Controlling bad cholesterol

[raw]

Mom is almost 60 yrs old.  She eats some raw meat 1/2lb or less a day, high meat everyday (small chunk) , kombucha drink, water kefir (home mAde), some rice with cooked meat and cooked inorganic vegetable, fruits like fresh mango, oranges everyday.

She also carries lots of stress , 'cause, she is the only care giver her 25yrs old severely mentally ill son. She usually have no personal times for herself except when she sleeps at night. All financial and physical responsibilities she carries by herself.
Because, of her good diet, she cures many illness by herself. At present she is suffering from eczema (which is just started for couple of months). But high cholesterol is almost killing her now. Her doctor says that he never seen anyone who can survive in that level of cholesterol in the body. I know stress can cause that. But what to do next to control it? Please, help!

[jessica]

have you read goodsamatarins blog? someone should be able to link you to it, he has a lot of helpful advice for eczema that i am sure would also help to lower cholesterol.

 its weird to note that excess of cholesterol manifests as little white nodes under the skin, i am wondering if the eczema is just a symptom of the body trying to rid of all the cholesterol?

[LePatron7]

Mom is almost 60 yrs old.  She eats some raw meat 1/2lb or less a day, high meat everyday (small chunk) , kombucha drink, water kefir (home mAde), some rice with cooked meat and cooked inorganic vegetable, fruits like fresh mango, oranges everyday.

She also carries lots of stress , 'cause, she is the only care giver her 25yrs old severely mentally ill son. She usually have no personal times for herself except when she sleeps at night. All financial and physical responsibilities she carries by herself.
Because, of her good diet, she cures many illness by herself. At present she is suffering from eczema (which is just started for couple of months). But high cholesterol is almost killing her now. Her doctor says that he never seen anyone who can survive in that level of cholesterol in the body. I know stress can cause that. But what to do next to control it? Please, help!

Maybe treating that 25 y/o's mental illness would reduce her stress.

High fat raw paleo has done wonders for me (schizophrenia).

[raw]

Jessica, I believe that too. But today, she told me probably the raw meat is bad for her (that's weird). She doesn't listen me at all. So, she wants to reduce to eat raw meat. But in my case I increase my raw meat intake upto 3 lbs a day. 1/2 lb organ and 5 egg yolks in addition. Well, I see how this diet doing wonder for me. It reduces my stress completely.

Deboss, u r right that if my mom can take care of her son properly, her stress reduces. She makes greenjuice, lots of probiotics, high meat, raw thyroid for my brother and he starts to feel good. Most of the time he refuses to stay well and either he eats junks or he starves himself. He loves to eats poison in order to kill himself. Please, I need more information and I can show this post to mom to convince her .

[goodsamaritan]

Try chia seeds every morning. 1 Tablespoon in a glass of water.  Easy to take for people allergic to raw.  Gives omega 3 fats.  In seed form.

Try drinking apple juice, 1 liter per day for 5 days.  On the 6th, 7th and 8th morning do an egg yolk liver flush.

She can also do coffee enemas.

Very high cholesterol is merely a sign that the liver may be congested / dirty... needs cleaning.

Of course if you can at least do cooked meat high fat paleo diet, it may work as well.

[raw]

Cool prescription GS. I will show her that . But all these things are time consuming. She has limited time for herself.
I wonder about hydrogen-per-oxide, about Al's new topic. if that helps too!

[goodsamaritan]

Cool prescription GS. I will show her that . But all these things are time consuming. She has limited time for herself.
I wonder about hydrogen-per-oxide, about Al's new topic. if that helps too!

Chia Seeds 1 tablespoon in water.  Preparation and drinking. 5 to 10 minutes.

Drinking 1 liter apple juice a day.  Preparation time... not much.  Replace other drinks.
Buy a brand not from concentrate.
Do not juice apples yourself.

Drinking egg yolk liver flush... mix 3 raw duck egg yolks or 5 chicken egg yolks = 1/2 cup with 1/2 cup squeezed lemon or lime + 1 tablespoon ghee or 1 tablespoon virgin coconut oil or 1 tablespoon butter.  When she wakes up in the morning, drink.  Preparation 10 minutes?
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/edwins-egg-yolk-liver-flushing/

Not time consuming.

[raw]

Wow! thank u soooo much again. In our whole lives, any juice means that freshly made juice. We never bought store bought juice. But definitely we can buy apple juice from NYC farmer's market. I am giving ur prescription when I will wake up tomorrow. She might hesitate to take egg yolks. There are many good reasons that she hasitates to drink raw egg yolks. Before when she did that, her cholesterol gets up right away. But, ur formula might be very helpful and I see that it might help her significantly. Well, I will be updating her progress here. Thank u all.

[goodsamaritan]

put the chia seeds in the apple juice... double whammy.

hope she gets good results...

[CarnivorousApe]

Wonder how many carbs she gets from rice, organges and mangoes. Fruits contain surprisingly high amounts of sugar (an apple contains 15 g or carbohydrates - almost the same amount as tbsp of honey).

