Celebrity Rawists

[djr_81]

What does that really mean? I've only heard about F.A.G, the Film Actors Guild, led by Alec Baldwin.

Screen Actors Guild.

AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

Ronery, so ronery.

[TylerDurden]

Frankly, I didn't have a clue what that was all about. 

[ForTheHunt]

I read an interview with Carol Alt and remember she said she had seared steaks.

David M. McLean is a celebrity.

Hey Cinna, aren't you a celebrity yourself?

I bet there are lots of celebrities in this forum but because of their celebrity status they have to hide themselves in cryptic usernames.

RPD is the secret diet and lifestyle of celebrities.

You have found me out sir, I am in fact Ryan Reynolds

[SkinnyDevil]

My thanx to everyone for the compliments, but I can hardly be considered a celebrity.

I've only heard about F.A.G, the Film Actors Guild, led by Alec Baldwin.

Hahaha!!!

[PaleoPhil]

If I ever get photographed doing an Asian Squat, guess what you get in your journal on your birthday but I'm not making any promises? (A pic of me doing an Asian Squat.       OK, if not Asian Squat, def something Asian-y... shouldn't be too hard... )

You go girl!

[Cinna]

wow. What are Disney episodes? xD

As in episodes of shows that appear on the Disney Channel.

Anyway that sounds awesome. Have you been on Two and a Half Men yet? =p What was that cable show called? *Halo* or what were the actresses called at least =p

No, I haven't been on Two and a Half Men yet (lol) - although it is set in Mark Sisson and AV's neighborhood.   I only give out the show info on a need-to-know basis... (if you really need to know the actresses, Miles, PM me ).

[KD]

I used to be under the assumption that most celebrities (but actors in particular) MUST be doing some kind of behind the scenes raw diet or some other kind of colonics, juicing or whatever other thing I was into. I think this is somewhat wishful thinking. Quite a few celebrities are authentic vegetarian/macros and look fantastic that way. Some even in their 30's and 40's just get more and more attractive. Perhaps a random pick - but Kristin Wiig just looks more and more sexy and feminine eating soy and cranberry juice and Madonna's ass still looks amazing. Previously I could have sworn Kristin was at least eating mostly raw veg. I'm sure many have dabbled in at least eating raw animal foods, but at this point I no longer think many secretly are living this lifestyle to the extent that folks here are. I still want to believe Daniel-Day Lewis eats raw meat, because he's so cool. I think Mel was indeed eating raw meat in a pretty specific way, but discontinued because of other poor habits, or lack of a need to.

Part of me thinks the really cutting edge personal trainers and such must surf this kind of info and part of me does not. I think we have secrets they might want, and they have secrets that probably work alot better per their clients desires and that is something else to accept.

[raw-al]

Ummmm... Like David M. McLean, I'm a professional performer/entertainer and while I have some fans/admirers (maybe three), I'm not a celebrity... I'm SAG eligible and I've been a featured extra in a few Disney episodes and an adult-natured cable program that actually starred real pornographic actors/actresses (the program was not pornographic though - the acts were "simulated" and no, I was not on set for these scenes ).

Cinna,
How could anyone not be your fan..... ?

I felt for Kelly Rowan in the interview. Coming out of the closet in an interview.... wow.

I have mentioned my raw food to one or two close friends but I generally keep it to myself. Raw dairy is the extent of my mentioning it to others. After being a vege for a large # of years I have found that it's best to keep it to yourself. People don't invite you to visit, you spend many weird moments trying to justify your food to people who essentially want to make you look stupid. I had one guy try to get me into a fist fight because I was a a vege. He had a few drinks in him and for reasons known only to him he was highly offended.

Colonics can be a bad idea as it leaves the area of the body with none of the protective mucous coatings that prevent problems. I wouldn't go near that garbage. Ayurveda has evolved some versions which are quite effective, but again I wouldn't go near them unless supervised by a person with a good knowledge of what the heck they are doing. Problem is that you don't know whether it's appropriate for yourself till after you've done it.

