medical tyranny continues setting new precedents

[svrn]

america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in.

http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/cps-takes-baby-after-parents-seek-second-medical-opinion/

[goodsamaritan]

Is there any bill out there trying to fix this problem?

Children belong to their parents.  Not the state.

[cherimoya_kid]

Wow.  I usually think you conspiracy theorists are idiots (no offense), but this is scary shit.

CPS hasn't got this kind of guts in my area.  Here in the rural South, anybody who tries to take someone's children is likely to get shot.  VERY likely.

In areas without angry/ignorant/violent gun owners, CPS seems to have total control over anyone with children.

[svrn]

Thats not true, cps runs child kidnapping rings in every state with no issues, if anyone ahs aproblem with it theyre dead, its simple as that. nto sure where you heard about the southern redneks not letting their kids be taken but if cps wants them they are getting them every time unless the family is rich, Poor families stand no chance and thats the ones they target.\

These kids are then drugged and raped in the cps dungeons and sold into sex slavery. Lots of these kids are found buried in foreign countries years after being kidnapped.

Nancy schaefer exposed these people and they killed her and her husband for it. Exposing the child sex trafficking rings is really crossing the line for these people and they wont allow anyone to expose this.

Nancy Schaefer on Alex Jones: CPS criminality (Rest In Peace Nancy)

[svrn]

Is there any bill out there trying to fix this problem?

Children belong to their parents.  Not the state.

bills wont fix this problem. Ending is better than mending.

under communism/marxism/socialism the children do belong to the state. Welcome to america.

thats why the destruction of the family unit is happening, so they can destroy peoples family ties and then replace everything people went to family for with the government.

[cherimoya_kid]

Thats not true, cps runs child kidnapping rings in every state with no issues, if anyone ahs aproblem with it theyre dead, its simple as that. nto sure where you heard about the southern redneks not letting their kids be taken but if cps wants them they are getting them every time unless the family is rich, Poor families stand no chance and thats the ones they target.\

dude, I grew up in the foothills of the Appalachians.  I personally know a social worker from New York City who moved to North Carolina.  She changed careers after she worked here in CPS for a little while, because, in her words, "people around here will shoot you if you take their kids." She had no such problem in New York City. Take that for what it's worth.

Granted, CPS abuses their power sometimes, but sometimes kids DO need to be taken away from their parents. Not every situation is as simple as this one appears to be. 

[svrn]

so sometimes kids need to be kidnapped drugged and raped then sold into sex slavery? I wonder what situation thats true in.

I dont believe that people down south wil shoot cps. If they do the police are ready and happy for a fight. Id like to hear about any experiences she has had with people shooting cpsdown south because as far as I know the kidnapping rates are exactly the same there as they are here.

i dont care how bad of a situation a child is living in, 99percent of them will be worse off under cps care. I cant think of anything worse.

cps kids are on an average of 7 psychoactive drugs at any given time, thats bad enough without all the rape and torture thrown in as well.

Listen to what senator schaefer had to say, she knew more about this than you and was killed for it.
She exposes how cps isnt there to protect kids. She exposes how certain types of kids (blonde hair blue eyes and black hair green eyes being the most valuable bounties) have bounties on their heads and there are financial incentives to drug the children.

[cherimoya_kid]

so sometimes kids need to be kidnapped drugged and raped then sold into sex slavery? I wonder what situation thats true in.

Show me even one proven case of this happening on a large scale, from a non-conspiracy-theory ridden news source.

[eveheart]

america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in.

The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.

Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.

I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily  imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.

[svrn]

I really hate to do easy research that people can do themselves but ill take one second to give you jsut one case, you can do the rest of the easy research yourself. And like I said, nancys testimony is a great place to start since she has everything documented.

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/story/18443628/3-year-old-in-cps-care-overprescribed-psychotropic-drugs

funny how once again, the reason she got her child kidnapped is because she went to the hospital. Theres graphic vdeo somewhere showing this childs state of health under cps and it is very disturbing. You can find it yourself if you care enough.

Another CPS worker arrested for raping a child

and theres another of endless cps rape cases.

And can we please stop using meaningless loaded indoctrination terms like conspiracy theorist? Everyone on this planet is a conspiracy theorist. Please tell me what you think happened on 9/11 and I will prove to you in a second that you are a conspiracy theorist.

please do the simple research yourself before making me waste my time again.

DCF-CPS worker pimpin' children!!

and theres another. there is no end to theese stories, I can post hundreds for you.

