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Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« on: October 30, 2012, 10:12:09 am »
I have some strong concerns regarding a recent surge of Chemical Iodine experimentors in our forum.

As usual, it's in our good nature to wish you to do well and get good results.

I'm just one who has had my scare of chemical experiments, I'm even wary of herbs... so I like food as safest.

So let's stick to the topic of IODINE in this thread shall we?

Lugol's IODINE is a chemical preparation.

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From the forum of my teacher Barefoot Herbalist MH:

"Lugol's is a chemical or as Dr. John R. Christopher would say; A MIRROR of the Real Thing. The human body ONLY desires the REAL THING when there is a choice."

Thread here:

http://curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=1064384

of course this discussion got MH into making his own tree iodine

http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=66

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 10:13:11 am »
A sample of the Iodine book, by MH

I have not written a booklet form the amish since the original 108 page booklet. I suspect the natural Iodine to be a classic for them, ONLY if they understand it first, so in doing a study on Iodine, it is written with the Amish in mind.

This morning I wrote the introductory leading up to Iodine and anyone reading this forum, will see, it is the same old song and dance. Its all about diet and when we can't control our diet, we must supplement.

So anyone buying a supplement must be educated or the odds are, they will be ripped off, because most, if not all commercial sources are not healthy choices.

So hopefully this will help the amish out and also be good enough to use in the school members page.

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Iodine

Iodine has been an issue in North America since the white man moved in. Our history shows everyone living in land and not consuming ocean products in their diets may suffer from Iodine Deficiency. The World Health Organization put out a two page documentary in the U.S. A. Today News Paper that the problem with America is that our children are lacking Iodine.

The article went on to explain that the mother to be must have enough Iodine and the child from conception up to age five must have enough Iodine or the math skills and IQ will be subnormal. They went on to explain that this is the number one reason ill health for American people today. This is not new news, the Iodine Issue was examined over 100 years ago and a French Doctor created an Iodine Formula. This worked well for many years and then scientist got the idea of adding Iodine to our white salt and the doctor’s formula eventually became obsolete.

Native Indians were known to travel to the coastal regions and gather ocean plants and dry them. They would then burn these plants and collect the ashes and take these back inland, knowing that something in the ocean plants improved their health.

I suggest most of the available Iodine information available today, is only partially correct. Most of the information is medical science based on chemical formulas called Iodine. These chemicals are not natural and are toxic. The Iodine in ocean plants? I suggest they only have Iodine because the ocean water has Iodine in it and the plants do not make the Iodine. This is a very small trace of Iodine and the plants filter the pollutants from the water. I suggest way less than .001% of the ocean plants is Iodine. These plants may turn the Iodine into a plant based Iodine, or they may just have Iodine, because they are bathed in it and the iodine may be on the outside of the plant and not something the plant has turned into “organic”.

Organic is a simple name for Plant Based. In-organic has minerals too large for human assimilation, these rock based minerals common in water and ground up rock or colloidal concoctions. Semi-organic minerals are rock minerals that have not been properly assimilated by plants, because the plant is not a natural plant found in Nature; these would be vegetables. Vegetables grow too quickly and are so man manipulated that the minerals are only partially turned into organic plant minerals and these minerals easily trick the human body and get into the blood stream, but then are too large to pass through the kidneys and end up being trapped in the arteries causing hardening of the arteries. Many of the water soluble rock based minerals also get into a damaged person’s blood and stick to the arteries and cause old age by rapid loss of circulation.

All synthetic vitamins are made from inorganic metals or semi-organic and as well, man made metals made extremely small so they can enter the blood. These all cause loss of circulation as these metals clog the arteries and are the leading cause for varicose veins.

I strongly suggest all vitamins are toxic, all colloidal formulas are very toxic, every form of supplement made with our being whole plants, can cause loss of circulation in the long run leading to premature death. If your supplement did not come from the tree or bush and in its whole state and not highly manufactured, then it is toxic to our circulation. Circulation is “KING”.

I do not know of a recorded source; explaining the scientific terms of “Organic” Plant Based Iodine. Everything studied uses the scientific synthetic Iodine. Money is not spent on natural supplements unless somehow, someone with money; can use the documents to make more money. For this reason, I don’t find anything written about the scientific values of using natural Iodine found in Nature.

I personally believe as the Bible states, that our foods/medicines are provided by the tree. I suggest the bush is in the tree family enough, because many bushes and vines can live a very long time with deep roots. I believe this 100% because the tree takes the minerals in the ground and takes a full year before these minerals enter the fruit. Then this fruit is ripened in the sunshine. These sweet fruits have the proper mineral proportions to make them so humans can assimilate them, thus making tree/bush/vine fruits “true” human foods; meaning they are our only source for “organic” foods.