Besides, it is interesting which type of cholesterol is high, there is HDL (good one) and LDL (arguably not so good) plus tryglycerides (these ones should be as low as possible), it would be useful to see her lipid profile.

I am not sure about liver cleansing also - with good diet liver should cleanse itself, besides in her condition (if she has high insulin sensitivity due to fruits consumption) drinking large amounts of liquid sugar (apple juice) may make things worse. Besides fructose in excessive amounts is known to destroy liver (hello to frutarians)

[jessica]

if the sugar is an issue i am assuming malic acid+vitamin c would be fine, also apple cider vinegar.  these are known to break down fatty deposits in the liver so that the liver can cleanse the blood of excess fat.  choline, which is found in egg yolks, has this same property, pineapple also has an amount of choline.  fresh pressed apple juice would probably be the best though, it is so much different from pasteurized juice.  we used to sell it on a farm i was working at and in the AZ heat we would leave some out to ferment, sometimes itd turn into cider, sometimes into cider vinegar

[raw]

I just wonder,n insted bof apple juice, if she just eats an fresh apple. she loves fresh apples

[ys]

But high cholesterol is almost killing her now.

how do you know??  high cholesterol does not have any symptoms whatsoever.  one will never know unless being told by the lab.  and one more thing, people with high cholesterol live longer.

[raw]

she had her blood test last Saturday. She feels very very weak for the past couple of weeks.

[Johan August]

To be sure that the danger in question is caused by high  cholesterol then it is, to loosely quote Gary Taubes (Good Calories, Bad Calories) , the smallest and densest of the seven different sub-classes of LDL  the one to be concerned about.  If you have a high HDL reading then this  LDL reading will be low and you have no worries because the other LDL sub-classes are okay. You should be able to find out from the test if the HDL reading is high and the triglycerides are low. Most blood tests show HDL and triglycerides.
You can work towards the desirable readings by eliminating sugar and starches. Probably a zero carb raw diet for a while.
 

[goodsamaritan]

I just wonder,n insted bof apple juice, if she just eats an fresh apple. she loves fresh apples

Eat a lot of apples.
In fact some people go on 3 day apple fasts.

[Ferocious]

1  Cholesterol is not a deadly poison, but a substance vital to the cells of all mammals. There are no such things as good or bad cholesterol, but mental stress, physical activity and change of body weight may influence the level of blood cholesterol. A high cholesterol is not dangerous by itself, but may reflect an unhealthy condition, or it may be totally innocent.

 2  A high blood cholesterol is said to promote atherosclerosis and thus also coronary heart disease. But many studies have shown that people whose blood cholesterol is low become just as atherosclerotic as people whose cholesterol is high.

 3  Your body produces three to four times more cholesterol than you eat. The production of cholesterol increases when you eat little cholesterol and decreases when you eat much. This explains why the ”prudent” diet cannot lower cholesterol more than on average a few per cent.

 4  There is no evidence that too much animal fat and cholesterol in the diet promotes atherosclerosis or heart attacks. For instance, more than twenty studies have shown that people who have had a heart attack haven't eaten more fat of any kind than other people, and degree of atherosclerosis at autopsy is unrelated with the diet.

 5  The only effective way to lower cholesterol is with drugs, but neither heart mortality or total mortality have been improved with drugs the effect of which is cholesterol-lowering only. On the contrary, these drugs are dangerous to your health and may shorten your life.

 6  The new cholesterol-lowering drugs, the statins, do prevent cardio-vascular disease, but this is due to other mechanisms than cholesterol-lowering. Unfortunately, they also stimulate cancer in rodents, disturb the functions of the muscles, the heart and the brain and pregnant women taking statins may give birth to children with malformations more severe than those seen after thalidomide.

 7  Many of these facts have been presented in scientific journals and books for decades but are rarely told to the public by the proponents of the diet-heart idea.

 8  The reason why laymen, doctors and most scientists have been misled is because opposing and disagreeing results are systematically ignored or misquoted in the scientific press. 

What is bad cholesterol???

The idea that high cholesterol is bad and that there is a such thing as good and bad cholesterol, is bullshit. If you want full details: http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm#a

Just click on the numbers to the left of each point.

I suggest she stop visiting doctors. It's pointless, they are not qualified to say if she's healthy or not. They're only going to make her stress worse. They are biased by the big pharma.

[goodsamaritan]

I agree with Ferocious.

Also with old people, the normal cholestorol level is usually higher as believed by barefootherbalistmh.com  200 to 220 + your age

As for myself, I don't believe in cholesterol readings and do not take any readings myself.

The advice I give with people concerned of cholesterol readings usually need such readings for some kind of insurance coverage.

[CarnivorousApe]

Yes, high cholesterol is controversial, some people believe it to be actually healthy:

http://freetheanimal.com/2009/03/low-cholesterol-to-die-for.html

[aLptHW4k4y]

Studies have consistently found that vegetarians and vegans have lower cholesterol (especially LDL, the other types not significantly different).
So she might try to not eat meat for a while. Good fish and eggs are great animal foods too.

