food freedom

[svrn]

this guy got in trouble for telling diabetics to reduce carb intake and up fat intake. This is relevant to us since he got in trouble for doing what we do all the time. Also in this video, tuna caught near california coast has 10 times more radiation than the tuna before fukishima went off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKlrhRN9cvE&feature=player_embedded#!

[TylerDurden]

Look, if you're going to emote about fake radioactivity-conspiracy theories, kindly keep them to the Hot Topic forums in future. Moved there now.

[svrn]

what the fuck are you talking about? the tuna was tested and its a fact. the radiation is 10 times higher.

what in the world is wrong with you that you cant accept such a simple fact?

also the tuna was not the point of this post. the point was that people are getting in trouble for simply giving dietary advice. you need to calm don with your thread moving tyler, this does not belong in hot topics.

i guess fukushima blowing up and being at least 80 times worse than chernobyll and still getting worse has no effect on the world. sometimes you act like a complete idiot.  I would really like to hear where you managed to see a conspiracy theory in this video.

you are being a real asshole and I dont believe you are doing a very good job as a moderator with actions such as this. but hey, maybe Im wrong and both you and the government are right in saying radiation is good for us.

[TylerDurden]

Youtube videos are hardly a sign of decent science, they are notorious for conspiracy theories. Besides, Czernobyl-style scares have been made about radioactivity and they've always been found to be bogus, such as the SF claims that the radioactivity of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would produce mutants and Czernobyl itself was a joke with irish farmers pretending that their sheep had died due to fallout!

End of the world stories belong in the hot topics forum where all the loony b*llsh*t goes.

[TylerDurden]

Actually, radiation can indeed be good for us:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis

[svrn]

Youtube videos are hardly a sign of decent science, they are notorious for conspiracy theories. Besides, Czernobyl-style scares have been made about radioactivity and they've always been found to be bogus, such as the SF claims that the radioactivity of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would produce mutants and Czernobyl itself was a joke with irish farmers pretending that their sheep had died due to fallout!

End of the world stories belong in the hot topics forum where all the loony b*llsh*t goes.

what an asshole. all you did is show that you saw it was infowars and labeled it conspiracy without watching the video at all. if you did watch it you would have seen THAT EVERYTHING IS CITED ON SCREEN. he doesnt just say things. the scientific studies and news articles are all onscreen for you too see. your hormesis thing is about low radiation. the radiation in the tuna is now up 1000 percent since fukushima. this is not low radiation.

ask anyone who did chemo how radiation made them feel. you are just being rediculous now.

either way I wasnt really trying to discuss the radiation here, maybe open another thread if you want to do that. I started the thread to discuss food freedom and people being harassed by government agents for giving out health advice. which is something that almost all of us here do regularly.

[TylerDurden]

I've asked a physics expert re this fukushima nonsense. We'll see what he has to say.

[svrn]

not that it matters either way.

I asked a nutrition expert and he told me i need to eat lots of whole grains and vegetables fruits and no animal products.

heres a real radiation expert giving you the dangers of low level radiation. by the way, we are now way above the safe levels of radiation set by the epa before fukushima. now they just raised those limits so we are now considered under safe radiation.

[svrn]

Christopher Busby: The Negative Health Effects of Low-Dose Radiation from Fukushima 1/2

[TylerDurden]

This from a qualified physics expert PHD etc. on allexperts.com:-

"   I'm not aware that a lot of radioactive material ended up in the ocean from Fukushima.  Sure, there might have been a few fish that ended up with 10 times more radioactivity than normal.  Normal fish probably don't have any more radioactivity in their bodies than you do, from C-14 and K-40. Considering the volume of the ocean, there's no way that Fukushima is endangering all mankind.  Chernobyl released a lot more and that was spread over a much bigger area."

 So, don't worry, the world isn't going to end.

[Dorothy]

Troll - re the original topic - at least the guy is suing back! That's hopeful. But the diet tyrrany that has gotten started and keeps on growing in our country truly is terrifying.

Thanks for the video. It brings up the issue for all of us! Are any one of us allowed to give advice to each other here? What a strange world it is going to be when you can't tell someone else something you like to eat, why and how it makes you feel. That's like the culmination to dictatorship.