So in simple terms, if it doesn’t come from the tree/bush/vine, then it is not the “perfect” food for humans. The fruits from the tree/bush/vine also make the perfect medicines, their bark, leaves, roots, etc. are often used in herbal medicines. Wild Herbs/Weeds, Grasses, are also medicines because they often can be very old, with deep roots similar to the tree. Some herbs can be over 100 years old, such as the Ginseng plant can reach if left alone in Nature. Herbs are natural meaning organic. They are more medicines, because the best ones often enable us to purge our bad foods that have turned to accumulated mucus an attracted parasites and making gas. The best herbs are always those that kill parasites and aid the elimination organs.

All true human foods are organic. These foods come from the tree/bush/vine as stated in the Bible. These are our sweet fruits. Uncorrupted healthy children, love fresh picked sweet fruits. Fruits are man’s only true food. Man can consume the grasses when fruits are not in season and the grasses are very old and have the medicine effect as well. Many animals such as dogs and cats will seek eating grasses when sick, many authors have suggested the same for restoration of health to humans.

All bad foods are non sweet fruits. That is just a fact of life that each person has to take issue up with God; if they don’t agree.

Why are we mineral deficient?
Our air has all the minerals we need, including Iodine and all in the proper proportions. A truly healthy human with fully exposed skin to the sunshine, wind, cool nights and skin being subjected to all substances it comes in contacts with; has skin that makes all the true vitamins it needs and makes these inhaled minerals “organic” not unlike the tree does to minerals it absorbs through its roots.

Water?
Our air is loaded with water. Air with out moisture will kill all living creatures. Our air has the proper proportions of water/minerals to sustain life.

Why do we eat and drink?
In the beginning all creation was perfect. With every rotation of the earth and every shooting start and burst of energy from our sun, the earth absorbs more and more radiation. Plants show the results of this added radiation with each new growth come spring, there for scientist study plants every year in an effort to foresee the future for mankind. Plants must adapt or die and so must humans.

As the earth cycle continues, all creation adapts. New species are not formed. All plants, mammals, reptiles, etc., etc. all adapt to the added radiation. So it can be said, that in the beginning radiation was balanced and all created things had long happy lives reaching long age and size.

As time has gone on, creatures adapted to each generation. This has lead to all creatures consuming more and more foods in an effort to counter balance the added radiation from the sun and universe. Just as the moon and planets alter the weather on earth, so are all life on earth is altered.

With every bite of food and water, minerals enter our body and this starts the problem of “balance”. We all know, when something is not balances, it will not function properly. Using the example of hormones, we all know this tiny substance can make a human happy and joyful or when out of balance it can wreck a person’s life. The human body must maintain balance to have health.

The doctors use synthetic drugs (metals/chemicals) to “force” the body to respond and their results are always temporary and eventually lead to more and more problems. Their method of forcing the body one way and another must be carefully done, because one way or the other too much can cause death and to the extreme, cause death in minutes. This is how they can use such toxic substances to force the body towards another direction and save the dieing person’s life, temporarily. What they fail to do, is reach a perfect balance. This is why they often change drugs. Often after an operation a person will be put on a drug and not do well as all and the doctor will try different drugs until hopefully some state of balance can be reached.

True foods from the tree/vine/bush are loaded with water/minerals/sugars. There are over 200 types of plant sugars and we do well on all of them and when we eat the whole fruit, we have the proper proportions of water / minerals / chemicals to maintain proper balance. These natural fruits well chewed with mixed saliva is always alkaline in the mouth before swallowing and need no digestion in the stomach and no acid production.

All non-human foods and even worse, when mixed with other non-like foods all require digestion and stomach acids. These foods over work the organs of elimination and the blood stream must counter the acids created by the stomach by taking calcium out of the blood, all of which creates an imbalance and premature death or simple put, old age. Old age is a created disease if we die before 120 years of age. Caused by acid forming foods resulting in constipation all of which attracts a multitude of parasites.
So for these reasons, people eat and then they eat to counter what they ate at the last meal and then they snack to counter the way they felt from eating the last meal. Then they must drink and drink to keep the sludge moving.

Thus the wrong diet, creates a roller coaster effect that never ends from the time mother takes us milk and feeds us non-sweet, raw fruits. Add to this harmful habits and the end results are illnesses and premature death; as well as having less than healthy babies.

Supplements?
All supplements are supplements to the wrong diet. So if we are not eating a diet of raw fruits from the tree/vine/bush, then the day will come that we must supplement this wrong diet. Add to this the chemicals we breathe and absorb from working with non-natural substances and these enter our blood and must be counter balanced as well.

No matter how we look at it, health is all about balance.

