Iguana, while I agree with your efforts to consume only 'normal' molecules for your health, I have some reservations about aspects of the instincto theory and your advice to raw paleos not to fertilize the soil with their own excrement...
Lets start with whether the creation of heated molecules is actually abnormal in nature - there are many geothermal features on the planet that naturally cook living matter, such as underwater hydro-thermal vents, volcanoes, geysers, boiling mud etc. It is believed that billions of years ago that inside the earth was hotter than now and that there were very many more of these features. Next we have lightning strikes and forest fires, which naturally cook animal and plant matter. I believe that over billions of years microbes will have evolved that can digest these heated molecules and therefore decontaminate them.
Yes, of course the abnormal molecules produced by heat are finally bio-degraded. The question I found no answer is “how long does it take?” I guess it depend. We can have a clue by comparing the taste of “organic”plant foods grown on excrement of animals (or/and of humans) eating cooked junk with the taste of the same foodstuff grown on chemical fertilizers, and also with the same ones grown with manure of raw fed animals. And the results are often not what you would expect, the first ones having the worst taste. Some even say they feel bad when eating
“organic” while they feel much better with food grown with chemical fertilizers. It’s supposed because many
“organic" farmers use a lot of heating techniques.
Yes again, there have always been underwater hydro-thermal vents, volcanoes, geysers, boiling mud, lightning strikes and forest fires. Sometimes a foodstuff may also have been heated over 40°C on a rock fully exposed in the sun. But this doesn’t happen everyday and everywhere. Nevertheless, animals and our pre-fire ancestors have unavoidably eaten a heated food now and then and that’s precisely why we have detoxination programs ready to be used. These are adapted to small occasional amounts, but they tend to runaway out of control with the large incessant amounts brought by cooked standard nutrition.
Seafood in Europe would have been exposed to the abnormal molecules from the sewage of hundreds of millions of people eating mostly cooked foods - so if abnormal molecules are so long lived in the environment as you propose it seems that there will be a lot of these molecules in seafood.
I don’t think most are very long lived, they must be slowly bio-degrading but we have no data about it, only guesses. Seas and Oceans are so huge that the dilution is overwhelming, but it’s not the case of rivers and lakes and that’s why we don’t eat fish from soft waters. They have a lot of parasites. Anyway, it’s clear that there’s no way to totally avoid pollution, either from almost non degradable chemicals and plastics or certainly more degradable organic molecules produced by heat.
The Chinese have been fertilizing their gardens with their cooked food excrement for thousands of years and we cannot see evidence that this has caused them harm, so therefore a raw foodists excrement should be thousands of times better for the soil due to the low levels of abnormal molecules and the high levels of beneficial bacteria.
They have also been eating cooked food for thousands of years. Are there any evidence that this has caused them harm? If eating cooked food, then eating such food grown with their own excrement is not very much more of a problem — except from parasites if a part is eaten raw.
Another anomaly in your advice is highlighted by my hens - they are fed a diet with a significant quantity of cooked food scraps from my family left overs. The advice from other RPD is for me to eat these eggs, but from your point of view their eggs will have large quantities of 'abnormal' molecules, which will be much higher than the levels of abnormal molecules found in my own excrement while on a raw paleo diet.
Much higher? Why? No, I don’t see it that way.
So therefore I reject your advice to normal raw paleo diet practitioners to not use their own excrement as a garden fertilizer.
You’re absolutely free to reject my advice since you experiment at your own risk!
http://www.reocities.com/HotSprings/7627/ggraw_eat4.html
In fact, I was telling you about those cats because they enabled Pottenger and his teammates to take note of something, quite by chance, that directly pertains to our concern_that is, once everything was finished, the grounds where the animals had lived were turned into a market garden to supply food for the dining hall. But, there were complaints. From the spots where the soil had got manure from droppings of cats that had eaten cooked food, the peas had an aftertaste of cat ordure, whereas, in the other parts of the garden, they tasted perfectly good.
That can be accounted for if one is prepared to admit that some molecules adulterated from cooked meat had been passed on into the excrement of those animals without having been broken down properly, then from the earth they were taken up by the plants without having been broken down any further.
Some other texts about it found by Google, for further info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_soil#Sanitation_issues
The use of human feces as fertilizer is a risky practice as it may contain disease-causing pathogens. Nevertheless, in developing nations it is widespread. Common parasitic worm infections, such as ascariasis, in these countries are linked to night soil, since their eggs are in feces. There have also been cases of disease-carrying tomatoes, lettuce, and other vegetables being imported from developing nations into developed nations.[citation needed]
Human waste may be attractive as fertilizer because of the high demand for fertilizer and the relative availability of the material to create night soil. In areas where native soil is of poor quality, the local population may weigh the risk of using night soil.
The safe reduction of human waste into compost is possible. Many municipalities create compost from the sewage system biosolids, but then recommend that it only be used on flower beds, not vegetable gardens. Some claims have been made that this is dangerous or inappropriate without the expensive removal of heavy metals.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9463654
The use of human faeces for fertilizer is associated with increased intensity of hookworm infection in Vietnamese women.
Humphries DL, Stephenson LS, Pearce EJ, The PH, Dan HT, Khanh LT.
Division of Nutritional Sciences, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853, USA.
Abstract
To investigate different factors associated with hookworm infections we conducted 2 studies in a commune in northern Viet Nam. The first was part of a larger study on anaemia and covered 213 women (15-49 years of age) and their 92 children (6 months to 5 years of age) in one commune; 90% of the families reported using human faeces for fertilizer. Women who reported using fresh human faeces as fertilizer had significantly higher hookworm egg counts than women who either used treated human faeces or who did not use human faeces as fertilizer. The second study examined how human faeces were used for fertilizer in 30 selected families. Women participated in preparation and application of human faeces to crops in 81% of the families using human faeces for fertilizer. Two methods of preparing the faeces were described: 48% of the families mixed the faeces with ash before applying them to the field; 18% mixed the faeces with water; 33% used both methods.
In most cases, the excrement is used on cereal or grain crops, which are eventually cooked, minimizing the risk of transmitting water-borne pathogens and diseases, IWMI's Drechsel noted.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080821-human-waste.html
Human Waste Used by 200 Million Farmers, Study Says