[Dorothy]

I have experience with this Raw.
My mother's cholesterol was at levels through the roof since her 20's. Doctors were always flabbergasted that she didn't drop dead. She tried all sorts of drugs but they made her very ill - hospitalized her a couple of times. But the cholesterol never seemed to create any real problems for her heart. But then her TRIGLYCERIDES went high and then her doctor got scared and THEN she had a heart attack. It's all about the triglyceride levels - not the cholesterol levels.

No matter what diet I tried I couldn't get her cholesterol and triglycerides down. We even tried every fish oil out there including prescription strength. Then I found a fish oil that was not heated - finally - and tried that one. The brand is Minami. It was the ONLY thing that brought not only her cholesterol down to normal levels but also the more important triglycerides. She stopped taking it without telling me because she ordered something cheaper and her levels went right back up. When she went back on the Minami her levels went down again where nothing else was changed so it was a clean experiment.

When it comes to fat and the heart - it's really the LACK of the good important fats that is the main problem. Minami brand oils fill that need better than anything I have found. You just can't eat enough raw fish to get that what you can with the Minami. Get the 900 mg of the heart specific one they sell.

When my Mom was told that she had to have her carotid artery operated on as it was at least 80% blocked - but I found out that the surgery was as dangerous as the condition for her - I cut out ALL bad oils which included all vegetables oils of any kind and gave her the fish oils. A year later her scan showed no blockage at all. Raw meat just provides more good fats for the brain and the arteries - cutting those out would not solve her problem and would just take away a good food that supports her.

Don't let the doctors confuse you or scare you or your Mom. 60 is still young when there is health.

If you talk to us about your mother's son's problems maybe we might be able to come up with some solutions for that too. I understand the stress of caretaking through experience - it's beyond almost any other stress. How long has that been going on? I understand that he is trying to commit suicide through food, but that is a symptom of a imbalanced mind. If we could figure out together the one most likely thing to start to make a change for him, perhaps we might be able to get him to cooperate with diet changes. Do you feel comfortable talking about your mother's son? I feel for you mother with this deeply. I'd like to try and help.

[goodsamaritan]

Is this the correct product website for Minami?

http://www.minami-nutrition.com

[Dorothy]

That looks like the stuff GS.

[raw]

Thank u all for helping me out. Thank u to Dorothy.
"If you talk to us about your mother's son's problems maybe we might be able to come up with some solutions for that too. I understand the stress of caretaking through experience - it's beyond almost any other stress. How long has that been going on? I understand that he is trying to commit suicide through food, but that is a symptom of a imbalanced mind. If we could figure out together the one most likely thing to start to make a change for him, perhaps we might be able to get him to cooperate with diet changes. Do you feel comfortable talking about your mother's son? I feel for you mother with this deeply. I'd like to try and help. "

I am just feeling so better. I m speechless. Many times before I've tried to write about my brother in this forum, but my piculiar life makes me so tired that I never have that energy to do that. Many others I've met in my personal life, ask me to get help from senators, doctor OZ or Oprah...etc. My life is like constant nightmare dealing with my brother. Matter of fact, my parents has lost everything to look for his treatment. So, I m the only one for him struggling to support him . His  social security and food stamp is not enough to keep him normal. Beside food, we have to come up with the money to buy his expensive toys  and other things that I just can't say enough. Moreover, he married last year and half and recently gets a baby just looks like him (they are living in Asia), my brother dosen't even know them. So I m supporting his poor wife and child there too. It would be nice to bring them in USA  .
My life is troubles after troubles, but only RPD is keeping me alive. I also get a very supportive husband and my two children. Everything is almost perfect, but my brother... I can't think to  put him in institution at this point (I just can't do that). My mom always tells me that she accepts his illness and she puts him in God's hand. She thinks that I am the one who still can't accept his illness. That's right, I can't. I know well that raw paleo will recovers him. I  believe that from my heart. I definitely write a new topic after my brother. I need HELP desperately.
I will show my mom this article (if she ever have anytime, 'cause she never has any personal time). I believe in health and I believe in God. God gives us that miraculous healing power. We just need to be more educated to catch that healing power.
Another thing I've discovered recently that my mom is very depressed. Each time my brother hospitalized, my mom stops eating high meats and other good things and she becomes very ill after that. Please, come back to this topic sometimes in this week when I am planning to put her blood report on this post. She will be calling her doctor's office to get a copy. I will listen to Dorothy to get that oil (I will try to buy it). Thank u again to all my paleo friends,.

[raw]

I also think that Minami is good for my brother. Trust me I have tried everything and almost every single way to feed my brother, but he is junkholic . Even I have tried him to send him in India just to hire 2/3 muscle men to feed him forcefully with a nurse> Nasal feeding... That didn't work , because of lack of money. It's like if I had unlimited supply of money, I could do that. I also need patient. Now I have my own family. For how long I will be doing that for him ?