This is why we pick and choose from the hundred plus known essential minerals. We try to maintain a balance. We all know this is a failure, because people are dieing younger and younger as more and more chemicals enter our bodies from pollution and wrong foods/drinks. We are loosing the battle of maintaining balance. The parents are not teaching proper eating habits and children grow up toxic and then they must work with even more toxic substances.

All supplements must be organic plant based or they will cause an accumulation effect which equals loss of circulation. If your supplement is not a plant or is mixed with non plant substances call vitamins, I strongly suggest they all be pitched in the trash where they belong. Just because a bottle says I is vitamin c or vitamin B, A, E, etc. does not mean it is true, these manufactures use synthetic waste products and none of their products can ever contain a vitamin, because a real vitamin is the life of a fruit. This life starts to leave the second you pick the fruit and within 7 minutes the vitamins have all left but the seed. The seed is a true vitamin if it is natural and not been dried in the sun or otherwise killed, because vitamin = life.

Just as our body starts to die the second our spirit leaves, so does the fruit start to die the second it is picked. Because the fruit has the proper sugar content and minerals all balanced, it will dry and still provide organic minerals and the seed will sprout new life when planted properly. So when you see any bottle say it has vitamins in it, “Don’t Buy It”!

The body adapts, but at what cost to health?
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 10:17:28 am »
I wish you all well with your iodine experiments.  Just hoping there are more natural sources, better sources than Lugol's iodine or any chemical iodine.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 11:56:51 am »
GS, is your teacher a fruitarian? This is what I read in the passage you posted:

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I personally believe as the Bible states, that our foods/medicines are provided by the tree. I suggest the bush is in the tree family enough, because many bushes and vines can live a very long time with deep roots. I believe this 100% because the tree takes the minerals in the ground and takes a full year before these minerals enter the fruit. Then this fruit is ripened in the sunshine. These sweet fruits have the proper mineral proportions to make them so humans can assimilate them, thus making tree/bush/vine fruits “true” human foods; meaning they are our only source for “organic” foods.
So in simple terms, if it doesn’t come from the tree/bush/vine, then it is not the “perfect” food for humans...
All bad foods are non sweet fruits. That is just a fact of life that each person has to take issue up with God; if they don’t agree.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 12:05:41 pm »
Yes he leans toward fruitarianism.
But is not in the strict sense like durian rider.
He has 4 kids and a wife so he's got a lot of reality in him.

He makes great effective herbal formula's though. MH stands for Master Herbalist, a classmate of Dr. Schulz.

They both studied under the great herbalist Dr. Christopher.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 10:15:22 am »
Hm, very interesting!

I recently began using Iodine supplements in pill form, but infrequently. Its ingredients say its directly from kelp, but does this mean it is still too processed a form to do me much good, at least compared to the real thing? I'm already convinced I need to start eating seaweed often.

The age of the vegetation doing the growing of the fruit hadn't occurred to me, especially when compared to the tiny life cycle of a typically grown vegetable. I gotta say, it makes a lot of sense, and is motivating me to try and seek out longer lived food and consume that more often. I've been planning to buy (which I shall very soon) a book on wild edible plants of my region so I can go around munching up some of the really good fresh stuff.

Does this mean I can eat some plain old grass in a forest and it'll have healing properties from the deep and healthy under-forest root system? From what I've heard, all the vegetation can share nutrients through this network quite easily. Would it be possible the grass then also has the medicinal properties, to a small extent, of whatever might be around it?

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 10:18:59 am »
Does this mean I can eat some plain old grass in a forest and it'll have healing properties from the deep and healthy under-forest root system? From what I've heard, all the vegetation can share nutrients through this network quite easily. Would it be possible the grass then also has the medicinal properties, to a small extent, of whatever might be around it?

I'm an urban guy, born and raised in a concrete jungle so I have no idea.

You probably need to pair up with a local herbalist or survivalist or forest ranger type person who knows your forest and help you identify which is which.

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 10:58:25 am »
Hm, very interesting!

I recently began using Iodine supplements in pill form, but infrequently. Its ingredients say its directly from kelp, but does this mean it is still too processed a form to do me much good, at least compared to the real thing? I'm already convinced I need to start eating seaweed often.

The age of the vegetation doing the growing of the fruit hadn't occurred to me, especially when compared to the tiny life cycle of a typically grown vegetable. I gotta say, it makes a lot of sense, and is motivating me to try and seek out longer lived food and consume that more often. I've been planning to buy (which I shall very soon) a book on wild edible plants of my region so I can go around munching up some of the really good fresh stuff.

Does this mean I can eat some plain old grass in a forest and it'll have healing properties from the deep and healthy under-forest root system? From what I've heard, all the vegetation can share nutrients through this network quite easily. Would it be possible the grass then also has the medicinal properties, to a small extent, of whatever might be around it?