[PaleoPhil]

... although it is set in Mark Sisson and AV's neighborhood. ...

Interesting coincidence. Do you think that Mark Sisson was influenced by AV at all?

Kristen Wiig apparently eats dairy foods and cooked foods:

When you splurge, what's on the list?
"Dark Chocolate Peanut M&Ms are kind of the best thing that's ever been made. And lemon cupcakes from Buttercup Bake Shop, near my house. I also love hot, melted cheesy sandwiches. And sweet-potato fries." http://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/kristen-wiig-interview?page=2

It sounds like she's vegetarian-oriented, but not fully so, given that she says she has "a splurge day once a week when I can eat whatever I want." http://vegetarianstar.com/2008/12/26/saturday-night-lives-kristen-wiig-balances-tofu-with-mms/

[KD]

? yeah, I said quite a few celebs are authentic vegetarians ( many of which would even self-label as junk-food veg) or practice a macrobiotic diet, yet look fantastic. My point was that although you can throw the 'genes thing' around, to me some people actually seem to look healthier over time on a variety of approaches, so they have some other 'secret' or our ideas about nutrition and toxicity are not always what they seem. Marisa Tomei is another anomaly. I also personally think raw-al is flat out wrong here, because often times alot of these people are indeed involved in cleanses and detox protocols that AV and others demonize - seemingly to their benefit. I personally think for all diets other than RAF...with doing some kind of colon cleansing the benefits far outweigh any of the superstitious crap. The main problem seems to be some kind of intellectual dependency. You can probably run into more problems doing it with raw meats/fiberless diet but its also less important. Either way, I wasn't recommending anything, just saying I (wrongly) assumed people must have been doing what I was doing in the past. i.e. Kristin eating raw veg was a total made up fantasy on my part.

[PaleoPhil]

Kristin eating raw veg was a total made up fantasy on my part.

OK, I wasn't disagreeing with you on anything, KD, if that's what you thought. Most of the times you have thought I was trying to disagree with you I wasn't actually. So when it seems like I'm disagreeing with you there's a good chance I'm not. Knowing that you tend to assume I'm disagreeing with you, I intentionally left out mention of your name, hoping that would help avoid misunderstanding. I was just curious about what Kristin eats and how she looks after you mentioned her and I quickly googled her. If it was just fantasy, that's fine. I was just curious, that's all. In the future if you think I'm disagreeing with you about something but it's not absolutely clear that I am, please ask me first whether I really am, and I'll try to be clearer about it myself. Thanks!  

We also don't know what celebrities actually eat as vs. what they claim to anyway, so it's not a big deal to me one way or the other. The most telling celebrity examples are probably when they try one sort of diet and then admit they've suffered health problems as a result, like with Gwyneth Paltrow's macrobiotic diet. When people admit errors or cheats they tend to be more honest than when they're touting their success.

[KD]

Yeah, I did. the whole point of what I wrote was that its foolish to assume that someone is not healthy because they don't eat RPD, and to assume there is some kind of magic component otherwise to why they can both look good and continue doing so. if she eats soy and pasteurized juice and is not a vegan, she's eating cooked foods and dairy. I was saying I was under the impression that people must have some kind of secret diet obsession, but largely I do not believe this to be true any more particulary in regards to raw meat.


as for GP, I personally think that previous conversation was totally unfair. There are people doing all-manner of raw diets (including RAF) that clock out due to a variety of problems. Based on the knowledge i've accumulated, it seems like a macrobiotic diet would not at all be healthy and could present a variety of problems, but i've met plenty of people on it that are not only healthy but have healed from various ailments, plus again..Madonna's ass.

[PaleoPhil]

Yeah, I did. the whole point of what I wrote was that its foolish to assume that someone is not healthy because they don't eat RPD, and to assume there is some kind of magic component otherwise to why they can both look good and continue doing so. if she eats soy and pasteurized juice and is not a vegan, she's eating cooked foods and dairy. I was saying I was under the impression that people must have some kind of secret diet obsession, but largely I do not believe this to be true any more particulary in regards to raw meat.

