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RP food items that promote bone health?
« on: March 12, 2013, 01:38:06 pm »
And please briefly give the reasons why  a food item is good for bone health.

I think SALMON is good for bone health because each 4 oz. serving provides 264.7% DV of vitamin D.

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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 04:02:21 pm »
Id say high calcium vegetables, salmon (or any animal good that still had the edible bone in it. Also having a healthy environment in the body will prevent bone loss.
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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 05:13:31 pm »
Vitamin K2 foods.  Activator X.
Foods high in magnesium.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2013, 01:47:25 pm »
DaBoss and GS, thanks.

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« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2013, 04:31:35 am »
From my reading, Vitamin K2 is most important -- the weakest link -- in a mineral rich diet. Even though I eat the best eggs I can get, and lots of raw butter and as much kidney and liver as I can stand, I'm still not getting enough vitamin K2. I know because tarter builds up on my lower front teeth. However, if I supplement with 2 drops of Thorne's MK4, my teeth stay perfectly clean and I no longer need to spend money at the dentist for teeth cleaning. If calcification is building up on the teeth where it's not supposed to go, then I'm assuming it's not going into the bones like it should.

Also, don't miss out on these following factors:

SILICA
http://www.healingteethnaturally.com/biological-transmutation-calcium-from-horsetail-silica.html
Silica is what the body uses to turn magnesium and other minerals into the calcium in bones. If our animals sources are deficient, you may need to supplement with the herb, horsetail powder. NOTE: dietary calcium is not necessary for bones. This article is very interesting reading.

COLLAGEN
http://vitaminmonkey.net/blog/241/collagen-supplement-maintains-bone-size-and-shape/#more-241
Collagen is also very important -- eat your gristle! For me, it's hard to eat that part of the animal like my ancestor's probably did, so I supplement with gelatin/hydrolsized collagen. Of course, our body makes collagen from the meat's amino acids, but I've found that the collagen I've been supplementing ( sorry to all the purests out there) has made a distinct difference in my joint flexibility. I'm now a believer. So I assume it would be helping the bone too.

Here's the bulletproof executive demonstrating extreme joint flexibility from, so he claims, eating alot of collagen.
http://youtu.be/j2E5rFhMftQ#t=25m50s

MAGNESIUM & VITAMIN D
http://drcarolyndean.com/2013/03/too-much-vitamin-d/
Caution with vitamin D. Often the often publicized vitamin D deficiency so popular today is really just a symptom of magnesium deficiency. I've read where people who require high amounts of vitamin D supplement can dramatically lower their dosages when they improve their magnesium status. Magnesium is much more important than calcium for many reasons, including activiating the vitamin D used in the body. And -- it's one of those things deficient in our soil, and this deficient in land animals. I wish I ate more seafood, but it is the most expensive thing.

I do supplement with a few things because I cannot get the quality of food that my ancestors ate.

I read ( sorry, can't find link) somewhere from the leading osteoporosis researcher in the world, that ALL the current tests, including bone density tests, are not predictive for individuals. The so-called 'bone density' does not predict fractures, only broad risks applicable to large groups. In other words, some people with the worst bone scans have the strongest bones. What I am learning from all this is that bone strength is the most important thing -- and like some of the springy chicken bones we eat, a resilient, spring-like bone will be hard to break. That strength is not from something brittle and rigid, like calcium, but rather from the collagen matrix and other factors that are strong and bend a little.

In my mind, it comes down to just being really healthy. For instance, cortisol and stress responses will do more damage to one's bones than a poor diet. Such is my contribution. I hope it helps in your search. 
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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2013, 12:50:31 pm »
dogman333, many thanks.

Natto (fermented soybeans; available in Korean supermarkets in the freezer section) provides 1103 mg of K2 per 100 grams. As a comparision, calf liver provides 5mg of K2 per 100 grams. I am starting to eat natto daily. Just a heaping tablespoon is adequate.

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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2013, 08:51:20 pm »
Raw zero carb plus the iodine protocol to fill in the inevitable deficiencies works. Note that the only form of boron (for joint health) that is recommended is tri-boron from twinlakes.
Matt Yanke sells silica that has good reviews. See bottom of this page:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm

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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 10:41:57 am »
Raw zero carb plus the iodine protocol to fill in the inevitable deficiencies works. Note that the only form of boron (for joint health) that is recommended is tri-boron from twinlakes.
Matt Yanke sells silica that has good reviews. See bottom of this page:
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm

May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?

BTW, to those who are disgusted with the stickiness of natto: Natto may be placed into green smoothies.

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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 12:14:43 pm »
May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?

Most if not all things that contain carbohydrates also contain anti-nutrients.  This might be part of the reason that we must supplement with magnesium for bone health.

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BTW, to those who are disgusted with the stickiness of natto: Natto may be placed into green smoothies.

Please note GS's reaction to GMO natto, in his journal.

Known common deficiencies that affect bone health are those of boron and silica.
http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20071105.htm
I don't know of anyone who has ever been tested for deficiencies while on a modern long term raw zero carb diet; I think we can expect that they would be fewer, but not absent  .

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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 01:08:48 pm »
William, the nutrients you mentioned are contained in fruits and vegetables. Personally I would rather eat whole foods than supplement pills. Who knows what other important, bone-building nutrients are contained in whole foods that have not been discovered by scientists?
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 11:40:01 pm »
William, the nutrients you mentioned are contained in fruits and vegetables.