[cherimoya_kid]

Sure, you can find a few bad CPS workers.  So?  I seriously doubt the rates of pedophilia among CPS workers is any higher than the general population.

[svrn]

The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.

Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.

I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily  imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.

funny ho you dont address the hearth surgery at all. Those doctors jsut want to do whatever they want with the kids no matter what the parents say. Its extremely common for kids to be taken away at hospitals, many of the child kidnapping cases start there because the medical tyranny is complicit with the child kidnapping rings. Its the same as when that guy from the prepper tv show had his guns taken away because he refused heart surgery. Why dont you research that and then tell me theres no medical tyranny. These cases never end and I can pull up hundreds of them easily but I have no time for people who simply want to live in lala land and pretend like everything is okay. If you want to believe that fine, im not going to spend hours convincing anyone. Iv already given enough info if your still in denial after seeing all the videos and articles I posted thats your problem.

heres another mainstream article proving whats going on

http://rense.com/general28/dyn.htm

im done after that one though. its so easy to figure this out that if you didnt after all the info I gave then you can enjoy your safe bubble of denial.

[svrn]

Sure, you can find a few bad CPS workers.  So?  I seriously doubt the rates of pedophilia among CPS workers is any higher than the general population.

its much higher. im not doing any more research for you though. enjoy your false reality if thats what you want to do.

[cherimoya_kid]

The problem with oversimplifications and generalizations is that they create conspiracies out of incidents.

Now, I have had health insurance coverage with both Sutter and Kaiser, and my question is: For a baby that seemed to be fine except for flu symptoms, why did these parents choose the hospital's impersonal emergency room over their baby's personal physician? Another curiosity: Why should a hospital shift nurse know why the baby was being given antibiotics? That would not be in the scope of a nurse's practice. Finally, I wonder what these parents were thinking when they abruptly took their child off a course of antibiotics. Don't they know that interrupting a course of antibiotics breeds antibiotic-resistant bacteria in a patient's body? The time to opt out of antibiotics is before you take them, or "next time" in the case that you are currently taking them, but never in the middle of treatment.

I have worked in both urban and rural settings in a job where I am a mandated reporter for child and elder abuse. (If I hear a reliable report of child or elder abuse in the course of my employment, I am mandated to report it.) In the olden days, when I was growing up, there was no recourse for an abused child or elder. I'm glad that there is someone to call to intervene in cases of reasonably suspected abuse. I think CPS is a good idea. I can easily  imagine that this Sutter hospital called CPS because of the abrupt and unwise discontinuation of antibiotics, not because of a conspiracy to remove children from their parents or a conspiracy against seeking second medical opinions.

Wow. You're sounding a little scary.  Your attitude is par-for-the-course for people in mandatory reporter roles, though.   I don't mean to insult you, eve, but most people in jobs like yours have more power than wisdom, and the results are sometimes awful.

[cherimoya_kid]

its much higher.

I'm prepared to believe it, if you can offer proof.

[svrn]

ok this is definitly the last one. A mainstream article discussing a movie based on a un worker who caught massive scale child sex slaverly rings being run by the un.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/movies/rachel-weisz-in-the-whistleblower-on-sex-trafficking.html?_r=0

heres the website of said wistle blower
http://www.bolkovac.com/

like I said these cases are literally endless and I could spend years showing you them one by one.

[svrn]

I'm prepared to believe it, if you can offer proof.

If you care enough you will do the research yourself.

start with the work of the woman who was killed right before releasing a book proving a national organized child sex trafficking ring is directly tied with cps.

Senator Nancy Schaefer.

I have no time for babies who cant do research on their own.

[svrn]

Its an undeniable fact that cps puts various bounties on diffent types of  kids. Nobody denies this. They have quotas for how many children they need to get.

Isnt that enough for you to understand whats going on?

[svrn]

more definitive proof

banned discovery channel documentary

Conspiracy Of Silence (Banned Discovery Channel Documentary)

[sabertooth]

People who are CPS workers are often the rejects within the bureaucratic world. Many suffer from low intelligence and are forced to settle for a job that no person would want. Some are as deranged and flawed human beings as the people they are in charge of investigating.

A degree in sociology at some community collage can not prepare anyone to be qualified in making the decision to remove a child from its family and hand it over to a government ordained custodian! Yet there are some really abused and neglected children out there who do need to be removed from unsafe conditions.