OK, well I don't disagree with you, I agree with you. Hope that clears up the confusion.

Plus, I didn't take the purpose of this thread to be to prove that only people who eat RPD are healthy, I took it to mean that there are celebrities who appear healthy and attractive that we can point to when people attack us for our WOE. There are clearly millions of people who are relatively healthy despite not eating RPD. Of course, that doesn't mean they wouldn't necessarily do even better on RPD if they tried it.

as for GP, I personally think that previous conversation was totally unfair. There are people doing all-manner of raw diets (including RAF) that clock out due to a variety of problems. Based on the knowledge i've accumulated, it seems like a macrobiotic diet would not at all be healthy and could present a variety of problems, but i've met plenty of people on it that are not only healthy but have healed from various ailments, plus again..Madonna's ass.

I don't know what "previous conversation" you're referring to. I'm not interested in debating the merits of macrobiotic diets. My point wasn't about macrobiotic diets, it was about celebrity honesty and honesty in general. In my experience, people tend to be more honest when discussing their failures than their achievements. Take it FWIW or leave it, it doesn't bother me either way.

[TylerDurden]

There are a lot of caveats. For one thing,  rich people have many resources that other people do not have such as frequent access to plastic surgery, greater comfort in life(thus reducing mortality by greatly lowering stress) etc.. Also, appearances can be deceptive. There are people like Richard Biggs who seem healthy on the outside, but then die at the age of 41, just like that. That is why I am deeply sceptical of the notion of judging a diet by looking at the photos of relevant gurus, given photoshopping etc. etc.

[PaleoPhil]

Correct, Tyler.

Plus, it's not like you said anything about only RPDers being healthy when you started this thread:

There was a topic on celebrities doing RAF diets. It occurred to me to do a thread on real-life and fictional people eating raw animal foods.

So to me, your purpose with this thread seemed to be more about showing that some famous people claim to eat RPD or close to it and don't die instantly like our critics would have people believe than that only RPDers can be healthy, and that RPD is not as socially bizarre as many people think, and that we can cite these examples when people question why we're doing RPD, but please correct me if I err.

[KD]

OK, well I don't disagree with you, I agree with you. Hope that clears up the confusion.

Plus, I didn't take the purpose of this thread to be to prove that only people who eat RPD are healthy, I took it to mean that there are celebrities who appear healthy and attractive that we can point to when people attack us for our WOE. There are clearly millions of people who are relatively healthy despite not eating RPD. Of course, that doesn't mean they wouldn't necessarily do even better on RPD if they tried it.
I don't know what "previous conversation" you're referring to. I'm not interested in debating the merits of macrobiotic diets. My point wasn't about macrobiotic diets, it was about celebrity honesty and honesty in general. In my experience, people tend to be more honest when discussing their failures than their achievements. Take it FWIW or leave it, it doesn't bother me either way.

ok, so you didn't argue with me, but now you are essentially disagreeing about what the subject of the thread is. yes people probably could do better on RPD, but again my point (which needed no further research) was that it was foolish to assume people were behind the scenes doing some kind of raw diet, and that there were very few people in public light as of now doing this diet, not a bunch of closeted ones. I was admitting to believing this false self-serving concept, and gave an illustration. Either you were arguing or didn't quite get this part as any additional information about her diet, had nothing to with the topic because she wasn't presented as a raw foodist in an way by myself.

as for GP..you seemed to be on the thread
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/infonews-items/fad-diet-leaves-gwyneth-paltrow-with-brittle-bones/

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alot of it does come down to happiness/health/sense of purpose. I really don't think plastic surgery is usually a factor. its almost always easy to tell, not to mention at least my concept of healthy or even 'healthy looking' is more than just facial features...its something someone exudes.

[PaleoPhil]

ok, so you didn't argue with me, but now you are essentially disagreeing about what the subject of the thread is.

