Fatigue

[PaleoPhil]

I dont have access to organs or fat, at least right now, Im searching. Yes though, those symptoms are exactly what Im going through. What should I do if I cant get fat?

What I do when not eating much fat is eat the carby Paleo foods that my body handles best. Some time ago when I discovered that I was very sensitive to even "Paleo" carbs, I first eliminated everything except meat and fat because I didn't react negatively to them, and then I eventually started adding back in plant and carby foods one by one, to see which I could handle OK. I also started eating fermented foods, to see if they would improve my carb tolerance. I found that I could handle fermented forms of carb-containing foods, like fermented raw honey, better than unfermented. I suspect that it's because of a long-time gut microbiota imbalance (probably since birth, and aggravated by past rounds of various antibiotics that my physicians prescribed), in addition to fermented foods being easier to digest than their unfermented counterparts. A healthy, balanced gut microbiome seems to be especially important for carby foods, especially starchy ones.

[eveheart]

@ alive - I do not use a calculator when it comes to food. Because it is my intention to eat a moderate amount of fat, I figure that a 100 g serving of meat or fish has about 20 g protein, so I have three servings per day. The rest of my intake is "to appetite."

I got the 0.8 g of protein per kg of ideal weight from various low carb books.

@ Poncho - I deliberately buy extra fat, just as one would deliberately buy other foods that one wants to eat. Fat stores forever - I keep mine in the fridge - so you can buy a bunch of it wherever you find it.

Also, I can't remember where I mentioned this, but low-carb also requires a moderate salt intake. I eat easy-to-digest fermented vegetables in small amounts for most of my salt intake.

If you are going to pursue low-carb, I strongly suggest reading one of the fine books on the topic, if you are so inclined.

[goodsamaritan]

How many kids did you give birth to?  When was the last child born?
Could be a post partum depression thing from malnourishment.
Or parasites.
Or metal pollution, mercury, lead, etc.

[Poncho]

Woah.

Okay, I am trying to get my hands on fat, I do not wish to go low cal. I will definitely try fermenting things That would make a lot of sense for me actually, I didnt think of that haha.

Me, how many kids did I have?
Im 19
Not much use sending me into a deep panic telling me I might have parasites etc, without telling me how to figure that out. And what to do about it, if I do figure out that Im harbouring unwanted critters.

[goodsamaritan]

Parasites are part of life.

Sometimes they cause problems and sometimes they do not.

I have used both: www.humaworm.com
and www.oldfashionedspices.com (dewormer)
for myself and my children.

No need to panic.

[Adora]

Even if you do have yeast or parasites I would wait a month or so before addressing them and take it one step at a time. Drink all of the water you want. I was shockingly thirsty my first month. Sorry about the peeing all night thing, but that should pass after a month. You can't get animal fat - stinks, but you have options. To start get raw olive oil, free range eggs, raw coconut butter and if you can't get raw butter now get grass fed pasutrized butter until you find a good source of raw animal fat. Eat all of these other fats, as much as you can consume, with small amounts of protein like eve suggested. I think salt helped me greatly and raw scallops in warm herbed salted butter is great. Anything dipped in herbed salted butter is great. Dip your meat into egg yolks, and mix little chunks of coconut oil into your butter dippers, or sauces. Put olive oil on everything else, vinegar is nice with it to make a marinade. That should cover you for fat until you find it local or order online.
      This diet hasn't made me sick yet and I'm a 41yr/o with diabetes. So, you should be safe with high quality foods eaten raw, but fear is natural, so accepting and talking about it is great. I love that your 19 : ). You sound young, wild, and brave.
      Have you meditated on your depression? Healing to Wholeness technique has helped me. Depression is like being stuck in a deep dark well, if there are others around they can't really reach you. You can't feel much through the numbness, and disconnect, and your head can't think clearly while numb and detached. With all the detachment it's amazing how much pain can still exist. Volunteering/life purpose stuff is a rewarding channel. It gives passion to the dispassionate, but are you dispassionate or depressed? Maybe you don't know? Ha that's life

[Poncho]

Okay, thanks for the links. Im glad that I wouldnt need to go to the doctor. I really hate doing that.

Haha I used to be wild, now you might say reckless. Im just so sick of the endless hunt for health. Id try anything that actually made sense, like this does. Im so happy to be shown how to get the good fat without actually having to get animals fats. Ill be doing that tomorrow. My depression is confusing haha. And it comes from so many real things. I think it would have no problem taking down the strongest people. Even if I had no real problems going on, my mind would have no problem fabricating them all for me. Thats the brain injury part.

So without perfect health and a clear head, I stand absolutely no chance of overcoming it, thats why Im here.