[eveheart]

TOTD, I listened to the Info Wars segment you posted, and I consider it to be sensationalism, not news. The blogger was not doing what we do here on this forum. According to the reporter, the blogger said he was just giving nutritional advice, however the report elaborated that he was giving nutritional advice to diabetics. Any responsible health practitioner realizes that you cannot give generic advice about a disease without evaluating the patient  The blog, as it was described, did not address the needs of a specific patient. The reason that health care is practiced this way is because not every disease (set of symptoms) has the same cause or course. There are many issues in the area of food freedom, however, this video item was not about food freedom at all. I like to think of this forum as a place to discuss responsible information about RPD, not as a place to post the fringe opinions of every fool who knows how to talk in front of a camera.

Your reference to findings of radioactivity in tuna off the coast of California left out most of the news story, thus turning a news item into another spouting of sensationalism.

If you can't get your facts straight, perhaps it would be best to read more and post less. I'm just sayin'. [insert "annoyed" emoticon here]

Dorothy, the point is, Yes, you can tell someone else something you like to eat, why and how it makes you feel. However, practicing medicine without a patient is the basis of quackery.

[Dorothy]

I don't know Eve - I say all the time here and everywhere that I think eating sugar and processed carbohydrates is bad for diabetes. But, if you buy "Diabetics for Dummies" they say eating sugar is fine.

I guess I better no longer say that then because then I'm a quack.

[eveheart]

I don't know Eve - I say all the time here and everywhere that I think eating sugar and processed carbohydrates is bad for diabetes. But, if you buy "Diabetics for Dummies" they say eating sugar is fine.

The for Dummies books represent themselves as "plain English" paraphrased or summarized versions of more technical or scientific materials. Paraphrasing or summarizing is not an activity that would be considered treatment of a disease. For that matter, "sayin'" is not the same as treating.

But mostly what I don't see is the relevance of the blogger's issue to RPD. Whereas abridgment of raw dairy freedom is relevant to RPD, his freedom issue was not about his RPD-ness.

[Dorothy]

His freedom issues can affect us all.

The blogger was making generalized suggestion just like I did above. He had no credentials, either do I. He wasn't treating an individual - I do worse - I say these things to individuals here with particular diseases.

I've actually gone through a lot of trouble NOT to get credentials because that was a dangerous thing to do when giving out any kind of advice or trying to help anyone in the past. Now it looks like it's getting equally dangerous having credentials as not having credentials.

We here make general suggestions that eating raw meat is healthier. What that blogger experienced is a short little step from having problems on a diet forum I would imagine. It could open up any individual in a diet forum to potential criminal charges - especially if that diet forum got too influential and actually helped too many people and took dollars  from the sickness industry.

[svrn]

people on this forum consistently give blanket advice for specific ailments. For instance take goodsamaritans curemanual which does exactly that and gives the same advice to diabetics as this guy did.

I think he gave very sound advice.

Eveheart, please point to what was factually incorrect in that report.

[eveheart]

Eveheart, please point to what was factually incorrect in that report.

The Info Wars news reporter presented the state's action as being directed against Cooksey's blog, when the print news reports state that

Cooksey first heard from the state board just a few days after he attended a diabetic nutritional seminar at a local church. During the question-and-answer session, he expressed his disagreement with the view of the speaker—the director of diabetic services at a nearby hospital....

In addition to omitting the gist of NC's action, the Info News reporter used quotes out of context.

Now, I'm all for blasting the monopoly of Big Medicine to smithereens, and Cooksey sounds like he's taking on that challenge. However, his position is weakened by sensationalism such as used on the Info Wars segment, which makes him look like a victim rather than a crusader.

And, if he wants to be a successful crusader, he had best make sure he has a clean act, because he's up against some big guns.

[svrn]

Incorrect again.

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/blogger-state-agency-censored-online-health-food-advice-column/

"In December, Cooksey says he started answering reader questions in a Dear Abbey-style column. A month later, he received a notice from the state asking him to stop “providing advice to readers, friends and family in private emails and conversations; and offering a paid life-coaching service.”

He believes the state’s interest stems from a nutritional seminar for diabetics. A director of diabetic services at a local hospital was the guest, and she said diabetics should eat a diet rich in whole-grain carbohydrates and low in fat, Cooksey says."

so the action was directed at his blog. He only drew attention to himself through the seminar.

So it turns out the infowars report is still correct guys, no matter how much you all try to pretend its not.

also please point to what was taken out of context.