Well, I shared how I took this thread just to show there are other ways of interpreting it that may not necessarily conflict with your own views and thus there may not be any argument. If Tyler had a different purpose than my guess he's free to share that and correct me. I'm not interested in debating it with you as neither you nor I are certain of what his purpose was. I was actually trying to show that it's possible that there is little or no disagreement between your views and those of everyone else in this thread, but somehow you seem to be interpreting everything in the opposite direction.

yes people probably could do better on RPD, but again my point (which needed no further research) was that it was foolish to assume people were behind the scenes doing some kind of raw diet, and that there were very few people in public light as of now doing this diet, not a bunch of closeted ones. I was admitting to believing this false self-serving concept, and gave an illustration. Either you were arguing or didn't quite get this part as any additional information about her diet, had nothing to with the topic because she wasn't presented as a raw foodist in an way by myself.

I understood this and I don't disagree with any of it, so I wasn't arguing against it. Again, I wasn't trying to make any point with the actresses I mentioned. Paltrow was just an example re: my point on the honesty of public figures re: their success vs. failure stories and I don't doubt that Madonna and others can develop nice asses and bodies on macrobiotic diets, SAD, etc.

as for GP..you seemed to be on the thread
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/infonews-items/fad-diet-leaves-gwyneth-paltrow-with-brittle-bones/

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alot of it does come down to happiness/health/sense of purpose. I really don't think plastic surgery is usually a factor. its almost always easy to tell, not to mention at least my concept of healthy or even 'healthy looking' is more than just facial features...its something someone exudes.

I don't fully understand this, but I don't see anything here that I particularly disagree with.

It almost seems like you're trying to create debates where none exists.

[KD]

It almost seems like you're trying to create debates where none exists.

hmm, no I think this and the other posts are argumentative/judgemental in a very passive way.

I don't see how else I can describe it

I used to be under the assumption that most celebrities (but actors in particular) MUST be doing some kind of behind the scenes raw diet or some other kind of colonics, juicing or whatever other thing I was into. I think this is somewhat wishful thinking. Quite a few celebrities are authentic vegetarian/macros and look fantastic that way. Some even in their 30's and 40's just get more and more attractive. Perhaps a random pick - but Kristin Wiig just looks more and more sexy and feminine eating soy and cranberry juice and Madonna's ass still looks amazing. Previously I could have sworn Kristin was at least eating mostly raw veg. I'm sure many have dabbled in at least eating raw animal foods, but at this point I no longer think many secretly are living this lifestyle to the extent that folks here are. I still want to believe Daniel-Day Lewis eats raw meat, because he's so cool. I think Mel was indeed eating raw meat in a pretty specific way, but discontinued because of other poor habits, or lack of a need to.

Part of me thinks the really cutting edge personal trainers and such must surf this kind of info and part of me does not. I think we have secrets they might want, and they have secrets that probably work alot better per their clients desires and that is something else to accept.

and then yours

Kristen Wiig apparently eats dairy foods and cooked foods:

It sounds like she's vegetarian-oriented, but not fully so, given that she says she has "a splurge day once a week when I can eat whatever I want." http://vegetarianstar.com/2008/12/26/saturday-night-lives-kristen-wiig-balances-tofu-with-mms/

and tell me exactly how this is not some kind of argument or completely redundant.  I said "I could have sworn Kristin was at least eating mostly raw veg." did I send you on a wild goose chase with soy and cranberry juice? If I said  intravenous McDonald's IV and smokes crack..would your post have seemed any less argumentative? I picked someone that was not on a raw diet whatsover and was a vegetarian, who fucking cares what she eats.

[PaleoPhil]

hmm, no I think this and the other posts are argumentative/judgemental in a very passive way.

I don't see how else I can describe it

Well it wasn't intended. Don't know what else to tell you. I actually was trying to show the opposite--that there may be more agreement than disagreement, but I apparently did not communicate that well.

and tell me exactly how this is not some kind of argument or completely redundant.  I said "I could have sworn Kristin was at least eating mostly raw veg." did I send you on a wild goose chase with soy and cranberry juice?