[van]

You might like Coconut Oil.  A mixed bag for some people here.  I say it's because they haven't tried truly raw coconut oil yet.  And of course, some may not actually like it.  But I get mine from a company in Canada.  It's called First Quality Organics.  You want Virgin oil de Coco Creme.  Cold centrifuged.  Much better than Wilderness family's product.  Their number is 1-877-870-1018.   I eat maybe three or four tablespoons a day.  It's quite tasty.  It's a good adjunct to animal fats, and can be substituted for some days.  And then I crave animal fat.  In a hardened state it can be grated like cheese on top of meat.  I have read other's suggestions here.  I'm glad you're getting warnings on eating too much protein.  It will cause problems.  Most of your calories should come from fat, if low carb, and meat is secondary.  You might also try avocados, Brazil nuts (this years crop is just in, so they can be fresh),  and fresh coconuts also shredded very finely eaten with meat.  It adds some bulk/fibre and taste to meat.   If you have any questions, feel free to ask away.     And it does take a while to transition your body to burning fat for fuel rather than sugar.  I was on the couch for the first week or so, but I was determined and now seven years later,  it only feels Right. 

[Poncho]

Ill try all of that Its sad that meat on its own isnt enough though

[jessica]

it's because meat isn't a "whole food" you gotta realize the whole animal is a whole food, tongue, tendons, marrow, not just lean muscle meats

[Poncho]

That does make sense haha

[Suiren]

Hi Poncho!

Just a few things that come to my mind:

- Source of fat could be raw butter. It is my main source of fat. At times I ate as much as 81% fat for weight gain.
- The raw butter bettered my fatigue fast.
- I have been feeling more rested in the morning and sleeping better since raw butter.
- I transitioned slowly and did not feel too bad, just a bit tired sometimes. The hardest part was getting off of grains. I used to deal with hypoglycemia often.
Maybe try to take things a bit slower. I am not saying eat grains, but maybe try to eat more carbs until you can safely reduce.
- You can find certain rare foods online, we buy on Ebay too.
- Lamb - you can add that to your meats and every supermarket carries it.

It took my problems a few months to better. I'm sure you will improve soon!

[Poncho]

Okay perfect, Ill try to find raw butter. Ive actually never heard of anywhere selling it haha

[William]

Okay perfect, Ill try to find raw butter. Ive actually never heard of anywhere selling it haha

AFAIK there is no source for raw butter in Canada, and importing it is expensive if possible.
However my normal diet is unsalted butter and powdered raw grass-finished beef  - there is so little denatured protein in butter that it makes no problem.
With the iodine protocol to fill in common deficiencies this seems to be as close to a complete diet as anyone has found.
http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodine

[TylerDurden]

Okay perfect, Ill try to find raw butter. Ive actually never heard of anywhere selling it haha

  http://www.realmilk.com/real-milk-finder/other-countries/#can   You might find some of those farmers willing to sell raw butter as well - who knows?

[Poncho]

thanks

[warn81]

I have an intolerance too many foods. My doctor said I  probably had a carb intolerance....He put me on a no carb diet, but I didn't last 3 days. I thought I was dying. Felt light headed like I was going to pass out and felt weak. I'm also underweight. Now I know it's normal.

[Poncho]

Yep I thought I was dying. Im just eating lots of vegetables, berries, and honey now. A little more animal fat too but I still have almost no access to good animal fat. I feel great

[svrn]

The food nazis in Canada are even crazier than the americans. its very hard to find raw dairy up there.

[cherimoya_kid]

Yep I thought I was dying. Im just eating lots of vegetables, berries, and honey now. A little more animal fat too but I still have almost no access to good animal fat. I feel great

Fatty fish can definitely be a good source of animal fats. Can you get raw WILD-caught salmon easily, or other fatty fish?

[Suiren]

Or find a farmer with grass fed animals and ask if they would sell you the suet.
I said it is for my sick underweight dog....
They never sent me the order though, but it might work.

[Poncho]

Yes I can get fatty fish, I have been. Im trying to find a farm haha. Very hard to do here surprisingly

[svrn]

i think its very hard to do anywhere.

[PaleoPhil]

Congrats Poncho! Best wishes for continued improvement. Fat sources I can think of at the moment, some of which have been mentioned, are egg yolks, suet, marrow, tongue, brain, pork belly, fatty cuts of meat, fatty wild fish, coconut, centrifuged coconut oil, avocado, olives, pork belly, lamb belly, beef belly, and raw butter.

[William]

Yes I can get fatty fish, I have been. Im trying to find a farm haha. Very hard to do here surprisingly

Try calling the nearest slaughterhouse(s). Grass-finished animals are distinctive, as there is little or no fat on them, so they would know which farms are selling such.
There is still much fat around the kidneys, even on grass-finished, if you can stand the taste (sawdust and candlewax).