just get yourself steroids (if you really want this), I guess it's much cheaper :)

It is cheaper, but i would prefer something natural which stimulates the glands / body to produce the hormones mainly IGF-1 and HGH for muscle building / recovery and cellular / tissue regeneration.

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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2012, 02:02:09 am »
Look at it this way,,,  if they guys took every one of there newly discovered must have superfood that they had promoted over the last ten years, it would take the entire morning to ingest them all.  David Wolfe goes from one to another as a must have.  Like,  how did he ever get along or how could he ever had been healthy without it.  It's a game they play, just like car manufactures do with the next year model, because they know our MINDS  will want it, for the mind always feels like it needs something more to be complete.  But then I see nothing wrong with playing along with the game, especially when you know you're playing. 

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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2012, 02:08:32 am »
Look at it this way,,,  if they guys took every one of there newly discovered must have superfood that they had promoted over the last ten years, it would take the entire morning to ingest them all.  David Wolfe goes from one to another as a must have.  Like,  how did he ever get along or how could he ever had been healthy without it.  It's a game they play, just like car manufactures do with the next year model, because they know our MINDS  will want it, for the mind always feels like it needs something more to be complete.  But then I see nothing wrong with playing along with the game, especially when you know you're playing. 

Well said
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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2012, 02:50:09 am »
It is cheaper, but i would prefer something natural which stimulates the glands / body to produce the hormones mainly IGF-1 and HGH for muscle building / recovery and cellular / tissue regeneration.
Well, something in the amount of drops which can increase muscle synthesis, I really don't see how's it different from steroids. It has to work via manipulating hormones.

I'm not sure which is better though, something natural which goal is to promote the growth of antlers, or steroids (testosterone or whatever), which are at least specific to the human body.. both sound equally bad to me.

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Re: Your take on Velvet Antler
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2012, 03:20:48 am »
It is cheaper, but i would prefer something natural

It sounds like something that is highly processed - ie not natural at all.

You could say that taking testosterone or HGH is just as natural.

The whole thing sounds like a gimmick to me. I would stay away from it.
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