No, I was just curious, that's all, and I thought others might be interested in what I found. Sorry for not specifying that to begin with. I thought leaving your name out of it would be enough, but clearly not. If you're not interested, then don't read my posts on it and please move on.

If I said  intravenous McDonald's IV and smokes crack..would your post have seemed any less argumentative? I picked someone that was not on a raw diet whatsover and was a vegetarian, who fucking cares what she eats.

Again, I was made curious about her after you mentioned her. I didn't make any assumptions based on what you said, because your comments were rather cryptic--which is part of what raised my curiosity to find out what she eats and how she's doing. After all, this is a thread about celebrity dieters. I'm not persuaded on what to eat by celebrity examples as though their celebrityhood somehow made their experience more valid, but I am curious to see how various people do on very different diets and, more importantly, celebrity examples are useful in dealing with other people who tend to cut me some slack if I can point to celebrities that eat raw meats or raw diets.

If you're not actually interested in what Wiig eats, then please move on. No need to get crude over it. I don't wish to discuss it further, so please let's just drop it. I actually didn't want a debate with you at all and would rather avoid any future debates with you. I will try to anticipate better in the future what might trigger one of these responses by you so as to avoid them.

Perhaps this will help avoid future unpleasantness--if it ever seems that I'm seeking to debate you on something, please understand that I'm not and please send me a PM asking me to clarify my wording so as to remove any such impression and avoid any debate. Thanks.

[KD]

I'll try to do as you say and not jump to conclusions in the future, but you seem to imbed the same passive-aggressive thing over an over. I admit I write some cryptic things...but I'm pretty confident that anyone seeing the juxtaposition above and you use of 'apparently' - including my just past post which was pretty self-explantory - would agree all this is entirely unnecessary. I mentioned someone: an example of a cooked veg that eats soy that i knew was NOT raw but fantastically believed to be based on appearance/progress and that is why I assumed your 'apparently she eats cooked food' remark to be some kind of insult. I'm not going to say i'm entirely innocent here, or that its super easy to avoid conflicts myself, but my posts on this thread prior to your addition I don't believe had any wiff of this sort of thing to another person, and at least I believe yours often do, so perhaps if you are getting into conflicts it might be good to check your wordings further.

I thought leaving your name out of it would be enough, but clearly not.

If you're not interested, then don't read my posts on it and please move on.


If you're not actually interested in what Wiig eats, then please move on. No need to get crude over it. I don't wish to discuss it further, so please let's just drop it. I actually didn't want a debate with you at all and would rather avoid any future debates with you. I will try to anticipate better in the future what might trigger one of these responses by you so as to avoid them.

Perhaps this will help avoid future unpleasantness--if it ever seems that I'm seeking to debate you on something, please understand that I'm not and please send me a PM asking me to clarify my wording so as to remove any such impression and avoid any debate. Thanks.

[PaleoPhil]

@KD Your added digs and picked nits don't interest me. If you want to blame me, go ahead, I'm not interested in debating who's to blame. The only debates I'm interested in are ones that I might learn something from in a topic I find interesting. Feel free to imagine whatever negativity you want about me--for me it's just so much hot air. Again, I prefer to avoid any debates with you and I will try to avoid giving the impression that I'm directing posts to you on any future topic and if it ever seems that I'm seeking to debate you on something, please send me a PM notifying me of this so I can edit or delete my post. If you seek to debate me on some future topic I'll just reiterate that I'm not interested, at least for a while. If you decide in the future that you're confident that we can communicate without argument or invective, let me know and I'll give it another shot. Until then it's probably best that we not communicate.

[PaleoPhil]

Add Tom Jones to the list of celebrity savages. He is mentioned in this article, along with a featuring of Megan Fox, who has been mentioned before:

Megan Fox's Caveman Diet
BY ALEXANDRIA GOUVEIA
Thursday, 21 July 2011
It’s the yabba-dabba-do way to get into shape
http://www.ahlanlive.com/megan-fox-s-caveman-diet-128262.html