There are so many angles where the system can go wrong. I was confronted with a false report made by a vegan neighbor who didn't like the fact that I butchered my own food, that brought CPS to my home. The Hispanic woman who showed up was extremely disrespectful, inconsiderate, and in my opinion not worthy to make any decision regarding my children at all. Yet there she was with all the authority of the State behind her. As far as I know nothing I was doing was illegal, and yet the worker was insinuation that somehow the children were in danger because of the bones and animal pelts hanging in the back yard. I was questioned about Vaccines, medical care, butchering of animals, the children's schooling and many other things.

The investigation was dropped, but the experience of being treated like shit by people who lack the intelligence to understand the greatness of the raw Paleo lifestyle and fail to see how actually well off my children are still pisses me off a little.  Especially if you know as I do about the degree of depravity within the area in which I live. Every other house is a haven for drug addicts and child abusers. There are more neglected children in my part of the world than the system could possibly deal with. Its no wonder that the workers become misanthropic and it explains why the best and the brightest avoid that line of work entirely.

Who in their right mind would want to come into my den and say that the state may have to take my children unless I change the way I live.

You might get your head chewed off and handed to you. (metaphorically speaking)

 

[eveheart]

Wow. You're sounding a little scary.  Your attitude is par-for-the-course for people in mandatory reporter roles, though.   I don't mean to insult you, eve, but most people in jobs like yours have more power than wisdom, and the results are sometimes awful.

The three reports that I made in my career of over 40 years were actual cases of abuse or neglect. What if there were no one to tell? and what supposed "power" does that give me? Would you rather everybody turn their back and let the child sort it out?

The abuses in the system are on both sides of the fence (abuse reporters and CPS workers), but I believe that the system is better than nothing at all. When a child has to suffer abuse until adulthood, the results are always awful.

[cherimoya_kid]

Its an undeniable fact that cps puts various bounties on diffent types of  kids. Nobody denies this. They have quotas for how many children they need to get.

Isnt that enough for you to understand whats going on?

yes, I know there are "bounties". That just means that Federal dollars go to the states that adopt out the most kids. Granted, they are probably more likely to take healthy, attractive, Caucasian children than any others, because they are more likely to be adopted.  Calling it a "bounty" is misleading, though.

In reality, most of the families that are having their kids taken are so poor that they are not able to provide well for their children. do you realize that?

[cherimoya_kid]

The three reports that I made in my career of over 40 years were actual cases of abuse or neglect. What if there were no one to tell? and what supposed "power" does that give me? Would you rather everybody turn their back and let the child sort it out?

The abuses in the system are on both sides of the fence (abuse reporters and CPS workers), but I believe that the system is better than nothing at all. When a child has to suffer abuse until adulthood, the results are always awful.

There are plenty of mandatory reporters out there that don't need to be given that kind of power, because they lack good judgment, they are self-serving or vindictive (like the Sutter doctor in the example that Troll posted), and/or they have no idea what destruction they are setting in motion.

Seriously, do you think these parents needed to have their child taken away from them?  If you do, you're kind of scary.

[eveheart]

I'm at a loss to explain what really happened in this particular case. I'm not hearing "due process" at all. I wonder where is the CPS worker who would have investigated the case? In California, reports are not made to the police. So either several people completely ignored protocol, or the report omitted some significant details.

In either case, I am unable to conclude that "america is now completely unsafe to raise your children in." I'll easily concede that messed-up stuff happens in the world, but I don't think that America has a monopoly on governmental dysfunction, nor do these present times have more or less craziness than any other time in history.

[svrn]

yes, I know there are "bounties". That just means that Federal dollars go to the states that adopt out the most kids. Granted, they are probably more likely to take healthy, attractive, Caucasian children than any others, because they are more likely to be adopted.  Calling it a "bounty" is misleading, though.

In reality, most of the families that are having their kids taken are so poor that they are not able to provide well for their children. do you realize that?

ugh, its like all youw ant to do is contradict me when you have no proof. Ill simply post the definition of bounty and that will be the end of that question.

bounty-A reward, inducement, or payment, especially one given by a government for acts deemed beneficial to the state, such as killing predatory animals, growing certain crops, starting certain industries, or enlisting for military service.

and do you not know how to read? The conditions under cps are worse than any poor family (the reason its always poor people is cuz they dont have the money to fight back). These kids under cps care are on an average of 7 psychotropic medications. That alone should tell you enough. Please get a clue about what goes on in these facilities.