Maybe they still are, depends on the date of analysis, but the anti-nutrients tend to make those nutrients speed through the gut and end up in the toilet.
We should keep in mind that comparative analysis of modern wild African lions and paleoman show that raw wild meat contains everything needed for perfect bones.

 
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Personally I would rather eat whole foods than supplement pills.

Me too! I've tried many whole "foods", and they all made me sick, except for pemmican. Nothing is perfect, but some things work better than others.

 
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Who knows what other important, bone-building nutrients are contained in whole foods that have not been discovered by scientists?

Most so-called scientists are fools and/or perverts.
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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2013, 03:24:33 am »
"Put not your faith in Man." - Jesus Christ

If you believe in the truthfulness of Jesus Christ, then you will consider what is in the first chapter of the Bible:
 
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "

This is what deters me from zero carb diet.

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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2013, 03:51:41 am »
If you believe in the truthfulness of Jesus Christ, then you will consider what is in the first chapter of the Bible:
 
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "

This is what deters me from zero carb diet.

That was written by Man.
You must test for truth; we have done it here, and it failed the test.

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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2013, 07:55:47 pm »
May I ask: why zero carb for bone health?
Ignore william, he's just a cooked-zero-carb fanatic. My own zero-carb experiment nearly destroyed my teeth. The rest of my skeleton would have gone, next, if I'd continued. Not suggesting that this  experience of mine will apply to everyone else, just pointing out that one RZC/CZC  does not work for everyone.
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2013, 10:36:23 pm »
Ignore william, he's just a cooked-zero-carb fanatic. My own zero-carb experiment nearly destroyed my teeth. The rest of my skeleton would have gone, next, if I'd continued. Not suggesting that this  experience of mine will apply to everyone else, just pointing out that one RZC/CZC  does not work for everyone.

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I'm assuming that TD is of the race of Man. I could be wrong about that.

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Re: RP food items that promote bone health?
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 01:44:46 pm »
"Put not your faith in Man" - Jesus Christ


You quoted one passage of the Bible: "Put not your faith in Man"--  apprantly assuming its truthfulness.

That was written by Man.

Then you claim another passage of the Bible is written by Man and thus not truthful.

I feel confused by your double standards.

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« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2013, 09:30:11 pm »

You quoted one passage of the Bible: "Put not your faith in Man"--  apprantly assuming its truthfulness.

Then you claim another passage of the Bible is written by Man and thus not truthful.

I feel confused by your double standards.

"Seek and ye shall find, and the truth shall make you free"  -  Jesus Christ

Of confusion, IMHO. That means do your own thinking with your own God-given brain, which works much better without all that glucose from neolithic carbs.

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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 11:26:25 pm »
Doesn't all this god talk belong in the off topic section
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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2013, 02:09:22 am »
Doesn't all this god talk belong in the off topic section

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "

There are people who, by their actions, actually believe that a God said that. Some of them are moderators here.
Seems properly paleofoody to me.

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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 05:48:59 am »
"Seek and ye shall find, and the truth shall make you free"  -  Jesus Christ

Of confusion, IMHO. That means do your own thinking with your own God-given brain, which works much better without all that glucose from neolithic carbs.

So do you mean: Since you have a God-given brain, you are able to tell which part of God's Word is quotable and which part is false? So you are a god  judging God's Word?  That's a pretty heavy-duty work.

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« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2013, 10:08:03 am »
So do you mean: Since you have a God-given brain, you are able to tell which part of God's Word is quotable and which part is false? So you are a god  judging God's Word?  That's a pretty heavy-duty work.

I mean that Jesus Christ the healer gave directions to healing.
Use them and be well, or not. Your choice.

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« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2013, 10:34:54 am »
I mean that Jesus Christ the healer gave directions to healing.
Use them and be well, or not. Your choice.

Religious discussion is off-topic for this particular sub-forum.

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« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2013, 01:06:45 pm »
William, I was just having fun with your word play.  No offence.

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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2013, 06:50:49 am »
I think a well balanced raw paleo diet in itself has all the elements needed to promote bone health.

Though there may be cases where because of an individuals inability to assimilate nutrients or a past history of chronic deficiency extra minerals may be needed.

I am a big fan of making homemade bone meal.

The real issues with people having poor bone health is not due to a lack of vital nutrients, it is more often a result of consuming the wrong foods that contain components that leach minerals out of the bones in order to metabolize or neutralize.

Proper bacterial balance is also important to ensure optimal assimilation of bone building nutrients. Bacteria produce vitamins, hormones, and enzymes that aid in digestion and utilization of nutrients. High meat... Yum

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Sunbathing will build up vitamin D levels which will strengthen bones.

Weight resistance exercise combine with dietary changes will yield the most dramatic improvements in the skeletal health.
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2013, 01:15:09 pm »
I am a big fan of making homemade bone meal.

The real issues with people having poor bone health is not do to a lack of vital nutrients, it is more often a result of consuming the wrong foods that contain components that leach minerals out of the bones in order to metabolize or neutralize.

Proper bacterial balance is also important to ensure optimal assimilation of bone building nutrients. Bacteria produce vitamins, hormones, and enzymes that aid in digestion and utilization of nutrients. High meat... Yum

When you say homemade bone meal, do you mean simmering bones in soups?

What is the wrong foods you have in mind?

How to reach proper bacterial balance? Are you familiar with Natto which is soybeans fermented with Bacillus subtilis? I just started eating it and I hope it is very beneficial for bone health.

Thanks.

 

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