Hi BI
I am a regular longterm user of raw seaweeds and for what its worth, I can vouch for their nutritional effectiveness. But, one should proceed slowly for 2 main reasons, firstly, until the necessary seaweed digesting enzymes are built up they can be difficult to readily digest. Secondly, they have a very cooling nature on the body (perhaps because of the iodine effect on hormonal systems and because they come from a cool, watery environment) and so can make the body distinctly cool, as well as other symptoms such as agitation, depending on ones physiology at the time.
But if one takes it slowly, and starts with lighter greener versions rather than the heavier more iodine rich kelps, one can slowly ease into making seaweeds a regular part of the diet.

As to grasses and other plant material in the forests, etc, yes, all sorts of plants have unique medicinal and spiritual qualities.
If you can find an experienced forager in your region, spend as much time with them as you possibly can and a whole new world will open up before you

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 12:27:03 pm »
I would like to add something to your discussion GS. Here in the US - a while back - forget if it was the 40's or 50's - there was so much iodine deficiency and so my hypothyroidism as well as the symptoms you mentioned above - that there was a mandate to put iodine into the NaCl - otherwise known as table salt. The interesting thing is that although at first symptoms went away over time the symptoms got WORSE and hypothyroidism since has escalated because apparently having TOO MUCH iodine is just as bad or worse than having too little. Our entire population got dosed with massive amounts of iodine and then suffered the effects of iodine poisoning. The problem is after they mandated the supplementation they wouldn't admit that they made the problem worse so did not pull back the mandates.

I apologize that I can't give you a source. I read this too long ago probably in one of those ancient things called a book made out of paper.  ;)

My guess is that if someone is severely deficient in iodine that supplementation would be good at least for the short run much like supplementing with vitamin d if you don't go out in the sun is better than not having the vitamin d - but one has to be extremely careful to not go out of balance in the opposite direction - just like it's quite easy to imbalance magnesium or get too much vitamin d when trying to use pills instead of food and sun to get those elements.

Supplementation can be a life-saver if one can't live a fully healthy lifestyle like it said in what you quoted about being out in the sun with full skin exposure, in the heat and cold etc. etc. When trying to find compromises to not living a fully paleo lifestyle or coming from extreme deficiencies sometimes supplementation is the best choice. It's just makes good sense to keep in mind that it is a compromise and that there can be complications, possible overdose situations and remember that just because it works at the beginning one still has to be vigilant to any possible complications.

Lex is a great example of someone who supplementation makes sense for. He loves his diet, it works for him in terms of cost, preparation and for healing many of his ills. He hates seafood and isn't going to eat it. I'm very glad that he is adding a supplement to see how it effects his prostate. Sometimes we have to make decisions based upon bigger choices in terms of lifestyle, goals and desires. For most people with a broader diet, I bet seaweed and seafood would be a better choice. I for one LOVE seafood and seaweeds - so I would choose those over a supplement any day - but I can appreciate that others might not.

Oh - and another thing I learned forever ago but cannot verify. It was probably a million years ago that I was told that kelp actually contains arsenic so it is important to eat other forms of seaweed with it because the other seaweeds neutralize the arsenic. Can't tell you where that one came from - but I've always eaten many kinds of seaweeds together because of that.

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 12:29:53 pm »
Wattlebird - that was a great post on the nature of seaweeds and proceeding slowly.

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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 03:46:34 pm »
Iodine/seaweed has a cooling effect? Maybe I should try some as I still sweat a bit too much in summer!
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 04:02:15 pm »
Iodine/seaweed has a cooling effect? Maybe I should try some as I still sweat a bit too much in summer!

Hi TD
yes, for heated constitutions seaweeds have a cooling effect.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2014, 05:00:08 am »
Not trying to resurrect an old thread. But here's a good talk from Dr. Brownstein on iodine. Iodine Why You Need It 1
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2014, 11:54:19 pm »
And I would like to report I did my own experiments with Lugol's Iodine just recently (even though I started this thread).

I stopped it after some 2 months to experiment on something else.

Hey, we have to keep on experimenting.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2014, 12:37:43 am »
And I would like to report I did my own experiments with Lugol's Iodine just recently (even though I started this thread).

I stopped it after some 2 months to experiment on something else.

Hey, we have to keep on experimenting.

How did it go? What did you notice, why did you stop, etc?
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2014, 12:57:49 am »
I have 2 on going cancer cases I'm helping out.  I just wanted to know if there were any violent reactions to my system at up to 6 to 8 drops a day of the iodine before I gave it to them.

Nothing bad happened to me.  So I gave them a small bottle each for them to try out.
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Re: Concern for those doing Chemical Iodine Experiments
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 01:51:08 am »
Good to see this GS. I have qualms about Lugol's too. I don't think there's a death's head on many chemical iodine bottles for no reason. I know some disagree. I'm not looking to debate, just expressing caution.
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